How long do we keep the status quo

[Grandad Rosler]

He is a dead man walking

Literally.

Can't be, the ones on walking dead are far more animated!

[DoomMerchant]

I'd like to see the press release announcing Ancelotti's arrival today.

Cheers

[Wonderwall]

Pellers still has nother 2.5 seasons according to Soriano's statement whehn he brought Pellers in

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... i-trophies

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Where does Soriano say that WW?

[Wonderwall]

Where does Soriano say that WW?

5 trophies in 5 years and he has only been here for 2.5yrs.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Where does Soriano say that WW?

5 trophies in 5 years and he has only been here for 2.5yrs.

As Soriano said that would be his plan for the club, that could mean one manager wins them 5 or it could 3 managers win them 5.

Pellegrini signed a 3 year deal initially, this was extended by 1 year last summer.

[patrickblue]

He'll be here at the end of the season. We'll win the league. Then he'll be gone.,

+1

[Hazy2]

A team reliant on one defender and a forward, with a lack of a plan B might win the league, I don't see it to be honest, the losses have exposed our problems. The manager has seen this before, does he have the answer NO, does he sense the danger no Walters or Adam surely was a red flag, the overload in MF the lack of a mobile partner for Ferna1 was plain stupid, for a top manager and was game over in 15 mins. Hughes and Klopp have targeted our lack of a solid base in midfield. Without respect for our failings this will undo us again, if Stoke had added 2 or 3 more he would be gone IMHO.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

He is a dead man walking and everybody knows it.

It depends on how it goes into the new year , if top 4 is looking under threat then I firmly believe the club will act.

Pep is coming and not being in the Chimps League is not an option.

Win the double and see how keen he is to pack it in at the end of the season, and I wonder whether the owners will be that keen to bin him off.
Not quite as clear cut as you suggest.

[Spurge]

Well I think the consensus seems to be that as long as pellers jumps out of his seat and waves his arms in the air a bit against Swansea on Saturday - like Klopp does then we should be ok.
If in the unlikely event it doesn't work then we're doomed......WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

[bayblue]

There's not another PL manager id prefer to Pellers right now.

Jose - third season blues for the third time - no coincidence surely

Klopp - virtually same record as Brendan but with a bigger smile

[zuricity]

There's not another PL manager id prefer to Pellers right now.

Jose - third season blues for the third time - no coincidence surely

Klopp - virtually same record as Brendan but with a bigger smile

Both have had their teeth capped ( btw the only caps they have !)

[DoomMerchant]

He is a dead man walking and everybody knows it.

It depends on how it goes into the new year , if top 4 is looking under threat then I firmly believe the club will act.

Pep is coming and not being in the Chimps League is not an option.

Win the double and see how keen he is to pack it in at the end of the season, and I wonder whether the owners will be that keen to bin him off.
Not quite as clear cut as you suggest.

I agree with that. If this undead cunt pulls one out of the fire and wins two pots he deserves whatever the fuck he's interested in tbf.

Cannot see it happening but the league is such abject shit this year that winning a double ought to be a fucking snip in some circles. Football is football and nothing's easy tho and we seem dead set to showcase that laboratory work once a month at least in profound fashion.

Cheers

[Hazy2]

I think tonight is Huge for Pellers. Our season is not stalled it is going the wrong way, he has his core players many of whom are out the rest are squad players and they know it. I am not one for change but I see the same old flaws. Lets be fair hear we should after our blistering start be 8 points clear, we are not, ok injuries have been cruel, the same players injured the same struggles. Different squad players, A forward and a centre half light, he knew that. Vinny and Sergio out we are lost. And last seasons win streak is a red herring the season was done and the league gone. Pellers been great, but he is not installing a pattern of play/a winning desire despite the problems he looks as he always does. The bench on Saturday, was a place of dead men with no idea what to do to stop Stoke, that has me concerned.

[Wonderwall]

Well I think the consensus seems to be that as long as pellers jumps out of his seat and waves his arms in the air a bit against Swansea on Saturday - like Klopp does then we should be ok.
If in the unlikely event it doesn't work then we're doomed......WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

He can do cartwheels or body pop for all I care as long as what he is doing is getting the players to react in the right way to a situation. Because just lately, they haven't been doing it themselves, they need to be told

[DoomMerchant]

Well I think the consensus seems to be that as long as pellers jumps out of his seat and waves his arms in the air a bit against Swansea on Saturday - like Klopp does then we should be ok.
If in the unlikely event it doesn't work then we're doomed......WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

He can do cartwheels or body pop for all I care as long as what he is doing is getting the players to react in the right way to a situation. Because just lately, they haven't been doing it themselves, they need to be told

Zacklee...

