100 mil for Nasri, Kolarov, Dzeko, Yaya and Jovetic

[DoomMerchant]

Any manager worth his salt at City, will look at this squad & know the kind of players we need in order to play the kind of football the club demands. There will be a limited number available who fit the bill & some deals will probably be fucked up by Real Madrid, Bayern etc.

What's left, is what we'll get, & chances are mostly the same players will end up coming in whoever the manager. If Mark Hughes had stayed ay City, he wouldn't have said no to Silva, Toure, or Aguero, just like the Count didn't turn down Fernandinho or Jovetic even though they were scouted under Mancini.

If there are a couple of players a new manager after the Count doesn't fancy, it's hardly a disaster. Just sell them. We won the league with Javi Garcia involved, who was pretty much doomed once the Count took over. It's not going to be a case of signing five players a new manager wouldn't want. It would be one or two at worst & unlikely to be the big ones.

What's your point you prolific fuck? The manager hardly matters and the players we can get are what we can get regardless?

I can't make sense of the million paragraph march above.

We've reached the point of managers not mattering as much but we are probably always second or third choice to the top top tier cunts?

What do you do for work BTW? Do you inspect shit and carry a clipboard? Just curious.

Cheers

Everybody who plays the kind of football City play, are after the same players, it's that simple.

If Pep Guardiola takes over tomorrow, the same list will appear in front of him, bar perhaps one or two wild cards.

Pep's signings, Ancelotti's signings & Pellegrini's signings as City manager, would be very similar.

And yet I believe all three could have different levels or success with said players.

Do you agree?

[Ted Hughes]

Yes. I think Pep would vastly outperform the other two.

I'm replying to the recurring theme of people wondering if it's safe to spend money with Pellegrini in charge, if he may be leaving at the end of next season. I think he would sign mostly the same players, so it's not much of a risk.

[PrezIke]

No way should Yaya and Nasri be sold, what's the point in that? They're two of our best players and two of our very few players with match winning ability. Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic out this summer, and, begrudgingly, Milner.

I hear you, but if we don't sell Yaya nor Nasri, unless we plan to place their arses on the bench more, we are going to continue to be left very exposed at the back, especially if we also keep and start Silva, which is highly likely for good reasons.

I'm okay with that but will those two, or the other "replacements" we might potentially want to sign? I think the rotation system may begin to be phased out and we look to spend our cash on one bigger player for a position (if we can get them) and try to slot more youth players into the team as the backup or given occasional game to start against weaker opposition.

Also, where are we going to get the funds with FFP to pay for new talent coming in? I guess Jojo, Dzeko and Kolarov could cover it, but something tells me either Nasri or Yaya may end up leaving as well. Not sure if Dzeko is as likely to leave despite his performance this season.

[Two's Kompany]

No way should Yaya and Nasri be sold, what's the point in that? They're two of our best players and two of our very few players with match winning ability. Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic out this summer, and, begrudgingly, Milner.

I understand your thoughts, but I think the most significant kick Nasri made this season was when he lashed out at Neymar.
That was a straight red and it spoke volumes he was not involved in the match day squad against West Brom three days later, (if he was injured, I missed it).
I think the management (and I include everyone behind the scenes) can forgive a sending off for tackles, but not petulance.

[Mase]

No way should Yaya and Nasri be sold, what's the point in that? They're two of our best players and two of our very few players with match winning ability. Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic out this summer, and, begrudgingly, Milner.

I understand your thoughts, but I think the most significant kick Nasri made this season was when he lashed out at Neymar.
That was a straight red and it spoke volumes he was not involved in the match day squad against West Brom three days later, (if he was injured, I missed it).
I think the management (and I include everyone behind the scenes) can forgive a sending off for tackles, but not petulance.

It wasn't a straight red at all.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

No way should Yaya and Nasri be sold, what's the point in that? They're two of our best players and two of our very few players with match winning ability. Kolarov, Dzeko, Jovetic out this summer, and, begrudgingly, Milner.

I understand your thoughts, but I think the most significant kick Nasri made this season was when he lashed out at Neymar.
That was a straight red and it spoke volumes he was not involved in the match day squad against West Brom three days later, (if he was injured, I missed it).
I think the management (and I include everyone behind the scenes) can forgive a sending off for tackles, but not petulance.

It wasn't a straight red at all.

Not for me but it could've been depending on the ref.

Wasn't the first time this season either, did similar against CSKA.

He shouldn't have let himself be riled, should've gone down when Alba gave him a clip around the ear earlier.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Any manager worth his salt at City, will look at this squad & know the kind of players we need in order to play the kind of football the club demands. There will be a limited number available who fit the bill & some deals will probably be fucked up by Real Madrid, Bayern etc.

