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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carolina-blue » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:30 pm

Tomlin for Boro tweeted "washing machine making loads of noise , opened it up and Kompany crawled out .Must have left him in my back pocket "
LOL. Cheeky Cunt lol
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby london blue 2 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:14 pm

carolina-blue wrote:Tomlin for Boro tweeted "washing machine making loads of noise , opened it up and Kompany crawled out .Must have left him in my back pocket "
LOL. Cheeky Cunt lol

Brilliant.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Slim » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:22 pm

That is good.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:51 pm

Slim wrote:That is good.



And a true story.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Slim » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:38 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Slim wrote:That is good.



And a true story.


Sadly. I think the scary thing was how many times he got goalside of Kompany, worse than any 90 minutes MDM did and he was god awful terrible when he first arrived in England.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Nigels Tackle » Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:18 pm

can we ship him off to nycfc for £50m?
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:50 pm

Nigels Tackle wrote:can we ship him off to nycfc for £50m?


He gets a bye from most fans , as he is coming back from injury so he is apparently allowed to play FUKCING SHITE.
We should just forget that that he has single handedly cost us points over the last few games and just blame someone else,anyone.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Hazy2 » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:05 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:can we ship him off to nycfc for £50m?


He gets a bye from most fans , as he is coming back from injury so he is apparently allowed to play FUKCING SHITE.
We should just forget that that he has single handedly cost us points over the last few games and just blame someone else,anyone.


Not saying he had anything but an average game today, but under the radar where would you start and end with this bunch of prima donna's.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:07 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:can we ship him off to nycfc for £50m?


He gets a bye from most fans , as he is coming back from injury so he is apparently allowed to play FUKCING SHITE.
We should just forget that that he has single handedly cost us points over the last few games and just blame someone else,anyone.


Not saying he had anything but an average game today, but under the radar where would you start and end with this bunch of prima donna's.


Id start by dropping a few of them , Kompany first.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:02 pm

I suggest the die hard "apologists for Kompanys fuck ups" read this and understand why we MUST sell him come the end of the season.

http://www.typicalcity.org/2015/02/08/i ... t-kompany/?


Is This The Beginning Of The End For Vincent Kompany?
Any temptation to criticise Vincent Kompany is quickly offset by a sudden overwhelming sense of obligation. An obligation to grovel and to thank him – or, Him, if you’re feeling cheeky – for providing many timeless memories in a sky blue shirt. They don’t need to be listed here yet again – they’re surely nailed into our subconscious after so long. Spending £6m on defender who would go on to captain two Premier League-winning sides is an undeniable bargain that may never be repeated in the modern game, given that transfer records are now being broken each summer and the average transfer fee continues to inflate. But before I allow nostalgia to change my mind, I should cut to the chase.

Vincent Kompany isn’t the player he once was. An obvious argument, yes, but bear with me here. Arguably the best centre-back in the world on a good day, following Vincent Kompany into battle often feels like the safest option. As a City fan writing this, it’s always worth repeating that he’s won the Premier League two times in three years as captain – just to let the achievement fill me up again – but the tone of recent discussions surrounding Kompany’s dwindling form has shown signs that the beginning of the end is nigh, if it isn’t already under way.

Of course, there is the issue that Kompany is injury prone: time after time we’ve seen him signal to the bench and park his backside on the pitch with sensible resignation. The physio then dashes over to assess the situation as Kompany’s defiance peels away. This is followed by a heartfelt trudge from the field, accompanied by disappointed applause and whispered groans which imply this won’t be the last time we’ll see this happen. But never before has he allowed his injuries to hamper his form as significantly at has done recently; Kompany looked uncharacteristically uncomfortable during Arsenal’s successful visit to the Etihad, giving away a penalty after losing possession in midfield. It’s important to mention that he initially gave the ball away further up the pitch in the lead up to giving the penalty away, but we’ll get to that.

Without trying to sound like your average moustachioed detective, my suspicions were first aroused back in September, during the 1-1 Champions’ League draw with Roma at the Etihad. Francesco Totti found a pocket of space behind Kompany after he stepped out of defence, ran through on goal unchallenged, and chipped over the onrushing Joe Hart to equalise. An attacking player with the years of experience and intelligence that Totti possesses could find pockets of space in a crammed shoebox, but it was almost too simple for him, especially when you consider that the usually formidable Kompany was the man assigned to keep watch. Given that I judged it to be an isolated incident at the time, chalking it up to a single mistake seemed sensible.

