"Shakin" City

[Goaters 103]

They all need to sit the fuck down and look around the room and decide who has got the stomach for the fight.

This.

QPR away just became our biggest game for a good while. On Saturday we will find out if this set of players are up for it, and have the stomach and honesty for it; or if they want to wallow in self-pity and have no backbone.

Our expensive playing staff and manager need to start being honest with each other and tell a few home truths behind closed doors.

[Hazy2]

They all need to sit the fuck down and look around the room and decide who has got the stomach for the fight.

100% - does anyone believe this will happen though? its my real doubt about pellers. I can't see him losing it.

Do the Spanish twins come into the dressing room before the game and demand European success? its plain to see no confidence in the whole defence in Europe games. but yaya lacking confidence? No hes just turned into a prick since the summer - and we all called it out he should have been sold. Bad egg and coasting for their first goal. THe whole 10 players looked at him as if to say 'what are you doing' BUT NOBODY has the balls to bollock him. THis is why we need a leader. Kompany does not say boo to yaya.

The only difference between yaya and Mario ballotelli is that yaya has proved himself on the pitch previously.

Why would anybody give Yaya Toure a marking job at a set piece ? He can't head the ball for shit for a start, & has proved that he's fucking hopeless at man marking.

That is nothing new.

Ted I know your sticking up for Yaya at the moment but I don't think he deserves it.

My answer would be:

1) All players should be able to mark a player at a set piece in a Champions league game.
2) He effectively played as a centre back for Barcelona (Who I THINK won the champions league in that time)
3) Dzeko marks players at set pieces (and he is just about as lazy and lax as yaya is)
4) he is paid £200k and 'owes' the club for the sh1t he came out with over the summer. He is the last player that should be coasting.

He played at cb in the final, because there was NO CHOICE. He got arse raped for 15 mins, but the rags missed the chances. Then the rags didn't get another kick & were, like us in Europe, playing like shit.

Dzeko is superb at defending set pieces & rarely loses a challenge, Yaya Toure is an absolute proven fucking liability. Who was marking Cavani at the near post in Napoli ?

Just because he's big he is expected to be reliable defensively, wheras Silva for instance, because he's small, is aknowledged to be shite at it.

I have been saying this since our first game in the CL; Yaya was fucking shocking then defensively, but in those days, everyone was sucking his dick, so I got loads of argument. He was fucking dreadful in the Ukraine i the Europa, one of the worst performances we've seen from a City mid in years, he ground to a halt, yet we were relying on him doing the same job in Moscow four years later.

He is past it at that job & has been since before we signed him. That's why Barca weren't playing him. They didn't realise his attacking qualities & he wasn't doing the job as a dm.

He's now a playmaker, who does a bit of defending, not the box to box player he was when younger. He has said himself he can't do that anymore. If he was 5 ft 6, he wouldn't have any pressure to do it. It's simply because he's tall. Well the fact that he's huge, means that it's twice as hard for him to drag his body round the pitch, as it is for someone half his size.

Stop making him do this shit. He's past it. Let him play football & balance the fucking team. If he unbalances it; drop him.

But just stop asking him to do stuff he's shit at.

Since Palace last season, he has lost his running power You cannot be serious ! he asked to leave Barca because he was not going to be paid more than they thought he was worth to them, as for the ATTACKING no chance Barca were not gonna be running with the ball, The DNA was about ball movement Yaya did not fit the plans with Busquets, Pedro breaking in to supplement Xavi, and Iniesta. Messi did not need that . Back on point he was marking the player, wrongly I accept that Ted, however this was not on the hoof, this was set up 3 weeks a go badly, if the op was playing, that was his man he failed to do his job, basic marking in fact, he looks to me he is doing his own thing no matter what. He can do whatever he wants players have that power, does he look that bothered, the sending off points to sadly one very unhappy player, who left in June but is lingering on until the club accept he is no longer on board, just as he did at Barca, when he knew we were paying top till. He has had every shape of partner sincd NDJ and almost to a man they are looking crap, is that bad research or playing with a talented player who has served his time, would he get away with this at Bayern, Madrid, not the bad defending, the role he wants, Madrid he would never take Free kicks, Bayern team is it and nothing else, PSG he joins a team that jogs the league games and that is his nursing home and last payday.

