Pellegrini's Mistakes

[ayrshireblue]

Injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, getting kicked or battered by an opposing player is not injury prone. I suppose in your eyes Luke Shaw is now injury prone because he got injured last night.
We were the better team and were never in danger of getting stuffed 4-0 you muppet.

Yes injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, and Aguero does keep picking up injuries. Hence, i believe he is injury prone.

I don't think Luke Shaw is injury prone because he broke his leg, you just conjured that out of thin air.

I never said it was likely we could've got beat 4 - 0. I'm saying that they scored 2 goals, had 2 - 3 good chances of their own, and I personally think our solitary goal was a foul. therefore, 'on another day' we could've got beat 4 - 0.

Muppet.

Aguero's injuries are not picked up they are being inflicted. If you can't understand this simple fact then there really is no point trying to explain anymore. His poor physiology problems are in the past and he is not injury prone anymore. In my eyes.

[City64]

Can we please put to bed that Aguero is injury prone. A few years ago yes, he had muscular problems and has since sorted them out. Since the start of last season he was out for 6 weeks after being caught between Besic and Barry with a damaged knee. On Saturday he got an almighty kick on the knee from Dann which caused some damage to his knee. These are not injuries but are blows which are damaging to the joint or muscle but are not due to being injury prone.
Sterling was kicked constantly on the calves by Chiellini et al which meant that he could no longer run at pace which nullified his threat last night.
I have seen us play better than last night but have also seen us play much worse. If Bony, Sterling or Silva had scored with any of the chances they had last night we would have been out of sight of Juventus. Instead they scored from a great ball in from Pogba which was a one in a hundred pass, then when Kolarov is running with his back to the ball it strikes him and falls perfectly for Morata who hits a tremendous shot which just went in off the post. We were the better team, despite what MacManamanananamanaman said, but Juventus took this half chances and we didn't take our golden chances.

It seems the term 'injury prone' is up for debate here. Your view is that unless it's the same injury re-occurring a player is not injury prone - which I can understand your view point. However in my humble opinion regardless of what injuries a player suffers, and what part of his body, if he is injured often then to me he is simply injury prone regardless if each injury is completely separate to the others.

Sometimes it can be down to how a player plays. Aguero for example has a low centre of gravity, is pretty rapid, likes to take on players, and rides challenges when needed. Not to mention he's also one of the best players in world football and would be very beneficial for opposing teams to 'take him out'. No wonder he gets injured a lot.

For me the performance last night was simply unacceptable. Bearing in mind we didn't even score our goal - Juventus did and was a blatant foul. And they also had one or two chances of their own in addition to their two goals. Two offsides were questionable when they were clean through, and Hart made a great save when he fell down to his left. On another day Juventus could've stuffed us 4 - 0.

Juventus of course are a great side, but they are not the team they were last year. Added to the fact we've added another 150+ million in talent to our side over the summer, whilst they lost Pirlo, Tevez and Vidal. Getting beat in the manner we did at home just isn't good enough.

OTT reaction , too much drama ! Have I already posted this ?

Breaking Bad is drama.

Highlighting my opinions on Pellegrini's mistakes and the fact I felt we weren't good enough, isn't.

Did Pellegrini make any mistakes ??? We were 1 nil up then should have been 2 up game over !!! We then switched off for 5 minutes and they scored , CL football is like a game of chess most of the time , it can be boring as fuck tbh . There no drama no OTT bullshit ......... West Ham Saturday CRACK ON !

[branny]

Juve were clinical, we weren't. Its as simple as that.

[edge275]

Injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, getting kicked or battered by an opposing player is not injury prone. I suppose in your eyes Luke Shaw is now injury prone because he got injured last night.
We were the better team and were never in danger of getting stuffed 4-0 you muppet.

Yes injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, and Aguero does keep picking up injuries. Hence, i believe he is injury prone.

I don't think Luke Shaw is injury prone because he broke his leg, you just conjured that out of thin air.

I never said it was likely we could've got beat 4 - 0. I'm saying that they scored 2 goals, had 2 - 3 good chances of their own, and I personally think our solitary goal was a foul. therefore, 'on another day' we could've got beat 4 - 0.

Muppet.

Aguero's injuries are not picked up they are being inflicted. If you can't understand this simple fact then there really is no point trying to explain anymore. His poor physiology problems are in the past and he is not injury prone anymore. In my eyes.

And I already explained to you that in my eyes a player is injury prone regardless of how or where the injuries are located, if they keep coming then a player is injury prone (in my opinion). Doesn't matter whether they are picked up or inflicted or whatever. Aguero has a habit of getting injured, I'm not sure how that is debatable?

I also explained that it can sometimes be down to how a player plays, getting injured more often down to that.

Let's agree to disagree. If you think we played fine and were unlucky, and Aguero isn't injury prone, that's fine. I believe differently.

[iwasthere2012]

How do you both feel about muffins.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

Aguero's injuries are not picked up they are being inflicted. If you can't understand this simple fact then there really is no point trying to explain anymore. His poor physiology problems are in the past and he is not injury prone anymore. In my eyes.