But November saw Swansea City visit the Etihad Stadium, and a goal by Wilfried Bony gave his former side the lead. Instead of reading another one of my descriptions of how City conceded the goal, or how soft it was, look at this picture instead:

1Another huge pocket of potentially exploitable space behind Vincent Kompany that an intelligent striker spotted after the City captain stepped out of defence. Same scenario, same result: Hart makes himself as big as possible, but a tidy finish sees the net ripple and the Etihad is stunned into silence.

I don’t wish to sound like I obsessively watched frame-by-frame clips of Vincent Kompany’s biggest mistakes after this game, but I couldn’t help being drawn into a rabbit hole of sorts. This habit of being caught out after being drawn away from the penalty area is something that has littered Kompany’s time at the club. Throughout his fantastic and unforgettable Manchester City career, Vincent has still shown himself to be perfectly capable of a high-profile blunder or two while attempting to commanding his area – the miscue to assist Philippe Coutinho in the 3-2 defeat to Liverpool at Anfield last season, the own goal away to Fulham – but an unusually high amount of Kompany’s most infamous cock-ups seem to happen further up the pitch. Once again, instead of poorly describing the incidents, I’ll let fancy pictures do the talking for me again.

The red card vs. Hull, March 2014:

2James Milner’s red card vs. West Bromwich Albion, October 2012:

3Jamie Mackie’s goal for QPR on THAT day, May 2012:

4Kompany’s red card vs. Manchester United, January 2012:

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5Now, you could argue that his red card vs. Manchester United was unfair, and City did contest the decision, but lunging into a tackle with both feet off the floor showed Kompany wasn’t thinking properly. His natural home in the penalty area was at least twenty yards behind him, and if you look at every pictured example – even just for a second – you’ll see a huge pocket of space with an attacker ready to sprint into it. Just for fun, compare the image above of Kompany tackling Nani, to a split second of the build up to Totti’s goal for Roma – the first example I provided.

6It’s almost like looking at a carbon copy.

In the past, this weakness in Kompany’s game wasn’t a huge issue. Although there may be more cases to analyse that I’ve missed, plucking six similar incidents out of four wonderful seasons may seem unfair. With a better memory and access to more video clips, I could probably piece together an article about David Silva’s misgivings during the 90 minutes – but Pellegrini’s insistence on playing a high line has exposed and exacerbated Kompany’s most fundamental weakness to the extent that it has become a worryingly regular occurrence. This happened three times against Middlesbrough alone – two of which eventually lead to goals for the opposition – and once against Chelsea.

Bamford’s goal for Middlesbrough, January 2015 (Kompany is the blur about to misjudge a header):

7Tomlin’s big chance for Middlesbrough, January 2015:

8Kike’s goal for Middlesbrough, January 2015:

9Losing out to Remy vs. Chelsea, January 2015:

10In each of the above instances, Kompany steps up, dives in to a tackle and misses it – or loses possession – which results in the pocket of space behind him being opened up as he uncomfortably tries to cover himself. The attacking team spot the weakness and City are cost dearly through red cards or conceding goals.

Again, being this critical about Kompany may seem uncessary, especially considering that he is one of the greatest defenders in City’s long and often difficult history, and he was coming back from an injury during those difficult 90 minutes against Middlesbrough. But adding four more examples from very recently hammers home the point that Kompany’s head isn’t exactly somewhere else this season, as myself and others have suggested, but that our insistence on playing a high line – which has been looking increasingly disjointed – is exposing Kompany’s shortcomings and putting us in danger.

On balance, Martin Demichelis has arguably been our best centre-half since the beginning of last season, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he suits City’s high defensive line given his vast experience of different European leagues. Under the management of Mancini, City were a team that defended deeper and dug in harder to grind out results like 0-0 draws away to Arsenal – perhaps because they had to. Kompany was in his element and arguably in his finest form for long, uninterrupted, imperious stretches of both the 2010-11 season and the following title-winning season, but with age and a new high defensive line, it could be suggested that Kompany has been forced to find his feet again at the wrong end of his career.

While we persist with our current defensive system, Pellegrini is putting Kompany at risk of uncertainty, which is clearly resulting in his very obvious indecisiveness of late. Draw him out of position and it’s open season on our penalty area. It seems to be nothing more than his natural ability that gets him through so many games and allows him to escape serious criticism across the board.

That creeping sense of overwhelming obligation to thank Vincent for his years of wonderful service is forcing me to bookend this piece with a reminder that Kompany is coming back to full fitness, and that I’d have him over any other centre-back in the world. I have no doubt that his recent struggles are down to the team’s playing style rather than a personal problem, but considering Kompany is the wrong side of 28 now, it’s looking increasingly likely that we’ll never see him in his prime in a City shirt ever again – and that’s upsetting to say the least, especially after being the best captain this club has ever known.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:16 pm

So there is nothing between "World Class" and "sell him"?

He is still a very good defender.

