Chelsea Racists

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I'm not sure that counts as Chelsea fans chanting, it was a couple of fat pricks on a train pissed up.
I wouldn't want our support judged against a couple of eejits on the lash abroad.Although I have to say I have always found Chelsea fans to be the second most charmless group of supporters, without any wit or humour.

Someone who travels to another country to watch Chelsea play. I'm 100% that counts as a Chelsea fan.

Definitely. In fact you're a pretty diehard fan if you're travelling around the continent to see them.

No, what I mean is that it was hardly a train load of Chelsea fans chanting in unison. Not even a carriage full, nor even half a dozen. It was a couple of obnoxious cunts behaving like utter turds.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'm not sure that counts as Chelsea fans chanting, it was a couple of fat pricks on a train pissed up.
I wouldn't want our support judged against a couple of eejits on the lash abroad.Although I have to say I have always found Chelsea fans to be the second most charmless group of supporters, without any wit or humour.

Someone who travels to another country to watch Chelsea play. I'm 100% that counts as a Chelsea fan.

Definitely. In fact you're a pretty diehard fan if you're travelling around the continent to see them.

At face value, that seems to be a pretty incontrovertible argument.

[DoomMerchant]

Agree with the Rodge....it's a small handful of cunts who think they are being funny.

i get, albeit secondhandedly, the 'istry of Chelsea racist mongtards, but for me this was just a confluence of a crowded train, and a couple morons taking advantage of that sitch to try and make a super funny racist joke. People make them all the time. Of all races. In all countries. It's stupid, usually, and it didn't come off. Oh, well.

i would have respected Chelsea, the club, more if they came out and said such...instead of the corporate bollox they published. Total horseshit that, but i guess Roman prollee has 4 Jewish lawyers in NYC reviewing this shit, and hiding his money from Putin at the same time, so he's got to listen to them.

cheers

[Mase]

But unfortunately we're judged by those around us. People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". That's the way it is these days.

The fact that in general Chelsea fans are horrible little wankers, and that there's about five hundred films that have been made where the main plot is Chelsea fans being top firm hard men isn't going to do them any favours whatsoever.

I personally wouldn't judge an entire fan base by the actions of one group of fans, but let's be honest these look like die hard, go every week, spend every penny on Chelsea merchandise kind of people, so most people will judge Chelsea on these actions.

[DoomMerchant]

But unfortunately we're judged by those around us. People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". That's the way it is these days.

The fact that in general Chelsea fans are horrible little wankers, and that there's about five hundred films that have been made where the main plot is Chelsea fans being top firm hard men isn't going to do them any favours whatsoever.

I personally wouldn't judge an entire fan base by the actions of one group of fans, but let's be honest these look like die hard, go every week, spend every penny on Chelsea merchandise kind of people, so most people will judge Chelsea on these actions.

Since when do you live and die by what "most people" think?

Cheers

[Slim]

Someone on my friend's list cleared out their friend's list by removing anyone who liked the BNF page.

What's that? I'm aware of BNP, BF and NF - is this some ghastly amalgamation of the three?
I'm blocked by the Britain First page (in spite of never knowingly having commented on any of their posts), and so can't go down that route, unfortunately, as I can't see which of my Facebook 'friends' like it.

Oh, and I assume you mean 'friends''...

Sorry, not being a racist I'm not entirely familiar with the English 'white's only' groups.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris".

No one worth listening to isn't.

[Im_Spartacus]

People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris".

No one worth listening to isn't.

Far too simplistic a view.

Regardless what actually happened, the reporting of the incident will lead to all chelsea fans, and to an extent all football fans being tainted by the incident by association.

If you don't believe this to be the case, how do you explain how very few fans of other clubs actually understand the negative of FFP even now that the realisation is dawning that it's a scam? It's simply because they have been fed a particularly simplistic perspective by the media.

It certainly doesn't mean that they aren't worth listening to, it means that they have had their views tainted by an unbalanced argument.