[Nick]

Ted I know your sticking up for Yaya at the moment but I don't think he deserves it.

My answer would be:

1) All players should be able to mark a player at a set piece in a Champions league game.
2) He effectively played as a centre back for Barcelona (Who I THINK won the champions league in that time)
3) Dzeko marks players at set pieces (and he is just about as lazy and lax as yaya is)
4) he is paid £200k and 'owes' the club for the sh1t he came out with over the summer. He is the last player that should be coasting.[/quote]

He played at cb in the final, because there was NO CHOICE. He got arse raped for 15 mins, but the rags missed the chances. Then the rags didn't get another kick & were, like us in Europe, playing like shit.

Dzeko is superb at defending set pieces & rarely loses a challenge, Yaya Toure is an absolute proven fucking liability. Who was marking Cavani at the near post in Napoli ?

Just because he's big he is expected to be reliable defensively, wheras Silva for instance, because he's small, is aknowledged to be shite at it.

I have been saying this since our first game in the CL; Yaya was fucking shocking then defensively, but in those days, everyone was sucking his dick, so I got loads of argument. He was fucking dreadful in the Ukraine i the Europa, one of the worst performances we've seen from a City mid in years, he ground to a halt, yet we were relying on him doing the same job in Moscow four years later.

He is past it at that job & has been since before we signed him. That's why Barca weren't playing him. They didn't realise his attacking qualities & he wasn't doing the job as a dm.

He's now a playmaker, who does a bit of defending, not the box to box player he was when younger. He has said himself he can't do that anymore. If he was 5 ft 6, he wouldn't have any pressure to do it. It's simply because he's tall. Well the fact that he's huge, means that it's twice as hard for him to drag his body round the pitch, as it is for someone half his size.

Stop making him do this shit. He's past it. Let him play football & balance the fucking team. If he unbalances it; drop him.

But just stop asking him to do stuff he's shit at.[/quote]

Since Palace last season, he has lost his running power You cannot be serious ! he asked to leave Barca because he was not going to be paid more than they thought he was worth to them, as for the ATTACKING no chance Barca were not gonna be running with the ball, The DNA was about ball movement Yaya did not fit the plans with Busquets, Pedro breaking in to supplement Xavi, and Iniesta. Messi did not need that . Back on point he was marking the player, wrongly I accept that Ted, however this was not on the hoof, this was set up 3 weeks a go badly, if the op was playing, that was his man he failed to do his job, basic marking in fact, he looks to me he is doing his own thing no matter what. He can do whatever he wants players have that power, does he look that bothered, the sending off points to sadly one very unhappy player, who left in June but is lingering on until the club accept he is no longer on board, just as he did at Barca, when he knew we were paying top till. He has had every shape of partner sincd NDJ and almost to a man they are looking crap, is that bad research or playing with a talented player who has served his time, would he get away with this at Bayern, Madrid, not the bad defending, the role he wants, Madrid he would never take Free kicks, Bayern team is it and nothing else, PSG he joins a team that jogs the league games and that is his nursing home and last payday.[/quote]

totally agree - no matter how badly he plays he is/will never, EVER be taken off or dropped. How many times has he been subbed?!

Re: yaya vs. silva - at least silva gets on a post and adds something to defending a set piece. Yaya has pissed me off since the summer and 75% of us said get rid, bad apple. What is the point in having a player here who is not 'on board'? We didn't cling on to Tevez....

[PeterParker]

My vision is that those players have this self content in themselves. After winning a league, to fuck all the next season. Where is the motivation for a player that earns 10 mil per yer, how could that be possible to act like that.

As someone said above, instead of crushing the rags, we are waiting for them to get well. And we act in Europe like we have won the past 7 out of 10 trophies.

[dazby]

2 reasons and I'm going to get all "moneyball" on you.

1. We aren't scoring as many. If you consider Aguero as the constant, and the midfield as a constant, we have lost Negredo's goals and not replaced them. Jojo and Edin aren't scoring. Therefore, we are scoring less. Yaya's freekick success rate is down on last season so he isn't contributing as heavily.