Who would all of you replace him with? Names, please.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:35 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:So there is nothing between "World Class" and "sell him"?

He is still a very good defender.

Who would all of you replace him with? Names, please.


Hes not been a very good defender for the last 4 games has he , in fact hes been a fucking disaster (If Dzeko had played even half as bad as Kompany has done he would of been vilified on here) and hes been nothing but average overall for the last 2 years.

I don't know who to replace him with mate but I do know we did very well without him for the fuckign 6 weeks or so he was out....when he came back in we have lost points directly because of him and have virtually lost the prem because of it.

I refuse to push this topic under the carpet like most fans do as its a fucking huge issue for me.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby mr_nool » Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:48 pm

To me, Kompany looks shot of confidence. Previous seasons we've seen indications of his nerves getting the better of him in the CL, but this season he seems to let it affect him in the domestic competitions as well.

Personally I would strip him of his captaincy and sit him out for a while. Then ease him back into the side. I think he can't handle the pressure of carrying the team when both him and the team are in poor form.

I think he's still a good defender, but he needs to feel like he's not the one who has to carry the team.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:56 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:So there is nothing between "World Class" and "sell him"?

He is still a very good defender.

Who would all of you replace him with? Names, please.


Hes not been a very good defender for the last 4 games has he , in fact hes been a fucking disaster (If Dzeko had played even half as bad as Kompany has done he would of been vilified on here) and hes been nothing but average overall for the last 2 years.

I don't know who to replace him with mate but I do know we did very well without him for the fuckign 6 weeks or so he was out....when he came back in we have lost points directly because of him and have virtually lost the prem because of it.

I refuse to push this topic under the carpet like most fans do as its a fucking huge issue for me.


Write him off, not for me support him. A concept we seem to have lost at City. No disrespect Carl as you are not at games he has enough in the bank to get back to the levels we know he is capable of, the very well put together read, writing a player off at 29 seems harsh.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:21 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:So there is nothing between "World Class" and "sell him"?

He is still a very good defender.

Who would all of you replace him with? Names, please.


Hes not been a very good defender for the last 4 games has he , in fact hes been a fucking disaster (If Dzeko had played even half as bad as Kompany has done he would of been vilified on here) and hes been nothing but average overall for the last 2 years.

I don't know who to replace him with mate but I do know we did very well without him for the fuckign 6 weeks or so he was out....when he came back in we have lost points directly because of him and have virtually lost the prem because of it.

I refuse to push this topic under the carpet like most fans do as its a fucking huge issue for me.


Write him off, not for me support him. A concept we seem to have lost at City. No disrespect Carl as you are not at games he has enough in the bank to get back to the levels we know he is capable of, the very well put together read, writing a player off at 29 seems harsh.


I don't think I've lost a second of City matches for the last decade so whether I am at matches or not is completely irrelevant.

Harsh ??? Kompany has cost us mate , almost single handedly since hes come back in.....this isn't even a fucking opinion , its fact.
He gobs off pre - matches telling us all "we can do we can do it" and how we will win the prem and then he fuckign doesn't do basic defending right.Any player playing alongside him will be shitting it...pound to a penny they feel this way.

Right now he isn't good enough for our first 11 mate...its really as simple as that and he needs dropping NOW..before we get further behind Chelsea.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby dazby » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:40 am

Carl, you must go through thousands of staff every year. Thousands.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby london blue 2 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:12 am

I love vinny. Class class player and man. Shame he keeps getting injured.

Just needs to go back to basics for s few games.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:17 am

Just a point though; it was Demichelis who cost us the points v Hull, not Kompany.

He hasn't been out injured, he was just shit.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Goaters 103 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:26 am

Class player but in a dreadful spell of form. Need to be sat down for a game or two like Hart was last season.
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Re: kompany - trading on past glory?

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:50 am

I find these detailed witchunt things really interesting because they are almost always based on people seeing what have decided they are going to see.

The actual facts almost always get left behind.

If you were dropping a defender on recent form, it wouldn't be Kompany, it would be Zabaleta, then Demichelis, then Kompany.

Zaba is so crap, he was scared to come forward v Hull, because Navas wasn't there to rescue him & he can't run. Demichelis turned a routine clearance for a 12 year old into a goal for Hull. You would be disappointed with that, in a kids' game. In recent games, I've seen him come 'sprinting' across in front of me, to tackle a wide player, & arrive so late, there's actually an empty space when he gets there.

Kompany was fucking awful v Boro, but on the whole, most of the players around him have been worse.

There is absolutely no case for dropping him whatsoever. There would have been, after the Boro game,but not since then. It's just as likely, that any other player in the back 4, will make as bad or worse mistake than him. So if he goes, they all go.
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