Look, it's this simple for me:

We don't have any grand summer signings that were massive fuckups and left holes in our team composition.
We have had injuries to our spine, which are harsh, but not to be unexpected given those player's injury history. Ess Normulll...
We have three fantastic CBs i feel in Vincent, Otamendi and Mangala.
We have one of the top 10 goalies in the world.
We have one of the top three strikers in the world.
We have two midfielders in David and Yaya who are once in a generation players in those roles i believe.
We have a burgeoning academy chock full of talent, a lot of which is at an age where they'd be starting matches for Southhampton or Spurs.
We have come from the factory shop floor to the penthouse in the last decade and won some stuff, in style.
We have a manager who hadn't won a major pot before he came to us, but has showed a classy style and a demeanor with the media that is admirable.
We have an economic model that is easily the fastest growth engine in world football which will rival Real Madrid, Barca and the Rags in the next 5 years.

When i add all that up...should i be happy with 3rd place in a shit league, and scraping by in 2nd in a reasonably tough CL group (worst case i suppose, but it's 90% nailed on for me)?

A: No. I shouldn't. It doesn't have to do with whether the Count can do a standing tuck when we score or whether the media reports that he broke something at halftime if we are down a goal...but i should FEEEEEEL better than i do right now about this team, in this moment. And i don't. The displays over the last month...Spurs, Scouse Rags, Rags even.

Our form in the league since end of Sept (after our "we've won the league and smashed it" euphoria after the first 5 matches) has been relegation form tbh. 14 pts from 28 i believe. And some serious, serious shithouse displays in there, which honestly recall Boro away if we're honest with each other. Absolute fucking capitulation, with no concrete reasoning behind it. At least with the Boro Bendover we had Sven's sacking which explained the team downing tools and tempered our panic and fears slightly.

Now, what do i have? A cold, blank, undead stare. A reliance on Bony, who's only ever proven this season that he's "not that fucking cunt" who can get it done. A classy young CB playing in Turkey when we're dying for a CB due to injury. Other youngsters on loan, or not given a shot to at least show some fucking passion and steel and "give a fuck" if not the guile we expect from a first team squad member. A blond Nasri smilingly instagramming his injury updates that takes the piss even more somehow.

This team needs a change...somehow, somewhere. It needs to happen quickly or this season will be lost, and maybe the owners are fine with that and have Pep lined up and they are all getting Costco sized jars of lube out so the Spafia and Pep can just have a footballing orgy starting next June. Good for them if so.

I, however, would like to see us smash this fucking shit league this year, because it's right there for the taking for anyone that wants to figure it out. Everyone has serious weaknesses and issues. And if the Rags somehow nick the league playing their bullshit it'll just make me want to fucking cry.

The Count loves his football. I do too. I love watching us swashbuckle around and smash 3 or 4 in. That's a requirement i believe stylistically. But the Count's naïveté about how to balance that with the "who gives a fuck on the pitch today" is the end of him for me.

Something's up with this team...and i dunno if they've turned on him over the Vinnie benching apres the Belgium matches or what, but something isn't fucking right, is it?

So go ahead and tell me that i'm overfucking reacting to "one bad result" or a poor couple displays all you want, but the actual facts show otherwise and until the ship is righted it's a reasonable dialog to wonder how long the Count can keep his job.

cheers

[dave watson's perm]

Spot on ^^

[iwasthere2012]

Well I think the consensus seems to be that as long as pellers jumps out of his seat and waves his arms in the air a bit against Swansea on Saturday - like Klopp does then we should be ok.
If in the unlikely event it doesn't work then we're doomed......WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

He can do cartwheels or body pop for all I care as long as what he is doing is getting the players to react in the right way to a situation. Because just lately, they haven't been doing it themselves, they need to be told

Zacklee...

Look, it's this simple for me:

We don't have any grand summer signings that were massive fuckups and left holes in our team composition.
We have had injuries to our spine, which are harsh, but not to be unexpected given those player's injury history. Ess Normulll...
We have three fantastic CBs i feel in Vincent, Otamendi and Mangala.
We have one of the top 10 goalies in the world.
We have one of the top three strikers in the world.
We have two midfielders in David and Yaya who are once in a generation players in those roles i believe.
We have a burgeoning academy chock full of talent, a lot of which is at an age where they'd be starting matches for Southhampton or Spurs.
We have come from the factory shop floor to the penthouse in the last decade and won some stuff, in style.
We have a manager who hadn't won a major pot before he came to us, but has showed a classy style and a demeanor with the media that is admirable.
We have an economic model that is easily the fastest growth engine in world football which will rival Real Madrid, Barca and the Rags in the next 5 years.