[Ted Hughes]

Someone on my friend's list cleared out their friend's list by removing anyone who liked the BNF page.

What's that? I'm aware of BNP, BF and NF - is this some ghastly amalgamation of the three?
I'm blocked by the Britain First page (in spite of never knowingly having commented on any of their posts), and so can't go down that route, unfortunately, as I can't see which of my Facebook 'friends' like it.

Oh, and I assume you mean 'friends''...

Sorry, not being a racist I'm not entirely familiar with the English 'white's only' groups.

It all started with The Beatles.

[Ted Hughes]

The police have produced a still photograph of the suspects.

[BlueinBosnia]

Definitely. In fact you're a pretty diehard fan if you're travelling around the continent to see them.

At face value, that seems to be a pretty incontrovertible argument.

I'd say the opposite. I know a fair few 'fans' of a number of clubs and nations who hardly ever bother to watch their team at home, but are all up for an away day abroad.

Also, remember that Paris is hardly 'abroad' for someone living in London. It takes less than 10 minutes more than London to Manchester by train.

[Wonderwall]

Someone on my friend's list cleared out their friend's list by removing anyone who liked the BNF page.

What's that? I'm aware of BNP, BF and NF - is this some ghastly amalgamation of the three?
I'm blocked by the Britain First page (in spite of never knowingly having commented on any of their posts), and so can't go down that route, unfortunately, as I can't see which of my Facebook 'friends' like it.

Oh, and I assume you mean 'friends''...

Sorry, not being a racist I'm not entirely familiar with the English 'white's only' groups.

It all started with The Beatles.

You are on form today Ted!

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris".

No one worth listening to isn't.

Far too simplistic a view.

Regardless what actually happened, the reporting of the incident will lead to all chelsea fans, and to an extent all football fans being tainted by the incident by association.

If you don't believe this to be the case, how do you explain how very few fans of other clubs actually understand the negative of FFP even now that the realisation is dawning that it's a scam? It's simply because they have been fed a particularly simplistic perspective by the media.

It certainly doesn't mean that they aren't worth listening to, it means that they have had their views tainted by an unbalanced argument.

Not really sure what you're banging on about.

Fact is anyone who thinks all fans of a club are racist because of a few is the one with a ' simplistic ' viewpoint.

[Im_Spartacus]

People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris".

No one worth listening to isn't.

Far too simplistic a view.

Regardless what actually happened, the reporting of the incident will lead to all chelsea fans, and to an extent all football fans being tainted by the incident by association.

If you don't believe this to be the case, how do you explain how very few fans of other clubs actually understand the negative of FFP even now that the realisation is dawning that it's a scam? It's simply because they have been fed a particularly simplistic perspective by the media.

It certainly doesn't mean that they aren't worth listening to, it means that they have had their views tainted by an unbalanced argument.

Not really sure what you're banging on about.

Fact is anyone who thinks all fans of a club are racist because of a few is the one with a ' simplistic ' viewpoint.

Yes, they are, but it doesn't mean their viewpoint is unimportant, as it becomes a big problem down the line if unchecked. Perfect example being the commonly held view that 'muslims are terrorists'.

The problem with that viewpoint is that you are very probably talking about the majority of the country who to some degree share a particular media driven view of the world around them. They are on the one hand gullible for taking it all in at face value, but if the majority believe a particular narrative - eg, chelsea fans are racist, all muslims are terrorists, or FFP is fucking fantastic then regardless of the truth, that view passes into common acceptance - it becomes part of culture, and the way people are conditioned to think.

These people, in particular have views that matter, because in the eyes of the majority, their view is what actually happened - it's down to the enlightened to "listen to them" and explain the errors in their view.

Dismissing the opinion of these people as you are suggesting as 'not worth listening to' doesn't make the problem go away.

[iwasthere2012]

People aren't going to remember "some Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris". They're going to remember "Chelsea fans racially abusing a man in Paris".

No one worth listening to isn't.

Far too simplistic a view.