2. We are conceding more. Mangala and Fernando have yet to improve us. As a result, the defence is having more to do and we are conceding more goals.

Generally, when things are going bad, you tighten up at the back to turn things around. Do that and the rest will sort itself out.

I would have thought Nacho man would have joined by now and be contributing goals. However, we either need Sergio to go on a consistent run or one of Jojo and Edin to step up, preferably both.

[Ted Hughes]

We are below our level as a team, at the moment. Which is why all this bollocks scapegoating Yaya or Jovetic etc is just complete bollocks. Everyone is off their game.

But we need to seperate our Euro peformances from our Prem ones. In Europe, ANY European competition, we are shit. We are not the same kind of shit in the Prem, just a bit off it.

In the Prem, the rags have shown how it is possible to be total shit & win titles. If we stick in there behind Chelsea, at some point they will fuck up, & then we as Champions will most likely kick right into gear. Ferguson knew all about that; it's what Champions do. The key is not getting too far behind. 12 points & it's over.

9-10, it's still on.

And don't anyone start with Mourinho knows how to close it out bullshit. I've sat & watched in horror whilst the cunt presided over Chelsea chucking title races down the toilet & those bastards cashed in. And that was with a much better team than this one, full of experienced title winners.

We've caught the rags when it looked over, we've caught the People's Champs when it looked over, we can catch that loud mouthed fuck just the same. The key is, to be in the position to cash in when they slip.

Vincent counting the games til we play Bayern Munich, worries me. QPR is far more important.

[Goaters 103]

Generally, when things are going bad, you tighten up at the back to turn things around. Do that and the rest will sort itself out.

This is the most pertinent point. Keep the fookin back door shut.

The only clean sheet we've kept in the last 5 games and guess what - its the only game we won, hey presto!

Sometimes it isn't rocket science. We should have a 4-2-3-1 formation tomorrow, with Fernando and Fernndinho in front of the back four as a shield. Then let Toure, Aguero et al up top win the game.

For the record I have zero confidence in us winning tomorrow, but we should go into this one preaching clean sheet and solidity; we need to man up, and if we do somehow manage to keep a clean sheet, chances will come at the other end and its up to our big players with big reputations, to take them.

[Ted Hughes]

Generally, when things are going bad, you tighten up at the back to turn things around. Do that and the rest will sort itself out.

This is the most pertinent point. Keep the fookin back door shut.

The only clean sheet we've kept in the last 5 games and guess what - its the only game we won, hey presto!

Sometimes it isn't rocket science. We should have a 4-2-3-1 formation tomorrow, with Fernando and Fernndinho in front of the back four as a shield. Then let Toure, Aguero et al up top win the game.

For the record I have zero confidence in us winning tomorrow, but we should go into this one preaching clean sheet and solidity; we need to man up, and if we do somehow manage to keep a clean sheet, chances will come at the other end and its up to our big players with big reputations, to take them.

We tried all of this with Mancini & still got nowhere near retaining the title & got hammered once or twice whilst we were at it, largely with the same group of players. For any system to work, the players have to perform.

[gmercer1]

Maybe the key is to only play 10 men, that would surprise the opposition!
We played better once down to 10 against CSK :)

[Goaters 103]

Generally, when things are going bad, you tighten up at the back to turn things around. Do that and the rest will sort itself out.

This is the most pertinent point. Keep the fookin back door shut.

The only clean sheet we've kept in the last 5 games and guess what - its the only game we won, hey presto!

Sometimes it isn't rocket science. We should have a 4-2-3-1 formation tomorrow, with Fernando and Fernndinho in front of the back four as a shield. Then let Toure, Aguero et al up top win the game.

For the record I have zero confidence in us winning tomorrow, but we should go into this one preaching clean sheet and solidity; we need to man up, and if we do somehow manage to keep a clean sheet, chances will come at the other end and its up to our big players with big reputations, to take them.

We tried all of this with Mancini & still got nowhere near retaining the title & got hammered once or twice whilst we were at it, largely with the same group of players. For any system to work, the players have to perform.

Im talking about for this game Ted - read my post again.

What we need most of all this weekend is to stop the bleeding, put a halt to the press feeding frenzy and gain some breathing space. We then have a 2 week break to have a serious look at going forwards and what to do, but for now Saturday is a huge game in which we will find out if our players have any backbone and bollocks, for want of a better word.