I completely agree with your comments, Ayrshireblue. The best example of an injury prone player would be Jack Rodwell, when he was at City. Rodwell had all kinds of recurrent muscle problems, that were not connected to attacks from opposition players, or impact injuries.

Recurrent hamstring pulls; muscle tears; ligament damage; groin strains; cartilage tears; are all physiological problems, that can result in players becoming injury prone.

That is completely different from impact leg injuries, which Aguero, Silva & Toure are all being specifically targeted for.
As you clearly stated, they're NOT injury prone... They're singled out for physical abuse, to eliminate their constant threat! They are also the 3 players who are usually most willing to run at the defenders with any speed & play in close spaces. Take those 3 players out of City's equation and the opposition instantly have a more level playing field.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

Yes injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, and Aguero does keep picking up injuries. Hence, i believe he is injury prone.

And I already explained to you that in my eyes a player is injury prone regardless of how or where the injuries are located, if they keep coming then a player is injury prone (in my opinion). Doesn't matter whether they are picked up or inflicted or whatever. Aguero has a habit of getting injured, I'm not sure how that is debatable?

You're playing a game of semantics, Edge275. A number of us choose to believe that there is a big difference between "injury prone" and "injury targeted." The major difference is that the refs could stop the targeting, if they did their job, by protecting City players from such recurrent attacks.

Why are players like Navas, Sagna, Mangala not "injury prone," as you define the term?
... It's because they're not considered goalscoring threats, like Aguero, Silva & Toure!

[edge275]

Yes injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, and Aguero does keep picking up injuries. Hence, i believe he is injury prone.

And I already explained to you that in my eyes a player is injury prone regardless of how or where the injuries are located, if they keep coming then a player is injury prone (in my opinion). Doesn't matter whether they are picked up or inflicted or whatever. Aguero has a habit of getting injured, I'm not sure how that is debatable?

You're playing a game of semantics. A number of us choose believe that there is a big difference between "injury prone" and "injury targeted." The major difference is that the refs could stop the targeting, if they did their job, by protecting City players from such recurrent attacks.

Why are players like Navas, Sagna, Mangala not "injury prone," as you define the term?
... It's because they're not considered goalscoring threats, like Aguero, Silva & Toure!

Aguero has picked up numerous injuries during his time with us. Some of them lengthy lay offs.

I claim he is injury prone.

You interject and claim it is 'injury targeted' and it is blasphemous to suggest he is 'injury prone'

Then proceed to claim that it is me playing a game of semantics?

Right ok.


For what it's worth I've just typed in google 'injury targeted' and no mention of that term being referred to any sports players whatsoever.

Meanwhile I typed in 'Aguero injury prone' and it came up with 30,500 results.


Anyway I can't be arsed anymore. Lets agree that Aguero is 'injury targeted' and hopefully he recovers from his target injury soon.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

For what it's worth I've just typed in google 'injury targeted' and no mention of that term being referred to any sports players whatsoever.
Meanwhile I typed in 'Aguero injury prone' and it came up with 30,500 results.
Anyway I can't be arsed anymore. Lets agree that Aguero is 'injury targeted' and hopefully he recovers from his target injury soon.

Certainly you can see the difference between Delph being injury prone and Aguero singled out for attacks?

The press might call Aguero, "injury prone"... The opposition's defenders all know that they are constantly attacking Aguero's knees, ankles, shins, etc! Maybe we should just create a new term for those attacks, that result in Aguero having to leave the pitch?...
The defenders have just "Agueroed" you, might work!

[Dameerto]

For what it's worth I've just typed in google 'injury targeted' and no mention of that term being referred to any sports players whatsoever.
Meanwhile I typed in 'Aguero injury prone' and it came up with 30,500 results.
Anyway I can't be arsed anymore. Lets agree that Aguero is 'injury targeted' and hopefully he recovers from his target injury soon.

Certainly you can see the difference between Delph being injury prone and Aguero singled out for attacks?

The press might call Aguero, "injury prone"... The opposition's defenders all know that they are constantly attacking Aguero's knees, ankles, shins, etc! Maybe we should just create a new term for those attacks, that result in Aguero having to leave the pitch?...
The defenders have just "Agueroed" you, might work!

He needs to wear some protection on his knees - and Silva should have some full calf protection too. Let the dirty bastids kick their protection then.

[Sideshow Bob]

both sides had good chances to score and the result could have gone either way. losing is not what worries me. what worries me is that we reverted to form with our slow tedious predictable lethargic and generally shit pass pass pass to nowhere rubbish. we had superior players but we played like complete fucking pussies. i blame pellers for that 100%.

[sheblue]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

He needs to wear some protection on his knees - and Silva should have some full calf protection too. Let the dirty bastids kick their protection then.

If they wear the kind of protection they'd need, to avoid such hostile attacks, I think that they might be playing American gridiron football, instead!

The match problems seemed less about Pellegrini's mistakes and mostly about too many City shots being slightly off target.

[zuricity]

Yes injury prone is where a player keeps picking up injuries, and Aguero does keep picking up injuries. Hence, i believe he is injury prone.