What's left, is what we'll get, & chances are mostly the same players will end up coming in whoever the manager. If Mark Hughes had stayed ay City, he wouldn't have said no to Silva, Toure, or Aguero, just like the Count didn't turn down Fernandinho or Jovetic even though they were scouted under Mancini.

If there are a couple of players a new manager after the Count doesn't fancy, it's hardly a disaster. Just sell them. We won the league with Javi Garcia involved, who was pretty much doomed once the Count took over. It's not going to be a case of signing five players a new manager wouldn't want. It would be one or two at worst & unlikely to be the big ones.

What's your point you prolific fuck? The manager hardly matters and the players we can get are what we can get regardless?

I can't make sense of the million paragraph march above.

We've reached the point of managers not mattering as much but we are probably always second or third choice to the top top tier cunts?

What do you do for work BTW? Do you inspect shit and carry a clipboard? Just curious.

Cheers

Everybody who plays the kind of football City play, are after the same players, it's that simple.

If Pep Guardiola takes over tomorrow, the same list will appear in front of him, bar perhaps one or two wild cards.

Pep's signings, Ancelotti's signings & Pellegrini's signings as City manager, would be very similar.

And yet I believe all three could have different levels or success with said players.

Do you agree?

I think they would all get similar results. The quality of the players you have is the biggest single factor in results. Then again it is small margins that make a difference.

On the subject of fees, I would expect us to get over 20m each for Dzeko, Nasri and Jovetic.
We know that we will be losing two midfielders in Lampard and Milner and so I would be reluctant to ditch more than one more. Nasri is the one for me who should be shipped rather than Yaya. He can't influence and control a game quite like Toure and often goes hiding when he is needed most.

[Wonderwall]

Any manager worth his salt at City, will look at this squad & know the kind of players we need in order to play the kind of football the club demands. There will be a limited number available who fit the bill & some deals will probably be fucked up by Real Madrid, Bayern etc.

What's left, is what we'll get, & chances are mostly the same players will end up coming in whoever the manager. If Mark Hughes had stayed ay City, he wouldn't have said no to Silva, Toure, or Aguero, just like the Count didn't turn down Fernandinho or Jovetic even though they were scouted under Mancini.

If there are a couple of players a new manager after the Count doesn't fancy, it's hardly a disaster. Just sell them. We won the league with Javi Garcia involved, who was pretty much doomed once the Count took over. It's not going to be a case of signing five players a new manager wouldn't want. It would be one or two at worst & unlikely to be the big ones.

What's your point you prolific fuck? The manager hardly matters and the players we can get are what we can get regardless?

I can't make sense of the million paragraph march above.

We've reached the point of managers not mattering as much but we are probably always second or third choice to the top top tier cunts?

What do you do for work BTW? Do you inspect shit and carry a clipboard? Just curious.

Cheers

Everybody who plays the kind of football City play, are after the same players, it's that simple.

If Pep Guardiola takes over tomorrow, the same list will appear in front of him, bar perhaps one or two wild cards.

Pep's signings, Ancelotti's signings & Pellegrini's signings as City manager, would be very similar.

And yet I believe all three could have different levels or success with said players.

Do you agree?

I think they would all get similar results. The quality of the players you have is the biggest single factor in results. Then again it is small margins that make a difference.

On the subject of fees, I would expect us to get over 20m each for Dzeko, Nasri and Jovetic.
We know that we will be losing two midfielders in Lampard and Milner and so I would be reluctant to ditch more than one more. Nasri is the one for me who should be shipped rather than Yaya. He can't influence and control a game quite like Toure and often goes hiding when he is needed most.

I really dont understand that, as there is evidence that Nasri (and Yaya) have stepped up and produced in the big games when we needed it?
CoC final
Roma away this season
West Ham last game of the season

[Goaters 103]

Seem to remember Nasri carving Utd to pieces when we gubbed em 4-1 at home in Sep 2013 as well.

The frustrating thing with Nasri is that he can do it in big games, but hes so bloody unpredictable you never quite know when or where itll happen.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Seem to remember Nasri carving Utd to pieces when we gubbed em 4-1 at home in Sep 2013 as well.

The frustrating thing with Nasri is that he can do it in big games, but hes so bloody unpredictable you never quite know when or where itll happen.

Exactly this.

It's as if he never got beyond puberty with the mood swings he has.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Their are far more big games when he hasn't produced. And let's not forget all the games quoted were against weak sides even though they were important to are. Utd were an awful team, Sunderland a relegation side ( and we did struggle for half of that game until Yaya scored that goal) Weat Ham disinterested and Roma not up to much ( it was a great result but we looked pretty average until That goal came out of the Blue)
But against Bayern, Barca, at Liverpool etc when up against sterner opposition, he just doesn't fancy it more often than not.