We cant go into this one, which will be tough, thinking its the same for fancy total football because on a tight pitch against a side fighting for its life it will be very tough.

[Ted Hughes]

Generally, when things are going bad, you tighten up at the back to turn things around. Do that and the rest will sort itself out.

This is the most pertinent point. Keep the fookin back door shut.

The only clean sheet we've kept in the last 5 games and guess what - its the only game we won, hey presto!

Sometimes it isn't rocket science. We should have a 4-2-3-1 formation tomorrow, with Fernando and Fernndinho in front of the back four as a shield. Then let Toure, Aguero et al up top win the game.

For the record I have zero confidence in us winning tomorrow, but we should go into this one preaching clean sheet and solidity; we need to man up, and if we do somehow manage to keep a clean sheet, chances will come at the other end and its up to our big players with big reputations, to take them.

We tried all of this with Mancini & still got nowhere near retaining the title & got hammered once or twice whilst we were at it, largely with the same group of players. For any system to work, the players have to perform.

Im talking about for this game Ted - read my post again.

What we need most of all this weekend is to stop the bleeding, put a halt to the press feeding frenzy and gain some breathing space. We then have a 2 week break to have a serious look at going forwards and what to do, but for now Saturday is a huge game in which we will find out if our players have any backbone and bollocks, for want of a better word.

We cant go into this one, which will be tough, thinking its the same for fancy total football because on a tight pitch against a side fighting for its life it will be very tough.

QPR are shite mate.

If we worry about them, we will drop in level & they will beat us. We need to get back to playing confident attacking football, then they will fall apart & our evening will become a nice comfortable one. Pellegrini has proved that this team can play fantastic football, his way.

We need to start doing that again, or the season will be over.

[Goaters 103]

QPR are shite mate, but then again so are CSKA and they turned us over with a cigar on.

We need a result more than anything else and this wont be easy - especially given the way we are playing and QPR's recent uptick, as they should have beaten Liverpool, did beat Villa and almost got something at Chelsea in their last 3 games.

[Ted Hughes]

QPR are shite mate, but then again so are CSKA and they turned us over with a cigar on.

We need a result more than anything else and this wont be easy - especially given the way we are playing and QPR's recent uptick, as they should have beaten Liverpool, did beat Villa and almost got something at Chelsea in their last 3 games.

Utd would have beaten us 6-0 if they were Unitedardo from Spain. We are shit in Europe.

We need to play our game, or we will lose to QPR. If we do, they will fall to pieces. Otherwise, if we try to be solid & grind it out, they will score because someone will neglect their duty.

[blues2win]

Actually CSKA aren't shit. They're a decent second tier european side whom we can't seem to handle. We should have beaten them twice but they have some decent players.

[Goaters 103]

No they are shit. See the way Roma undressed them as evidence.

As European opponents go they would be somewhere in the third tier, not second. Sadly at the moment we are fourth tier level hence why we made Duombia look like Pele.

[getdressedmctavish]

Ted has got a point. Under Mancini we had Gareth and Nige and spent all week walking round the training field in shape, then regularly got turned over by chancers upping the ante.But goaters is right. We have to stop handing the oppo routes through midfield, at least at the beginning of games, at least while we get our game going. We need to start tight and then slowly impose our game. Milner pushed out wide in the first minute is a fuckin nonsense. What's he gonna do, rip em a new one and lash it in. The problem is that the Count has shown time and time again he can't block the holes. Weirdly he did it best with Garcia but then sold him. One thing for sure, whether Ya Ya is a cunt or not, pretty obvious to me, we can't have him as one of a 2 man central midfield, he makes whoever he plays with look a twat. personally I think slim Frank makes all of them look like amateurs and I'd start him and Fernando, Milner Ya Ya and one other, probably Fernandinho. Yes he has been worse than shit, but as Ted has always said he is a forward runner, not a holder and looks decent when he does that.No point in two up top if Aguero never passes to either and both Edin andJovetic are so far off their game. I agree with Ted, someone will probably fuck up, but I don't think we can carry on making the same mistakes.

