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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Blue Since 76 » Fri May 02, 2014 8:24 am

Beefymcfc wrote:I know we need it for the added revenue and to get our face on the world stage but by fuck I hate the whole set-up of it, including the fact that 3rd place drops into a lesser competition and effectively cancel out 7 or 8 months hard graft for those who had to start early.


Couldn't agree more. I'd happily win the PL every season and not qualify for Europe.

I know we need it as a club, but I'm losing interest already with the level of diving and cheating you see first hand from a team like Barca and the, at best, bizarre refereeing decisions you see, even with 5 of them on the pitch.

I'd much rather watch us play Palace away than put up with grown men falling over everytime someone goes near them and everyone pretend it's the pinnacle of football. It's the emperor's new clothes of competitions.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Wonderwall » Fri May 02, 2014 8:34 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:I know we need it for the added revenue and to get our face on the world stage but by fuck I hate the whole set-up of it, including the fact that 3rd place drops into a lesser competition and effectively cancel out 7 or 8 months hard graft for those who had to start early.


Couldn't agree more. I'd happily win the PL every season and not qualify for Europe.

I know we need it as a club, but I'm losing interest already with the level of diving and cheating you see first hand from a team like Barca and the, at best, bizarre refereeing decisions you see, even with 5 of them on the pitch.

I'd much rather watch us play Palace away than put up with grown men falling over everytime someone goes near them and everyone pretend it's the pinnacle of football. It's the emperor's new clothes of competitions.


Couldnt agree more, would be funny if we turned around and told them we didnt want to enter it because its shit and corrupt
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby jimtolmie_tache » Fri May 02, 2014 11:33 am

DoomMerchant wrote:Arsenal are not cock blocking our progress in Europe...we are!


I did say this season was unusual because Dortmund were seeded artificially low, in our pot, and Arsenal got them. But if they get three easy teams for next season, and we get a group like the one from 2012, Arsenal's 'top seeding' will once again be distorting the competition. For example... Arsenal, Schalke, Rubin Kazan, Celtic.... Real Madrid, PSG, City, Roma. Very feasible if we are in pot 3 again.

Seeding is supposed to keep 'the best' teams apart till the later stages, not the favourites of the people organising the competition.

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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby jimtolmie_tache » Fri May 02, 2014 11:42 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:I know we need it as a club, but I'm losing interest already with the level of diving and cheating you see first hand from a team like Barca and the, at best, bizarre refereeing decisions you see, even with 5 of them on the pitch.

I'd much rather watch us play Palace away than put up with grown men falling over everytime someone goes near them and everyone pretend it's the pinnacle of football. It's the emperor's new clothes of competitions.


ITV tell us it's the pinnacle of football, but I sat through about 30 minutes Real Madrid v Bayern Munich the other night and felt absolutely no emotion or excitement at all. Why should I have any kind of emotional connection to these superclubs that seem to play each other every year? I've lost count of the times Real and Bayern have met each other over the last few years... sometimes Real win, sometimes Bayern win, I can't remember which won which year, and at the end of the day, I don't care. ITV tries to make us feel that we are only proper fans if we do care, if we marvel at Ronaldo's skill and Robben's ability to cut inside, blah blah blah.

At the end of the day, they're two massive clubs who've won more than we could ever dream of winning, but unlike the World Cup, where you make your judgements on whether you like a country in general or not, and it's easy to latch on to a team you don't usually support, I find it impossible to get excited or even vaguely interested at yet another trophy for one or the other.

And by the end of the night, I was listening to radio commentary of Wigan's game, because at least there is a connection with Uwe and hoping he does well. Or, at least, better than Mark Hughes.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Wonderwall » Fri May 02, 2014 12:00 pm

jimtolmie_tache wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:Arsenal are not cock blocking our progress in Europe...we are!


I did say this season was unusual because Dortmund were seeded artificially low, in our pot, and Arsenal got them. But if they get three easy teams for next season, and we get a group like the one from 2012, Arsenal's 'top seeding' will once again be distorting the competition. For example... Arsenal, Schalke, Rubin Kazan, Celtic.... Real Madrid, PSG, City, Roma. Very feasible if we are in pot 3 again.

Seeding is supposed to keep 'the best' teams apart till the later stages, not the favourites of the people organising the competition.


We are Definitely in POT 2
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby jimtolmie_tache » Fri May 02, 2014 12:10 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
jimtolmie_tache wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:Arsenal are not cock blocking our progress in Europe...we are!


I did say this season was unusual because Dortmund were seeded artificially low, in our pot, and Arsenal got them. But if they get three easy teams for next season, and we get a group like the one from 2012, Arsenal's 'top seeding' will once again be distorting the competition. For example... Arsenal, Schalke, Rubin Kazan, Celtic.... Real Madrid, PSG, City, Roma. Very feasible if we are in pot 3 again.

Seeding is supposed to keep 'the best' teams apart till the later stages, not the favourites of the people organising the competition.


We are Definitely in POT 2


EDIT: Forget it, you're right, looks like we've squeaked into it.

But we shouldn't have to squeak into it. Arsenal should not be in that first fucking pot, it makes me so angry, I wanna throw the phone down...

So... Arsenal, Schalke, RK, Celtic
Bayern, City, Fuckin Napoli, Athletic Bilbao.

I could accept us getting a tough draw from pot 2, but for Arsenal to avoid all the giants till they get knocked out by one in February....
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby JamieMCFC » Fri May 02, 2014 3:41 pm

jimtolmie_tache wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
jimtolmie_tache wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:Arsenal are not cock blocking our progress in Europe...we are!