[Ted Hughes]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

That's because Sulva and Yaya our far superior players to Nasri and Milner. It's just the way it is.

[Wonderwall]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

That's because Sulva and Yaya our far superior players to Nasri and Milner. It's just the way it is.

That maybe true, but I agree with Ted on the Nasri suffering because of Silva, we rarely see them light up the ground at the same time

[Ted Hughes]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

That's because Sulva and Yaya our far superior players to Nasri and Milner. It's just the way it is.

That maybe true, but I agree with Ted on the Nasri suffering because of Silva, we rarely see them light up the ground at the same time

They are bound to be superior players if they receive superior treatment though.

It would not surprise me to see Milner & Nasri, if given 40 games ahead of the other two, match them for effectiveness in City's team. But a shite game for Milner or Nasri, means curtains. A shite game for Silva or Yaya, means starting the next one in the same position, as if it never happened.

[iwasthere2012]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

That's because Sulva and Yaya our far superior players to Nasri and Milner. It's just the way it is.

That maybe true, but I agree with Ted on the Nasri suffering because of Silva, we rarely see them light up the ground at the same time

They are bound to be superior players if they receive superior treatment though.

It would not surprise me to see Milner & Nasri, if given 40 games ahead of the other two, match them for effectiveness in City's team. But a shite game for Milner or Nasri, means curtains. A shite game for Silva or Yaya, means starting the next one in the same position, as if it never happened.

I kind of see what you're saying and agree that nobody should be an automatic choice, but I don't think it's anything to do with superior treatment.
We tend to play Yaya/Nasri/Silva in the same side and most on here have agreed we can only really afford to play two of the three. None of them have been consistent, but when on form Yaya and Silva offer us more. Nasri has the ability to step it up a gear but doesn't, at least less consistently over the last few years. I would still say when he is fit, he is usually put in the team. Milner, whether we like it or not is not of the same technical ability of the other three.
I don't agree that the others should be picked automatically, but If Milner played 40+ games ahead of the two you mentioned, then unless we changed some of the other personnel in the squad, Ted I still couldn't see him being an upgrade. I'm not belittling what he does for the team, in saying that. I value his contribution quite highly, but he is not going to pull the strings constructively for our midfield.

[City64]

Seem to remember Nasri carving Utd to pieces when we gubbed em 4-1 at home in Sep 2013 as well.

The frustrating thing with Nasri is that he can do it in big games, but hes so bloody unpredictable you never quite know when or where itll happen.

Well Nasri has produced fuck all this year , we all know he has got it and has produced superbly in other seasons for us , same applies to Yaya ......... both have took the piss this season .

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think Nasri suffers from Silva.

He often becomes as good or better than Silva, when Silva isn't there imo, then gets shipped back to being like Silva's ugly helper & told to run about closing down & tracking back, which he usually does better than Silva. He does it, but I don't think he likes it.

I think he's done a great job for City, as has Yaya, but I won't cry if either goes, & I think one, but not both, probably should. But if there is pressure from the remaining one to play every week, then he should go as well.

Imo, for next season, we should be trying to create a situation where none of the 'go to' players are guaranteed a start in any game & indeed don't start in every big game.

We are used to seeing Milner or Nasri or Dzeko sat on the bench for a big occasion, but never Silva, Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, unless they are carrying an injury.

When we reach a point where that changes, then we know we have a really serious Champions League squad.

That's because Sulva and Yaya our far superior players to Nasri and Milner. It's just the way it is.

That maybe true, but I agree with Ted on the Nasri suffering because of Silva, we rarely see them light up the ground at the same time

They are bound to be superior players if they receive superior treatment though.

It would not surprise me to see Milner & Nasri, if given 40 games ahead of the other two, match them for effectiveness in City's team. But a shite game for Milner or Nasri, means curtains. A shite game for Silva or Yaya, means starting the next one in the same position, as if it never happened.

Give over Ted. I agree with most that you say but that is just nonsense.

[Ted Hughes]

Not at all.

Nasri has stepped up when Silva has been out & just because the team has been geared towards Yaya playing in it, doesn't mean it couldn't have been just as effective redesigned. The best we have ever played in Europe, was Roma away. Nasri scored a cracker & the midfield was the most soild it has ever looked in that competition.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Not at all.

Nasri has stepped up when Silva has been out & just because the team has been geared towards Yaya playing in it, doesn't mean it couldn't have been just as effective redesigned. The best we have ever played in Europe, was Roma away. Nasri scored a cracker & the midfield was the most soild it has ever looked in that competition.

Roma away was a GREAT result but up until the point when we scored ( a superb strike from Nasri granted) we had looked toothless.