Regardless what actually happened, the reporting of the incident will lead to all chelsea fans, and to an extent all football fans being tainted by the incident by association.

If you don't believe this to be the case, how do you explain how very few fans of other clubs actually understand the negative of FFP even now that the realisation is dawning that it's a scam? It's simply because they have been fed a particularly simplistic perspective by the media.

It certainly doesn't mean that they aren't worth listening to, it means that they have had their views tainted by an unbalanced argument.

Not really sure what you're banging on about.

Fact is anyone who thinks all fans of a club are racist because of a few is the one with a ' simplistic ' viewpoint.

Yes, they are, but it doesn't mean their viewpoint is unimportant, as it becomes a big problem down the line if unchecked. Perfect example being the commonly held view that 'muslims are terrorists'.

The problem with that viewpoint is that you are very probably talking about the majority of the country who to some degree share a particular media driven view of the world around them. They are on the one hand gullible for taking it all in at face value, but if the majority believe a particular narrative - eg, chelsea fans are racist, all muslims are terrorists, or FFP is fucking fantastic then regardless of the truth, that view passes into common acceptance - it becomes part of culture, and the way people are conditioned to think.

These people, in particular have views that matter, because in the eyes of the majority, their view is what actually happened - it's down to the enlightened to "listen to them" and explain the errors in their view.

Dismissing the opinion of these people as you are suggesting as 'not worth listening to' doesn't make the problem go away.

Which is precisely what some have argued on here, regarding Maureen ranting about City and FFP.
One side saying it doesn't matter what he says, while the other side correctly arguing, in my opinion, that it is dereliction of duty by the media not to point out how false his accusations are.
You quite rightly argue that the media should be challenged when making broad sweeping generalisations, even against opposing fans. They may well be an obnoxious lot, but we can't just assume that they are all racist.
If God forbid it ever happened with a few City supporters, I'm sure there would be indignation on here if the media went to town on the whole lot of us.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Definitely. In fact you're a pretty diehard fan if you're travelling around the continent to see them.

At face value, that seems to be a pretty incontrovertible argument.

I'd say the opposite. I know a fair few 'fans' of a number of clubs and nations who hardly ever bother to watch their team at home, but are all up for an away day abroad.

Also, remember that Paris is hardly 'abroad' for someone living in London. It takes less than 10 minutes more than London to Manchester by train.

I'd disagree with that.

I know a number of people who, because of their personal situations, work, finances etc. have never been abroad to watch the teams that they support.

Even my mad brother-in-law, who is as daft as they come about Leeds United, was never able to watch his team playing in Europe, when they were in their hey-day (70s, 80s and 90s).

[BlueinBosnia]

Definitely. In fact you're a pretty diehard fan if you're travelling around the continent to see them.

At face value, that seems to be a pretty incontrovertible argument.

I'd say the opposite. I know a fair few 'fans' of a number of clubs and nations who hardly ever bother to watch their team at home, but are all up for an away day abroad.

Also, remember that Paris is hardly 'abroad' for someone living in London. It takes less than 10 minutes more than London to Manchester by train.

I'd disagree with that.

I know a number of people who, because of their personal situations, work, finances etc. have never been abroad to watch the teams that they support.

Even my mad brother-in-law, who is as daft as they come about Leeds United, was never able to watch his team playing in Europe, when they were in their hey-day (70s, 80s and 90s).

Re-read what I wrote, and I think you'll find that those two statements deal with mutually exclusive issues.

[twosips]

Fair play. Mourinho has actually talked about it at length and condemned them. I thought he'd brush over it to be honest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... day.html?x

[Ted Hughes]

Yeah fair play to them, they have made it plain that these people are not welcome and an embarrassment to the club and will be banned for life.

Can't ask for any more than that.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Fair play. Mourinho has actually talked about it at length and condemned them. I thought he'd brush over it to be honest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... day.html?x

Haven't read his comments and won't but giving up an opportunity of good PR by brushing it over? Not bloody likely.