When i add all that up...should i be happy with 3rd place in a shit league, and scraping by in 2nd in a reasonably tough CL group (worst case i suppose, but it's 90% nailed on for me)?

A: No. I shouldn't. It doesn't have to do with whether the Count can do a standing tuck when we score or whether the media reports that he broke something at halftime if we are down a goal...but i should FEEEEEEL better than i do right now about this team, in this moment. And i don't. The displays over the last month...Spurs, Scouse Rags, Rags even.

Our form in the league since end of Sept (after our "we've won the league and smashed it" euphoria after the first 5 matches) has been relegation form tbh. 14 pts from 28 i believe. And some serious, serious shithouse displays in there, which honestly recall Boro away if we're honest with each other. Absolute fucking capitulation, with no concrete reasoning behind it. At least with the Boro Bendover we had Sven's sacking which explained the team downing tools and tempered our panic and fears slightly.

Now, what do i have? A cold, blank, undead stare. A reliance on Bony, who's only ever proven this season that he's "not that fucking cunt" who can get it done. A classy young CB playing in Turkey when we're dying for a CB due to injury. Other youngsters on loan, or not given a shot to at least show some fucking passion and steel and "give a fuck" if not the guile we expect from a first team squad member. A blond Nasri smilingly instagramming his injury updates that takes the piss even more somehow.

This team needs a change...somehow, somewhere. It needs to happen quickly or this season will be lost, and maybe the owners are fine with that and have Pep lined up and they are all getting Costco sized jars of lube out so the Spafia and Pep can just have a footballing orgy starting next June. Good for them if so.

I, however, would like to see us smash this fucking shit league this year, because it's right there for the taking for anyone that wants to figure it out. Everyone has serious weaknesses and issues. And if the Rags somehow nick the league playing their bullshit it'll just make me want to fucking cry.

The Count loves his football. I do too. I love watching us swashbuckle around and smash 3 or 4 in. That's a requirement i believe stylistically. But the Count's naïveté about how to balance that with the "who gives a fuck on the pitch today" is the end of him for me.

Something's up with this team...and i dunno if they've turned on him over the Vinnie benching apres the Belgium matches or what, but something isn't fucking right, is it?

So go ahead and tell me that i'm overfucking reacting to "one bad result" or a poor couple displays all you want, but the actual facts show otherwise and until the ship is righted it's a reasonable dialog to wonder how long the Count can keep his job.

cheers

I actually read all of that Doomie, which I have to admit I haven't been doing lately.
The surprising thing for me is......you make sense.
Not saying your conclusionvis correct....none of us know, but you're dead right about the bad feeling. Something is not right.
They are hard to fathom at the moment.
We've seen glimpses, even recently of what could and should be.
We know the football this squad are capable of but we don't see it being consistently delivered.
I do think the injury situation is pretty dire, but it can't explain the overall attitude on display at times.

Everytime I get that feelgood factor rising in me, I get a rude awakening like Saturday, that in all honesty, we can see coming from the time the team sheet is published.

I think a few youngsters with desire and a point to prove, is not that much of a risk.

If your regulars ate not performing, then it's time to give a kid a chance, in my opinion.

[nottsblue]

To be honest "the status quo" could also apply to the current first team squad. How long do we persist with tired players? Put a young lad in FFS. One thing is for sure, he will work his bollocks off in his big chance, make no mistake. Plus, it keeps the current squad on their toes knowing there is someone to take their place if they don't perform. Too many of our players seem to be going through the motions. They look dis-interested as if they couldn't care less. There was a word going round on here last spring to describe us, malaise. I fear that is coming back and it's not a good thing. Plus, if a lad performs, like Iheanacho has done then great, we have ready made alternatives.

Whether Pellegrini is the man to do this is debatable and I'm not sure he is. Though he may not have a choice after Christmas the way our injury luck is

[Ray78]

If we were mid table, not fighting for trophies, didn't have the injuries to our key players and on top of having to integrate the new signings then there isn't a problem introducing more EDS players. However, It is similar to last season and there will be far too much pressure placed on them for any manager's liking.