[Hazy2]

QPR will lump up to BZ chest and runners of him, if we allow the service we will struggle . Time for a performance from the champions.

[Ted Hughes]

Dzeko is about due to turn into his brother who runs about & scores goals again. If not today, it will happen soon, mark my words. I have now realised that he plays every season exactly the same.

Also he is good defending corners. I would consider him, purely on the fact that he does this every year.The other side is though, as McT said; Aguero won't pass to him. That's a point against.

We need to get on the front foot & score then we could have a cricket score by the end. Not being stupidly open, but attack, pass, attack. If we don't, we'll just blow it.

[AntMcfc]

He played at cb in the final, because there was NO CHOICE. He got arse raped for 15 mins, but the rags missed the chances. Then the rags didn't get another kick & were, like us in Europe, playing like shit.

Dzeko is superb at defending set pieces & rarely loses a challenge, Yaya Toure is an absolute proven fucking liability. Who was marking Cavani at the near post in Napoli ?

Just because he's big he is expected to be reliable defensively, wheras Silva for instance, because he's small, is aknowledged to be shite at it.

I have been saying this since our first game in the CL; Yaya was fucking shocking then defensively, but in those days, everyone was sucking his dick, so I got loads of argument. He was fucking dreadful in the Ukraine i the Europa, one of the worst performances we've seen from a City mid in years, he ground to a halt, yet we were relying on him doing the same job in Moscow four years later.

He is past it at that job & has been since before we signed him. That's why Barca weren't playing him. They didn't realise his attacking qualities & he wasn't doing the job as a dm.

He's now a playmaker, who does a bit of defending, not the box to box player he was when younger. He has said himself he can't do that anymore. If he was 5 ft 6, he wouldn't have any pressure to do it. It's simply because he's tall. Well the fact that he's huge, means that it's twice as hard for him to drag his body round the pitch, as it is for someone half his size.

Stop making him do this shit. He's past it. Let him play football & balance the fucking team. If he unbalances it; drop him.

But just stop asking him to do stuff he's shit at.

Spot on. Mancini realised this, and played him as the deep lying playmaker in 12/13, and he performed the role to perfection. It's time to revert back.

[FA cup winners 2006]

He played at cb in the final, because there was NO CHOICE. He got arse raped for 15 mins, but the rags missed the chances. Then the rags didn't get another kick & were, like us in Europe, playing like shit.

Dzeko is superb at defending set pieces & rarely loses a challenge, Yaya Toure is an absolute proven fucking liability. Who was marking Cavani at the near post in Napoli ?

Just because he's big he is expected to be reliable defensively, wheras Silva for instance, because he's small, is aknowledged to be shite at it.

I have been saying this since our first game in the CL; Yaya was fucking shocking then defensively, but in those days, everyone was sucking his dick, so I got loads of argument. He was fucking dreadful in the Ukraine i the Europa, one of the worst performances we've seen from a City mid in years, he ground to a halt, yet we were relying on him doing the same job in Moscow four years later.

He is past it at that job & has been since before we signed him. That's why Barca weren't playing him. They didn't realise his attacking qualities & he wasn't doing the job as a dm.

He's now a playmaker, who does a bit of defending, not the box to box player he was when younger. He has said himself he can't do that anymore. If he was 5 ft 6, he wouldn't have any pressure to do it. It's simply because he's tall. Well the fact that he's huge, means that it's twice as hard for him to drag his body round the pitch, as it is for someone half his size.

Stop making him do this shit. He's past it. Let him play football & balance the fucking team. If he unbalances it; drop him.

But just stop asking him to do stuff he's shit at.

Spot on. Mancini realised this, and played him as the deep lying playmaker in 12/13, and he performed the role to perfection. It's time to revert back.

Thats bullshit, Mancini did not play him as a deep lying playmaker. He played him in midfield but our defence and midfield lines were much deeper and closer together thus cutting down the space for opposing players. Yaya was still expected to be the box to box midfielder he is now.

I totally agree with Ted, Yaya defensively is a liability but he has some attacking attributes that we can use when the time and game suits it. Finding a fit for him, Silva and Aguero in the same team is a challenge but shoehorning Yaya into a box to box midfield position is not how to do it.