I did say this season was unusual because Dortmund were seeded artificially low, in our pot, and Arsenal got them. But if they get three easy teams for next season, and we get a group like the one from 2012, Arsenal's 'top seeding' will once again be distorting the competition. For example... Arsenal, Schalke, Rubin Kazan, Celtic.... Real Madrid, PSG, City, Roma. Very feasible if we are in pot 3 again.

Seeding is supposed to keep 'the best' teams apart till the later stages, not the favourites of the people organising the competition.


We are Definitely in POT 2


EDIT: Forget it, you're right, looks like we've squeaked into it.

But we shouldn't have to squeak into it. Arsenal should not be in that first fucking pot, it makes me so angry, I wanna throw the phone down...

So... Arsenal, Schalke, RK, Celtic
Bayern, City, Fuckin Napoli, Athletic Bilbao.

I could accept us getting a tough draw from pot 2, but for Arsenal to avoid all the giants till they get knocked out by one in February....


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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby dazby » Fri May 02, 2014 8:29 pm

I get the feeling the Arse are due to be rammed in a qualifier next year.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Saul Goodman » Tue May 20, 2014 5:34 pm

We're pot 2 yes?
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby AG7 » Tue May 20, 2014 8:30 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:We're pot 2 yes?


Yes ... last one in pot 2 ... so basically if someone had qualified above us (e.g. Scum in pot 1) that'd have pushed every one a place below and this pushing us back into pot 3 ... makes them not qualifying all the more sweeter.

Oh well!
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Original Dub » Wed May 21, 2014 12:07 am

jimtolmie_tache wrote:
EDIT: Forget it, you're right, looks like we've squeaked into it.

But we shouldn't have to squeak into it. Arsenal should not be in that first fucking pot, it makes me so angry, I wanna throw the phone down...

So... Arsenal, Schalke, RK, Celtic
Bayern, City, Fuckin Napoli, Athletic Bilbao.

I could accept us getting a tough draw from pot 2, but for Arsenal to avoid all the giants till they get knocked out by one in February....


Does it matter?

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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby BlueinBosnia » Wed May 21, 2014 12:28 pm

AG7 wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:We're pot 2 yes?


Yes ... last one in pot 2 ... so basically if someone had qualified above us (e.g. Scum in pot 1) that'd have pushed every one a place below and this pushing us back into pot 3 ... makes them not qualifying all the more sweeter.

Oh well!


No. We're between 5th and 8th in Pot 2. For each of Arsenal, Porto and Zenit that fail to qualify for the Group Stage, we rise 1 place...
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed May 21, 2014 3:58 pm

Just looking at that list. I would guess that even if the filth qualified next season, they might miss out on a pot 1 seeding with no European involvement this season. Would be nice to see them get a tougher group for a change. Better still, miss out altogether again.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby BlueinBosnia » Wed May 21, 2014 4:43 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Just looking at that list. I would guess that even if the filth qualified next season, they might miss out on a pot 1 seeding with no European involvement this season. Would be nice to see them get a tougher group for a change. Better still, miss out altogether again.

Yep. They'll be on around 104-105 coefficient points, ranking them around 10th. On the weight of probability, they'll end up either 7th or 8th in Pot 1, or in the top couple of Pot 2...
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed May 21, 2014 5:13 pm

BlueinBosnia wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Just looking at that list. I would guess that even if the filth qualified next season, they might miss out on a pot 1 seeding with no European involvement this season. Would be nice to see them get a tougher group for a change. Better still, miss out altogether again.

Yep. They'll be on around 104-105 coefficient points, ranking them around 10th. On the weight of probability, they'll end up either 7th or 8th in Pot 1, or in the top couple of Pot 2...[/quote

Again it would be easy to see Schalke passing that 105 total, as could Dortmund and PSG, maybe even Juve. But it is difficult to see too many above that total dropping below it.
Having said that a top four place in the Prem might not be so easy for them
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby nottsblue » Wed May 21, 2014 6:01 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Just looking at that list. I would guess that even if the filth qualified next season, they might miss out on a pot 1 seeding with no European involvement this season. Would be nice to see them get a tougher group for a change. Better still, miss out altogether again.


Also they will lose some points for their run to the final in 2009 as they will drop off. Suprised dippers made pot 3. We'll move to pot 1 in 3/4 years and like Arsenal, we will remain there.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby BlueinBosnia » Wed May 21, 2014 6:35 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Again it would be easy to see Schalke passing that 105 total, as could Dortmund and PSG, maybe even Juve. But it is difficult to see too many above that total dropping below it.
Having said that a top four place in the Prem might not be so easy for them


On a quick calculation, Schalke basically need to not finish bottom of their group to pass that total. Dortmund need to reach the last 8. Juve would have to get to the final, I think, to have any chance of passing it, but PSG would do it by reaching the semis, possibly QF.
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Re: UCL pots for next season

Postby Nutzer » Thu May 22, 2014 4:47 am

jimtolmie_tache wrote:ITV tell us it's the pinnacle of football, but I sat through about 30 minutes Real Madrid v Bayern Munich the other night and felt absolutely no emotion or excitement at all. Why should I have any kind of emotional connection to these superclubs that seem to play each other every year?
At the end of the day, they're two massive clubs who've won more than we could ever dream of winning, but unlike the World Cup, where you make your judgements on whether you like a country in general or not, and it's easy to latch on to a team you don't usually support, I find it impossible to get excited or even vaguely interested at yet another trophy for one or the other.

Saturday evening totally taken up by the Madrid local derby. Maybe ITV should get Tom Daley on the panel to rate the quality of all the dives.
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