And I already explained to you that in my eyes a player is injury prone regardless of how or where the injuries are located, if they keep coming then a player is injury prone (in my opinion). Doesn't matter whether they are picked up or inflicted or whatever. Aguero has a habit of getting injured, I'm not sure how that is debatable?

You're playing a game of semantics. A number of us choose believe that there is a big difference between "injury prone" and "injury targeted." The major difference is that the refs could stop the targeting, if they did their job, by protecting City players from such recurrent attacks.

Why are players like Navas, Sagna, Mangala not "injury prone," as you define the term?
... It's because they're not considered goalscoring threats, like Aguero, Silva & Toure!

Aguero has picked up numerous injuries during his time with us. Some of them lengthy lay offs.

I claim he is injury prone.

You interject and claim it is 'injury targeted' and it is blasphemous to suggest he is 'injury prone'

Then proceed to claim that it is me playing a game of semantics?

Right ok.


For what it's worth I've just typed in google 'injury targeted' and no mention of that term being referred to any sports players whatsoever.

Meanwhile I typed in 'Aguero injury prone' and it came up with 30,500 results.


Anyway I can't be arsed anymore. Lets agree that Aguero is 'injury targeted' and hopefully he recovers from his target injury soon.

How many pages or advert references did you have to wade through on google before the wiki for "Injury targeted "?

Surely a dictionary would be quicker ?

[Tim777]

Pellers must be chuffed that the focus has been taken off him.

WAM, I'm uninspired by the lack of links in your above posts ;)
I agree, "injury prone" implies that one is an accident waiting to happen, and that's a huge difference to being targeted for injuries. Simples.
Perhaps the guilty parties have read this bit about Kun's recipe for anti-disaster and it stuffed their heads up (fact or fiction, he should have kept mum about it):
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ries-goals

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

How many pages or advert references did you have to wade through on google before the wiki for "Injury targeted "?

Surely a dictionary would be quicker ?

I'm not sure why anyone would waste time doing a search under, "injury targeted," since that term doesn't acutally exist... That's why I put it in quotes. Even if you search under, "Aguero was targeted with tackles," you still won't find much. It's the dirty, little secret that former footballers all like to talk about, from the past. Current defenders won't admit that they purposely hurt opposition players, for obvious reasons.

[WhyAlwaysMe?]

Pellers must be chuffed that the focus has been taken off him.

WAM, I'm uninspired by the lack of links in your above posts ;)
I agree, "injury prone" implies that one is an accident waiting to happen, and that's a huge difference to being targeted for injuries. Simples.
Perhaps the guilty parties have read this bit about Kun's recipe for anti-disaster and it stuffed their heads up (fact or fiction, he should have kept mum about it):
http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ries-goals

Sorry to be missing the links, at the moment!
Many thanks for sharing this excellent link and I suspect that Messi and a number of other City players are on the same diet, since they all look leaner! Micah Richards also said a diet change has helped him. I wonder if a new diet might help Fabian Delph to recover quickly, so we can see him back on the pitch soon.

[BmoreBlue]

both sides had good chances to score and the result could have gone either way. losing is not what worries me. what worries me is that we reverted to form with our slow tedious predictable lethargic and generally shit pass pass pass to nowhere rubbish. we had superior players but we played like complete fucking pussies. i blame pellers for that 100%.

this is far and away the bigger issue for me - I rate nasri more than most but I think at this point he needs to be used as a replacement/backup for silva at 10 only. we've seen what happens when we have pace on both sides of the pitch and end up with a balanced XI - I don't think it's a coincidence that navas has looked miles better with sterling on the other side. nasri keeps possession really well and rarely gives the ball away, but he also stands on the ball and stifles play - we look so much slower any time he's on the pitch.

for me we should only play navas/sterling/KDB on the wings, with silva/nasri central behind the striker as a plan A. bony and nasri are tremendous players to bring on late in the game when we're winning to provide outlets and keep possession, but put nasri on the wing and we slow down to a snail's pace and when a team wants to defend with 10, we're stuck trying to pick locks or have speculative efforts from 30 yards.

[nottsblue]

Imagine if Pellegrini had forseen events v Juventus and rested Aguero and one or two others v Palace, rather like the Juventus manager rested four of his best players in the preceding league fixture. Then imagine we didn't win v Palace. Imagine the stick he would have got for not picking the strongest side for the Palace game. Now, we have lost the opening Champions League game at home which is a bad result, but being realistic, we have more chance of winning the Premier League over the Champions League so maybe he is picking the best side in the Premier League first and foremost. Juventus finished the strongest as maybe they were a little fresher.

Having said that, the line between victory and defeat is marginal and we were just the wrong side of unlucky. Now, if we play the same formation and the same brand if slow, keep possession football in the upcoming Champions League games, then Pellegrini will deserve the shit that will come his way. Until then I have little to really complain about

[MilnersJaw]

It was crazy starting nasri ahead of Kevin pure and simple. Nasri has been shit for the last four years in the cl for us, why would last night be any different.

Slows everything down, shit bag and doesn't defend either.

Sterling finishing is shit to.