Back up keeper

[Mase]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

[Ray78]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

The answer would of been yes. Westwood has no European experience for starters.

[Ray78]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

The answer would of been yes. Westwood has no European experience for starters and has spent most of his top flight career in a relegation dog fight. Caballero has a couple winners medals as well (albeit earlier on his career) and is a keeper our current manager trusts.

[Slim]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

The answer would of been yes. Westwood has no European experience for starters and has spent most of his top flight career in a relegation dog fight. Caballero has a couple winners medals as well (albeit earlier on his career) and is a keeper our current manager trusts.

Let's get rid of Iheanacho then and resign Sibierski, he's got a hatrick against Arsenal in the CL you know.

And the winners' medals? At a club he spent 3 years at and had 15 appearances, so you're right...he has experience in winning medals from the bench, perfect back up.

As for relegation dogfight, well two points. Arguably Joe Hart's best season was at Birmingham, a team in a relegation dogfight. And if he is in a team that gets pummeled on a regular basis, you know he'll be getting put through his paces.

[Mase]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

The answer would of been yes. Westwood has no European experience for starters and has spent most of his top flight career in a relegation dog fight. Caballero has a couple winners medals as well (albeit earlier on his career) and is a keeper our current manager trusts.

Let's get rid of Iheanacho then and resign Sibierski, he's got a hatrick against Arsenal in the CL you know.

And the winners' medals? At a club he spent 3 years at and had 15 appearances, so you're right...he has experience in winning medals from the bench, perfect back up.

As for relegation dogfight, well two points. Arguably Joe Hart's best season was at Birmingham, a team in a relegation dogfight. And if he is in a team that gets pummeled on a regular basis, you know he'll be getting put through his paces.

I was going to use Jesper Blomqvist having a Champions League Winners medal, but yes you beat me to it.

[Ray78]

Westwood would be a poor choice.

Is he worse than Willy?

The answer is no.

The answer would of been yes. Westwood has no European experience for starters and has spent most of his top flight career in a relegation dog fight. Caballero has a couple winners medals as well (albeit earlier on his career) and is a keeper our current manager trusts.

Let's get rid of Iheanacho then and resign Sibierski, he's got a hatrick against Arsenal in the CL you know.

And the winners' medals? At a club he spent 3 years at and had 15 appearances, so you're right...he has experience in winning medals from the bench, perfect back up.

As for relegation dogfight, well two points. Arguably Joe Hart's best season was at Birmingham, a team in a relegation dogfight. And if he is in a team that gets pummeled on a regular basis, you know he'll be getting put through his paces.

Caballero is still the better choice in squad terms and when he won his medals he stepped in when required at Boca (as well as winning the 2001 Youth World cup as first choice). Hart performed better in his loan spell at Birmingham City (they finished comfortably mid-table) than throughout Westwood's time at Sunderland. If you are talking about an replacement for Hart then I would agree we would of signed a better keeper than Caballero, but the club stayed loyal and brought in a player our current manager has worked and done a very good job in the process.

[Slim]

Caballero is still the better choice in squad terms and when he won his medals he stepped in when required at Boca (as well as winning the 2001 Youth World cup as first choice).

Yes, in 2003, he certainly won some medals including the league, stepping in when required.
GK Roberto Abbondanzieri 1710' 19 19 - - - 2 - -
GK Willy Caballero - - - - - - - - -
That's minutes, appearances, starts and the 2 is yellow cards, but the rest doesn't really matter as they both did equally as well.

Let's not for the Copa Libertadores which he won the same year.
Roberto Abbondanzieri 1260' 14 14 - - - 3 - -
Willy Caballero - - - - - - - - -
As you can see, another huge contribution from the cup winner there.

As for the 2001 Youth World Cup:
1 GK Germán Lux
18 GK Wilfredo Caballero

Funny how they give the number one choice the number 18 shirt. He played in the final, that much is true against the lethal partnership of John Mensah and Derek Boateng who combined for a total of 4 goals in the tournament. They did however face Maxi Rodriguez and Javier Saviola who had a combined total of 17 goals. Any guesses on how that match panned out? The other match he played in(which were his only two internationals EVER) they won 5-0, bet he did a heap of work in that one too.

[Ray78]

Caballero was Argentina's first choice for that tournament (number is irrelevant). And more recently he played a part in Malaga's recent success.

[Slim]

Caballero was still a promising keeper.

You said he stepped in when required, he didn't.

You said he was first choice for Argentina U20's, he wasn't.

His contribution to Boca and Argentina's success is barely existent(in Boca's case, it's literally zero) and I think had Ustari been a couple of years older, he'd never have a single appearance for Argentina at any level.

[Ray78]

Caballero was still a promising keeper.

You said he stepped in when required, he didn't.

You said he was first choice for Argentina U20's, he wasn't.

His contribution to Boca and Argentina's success is barely existent(in Boca's case, it's literally zero) and I think had Ustari been a couple of years older, he'd never have a single appearance for Argentina at any level.

Cabllero had performed better when it came to playing in La Liga.

[Slim]

Caballero was Argentina's first choice for that tournament (number is irrelevant). And more recently he played a part in Malaga's recent success.

Okay, you've changed the post, but I'll reply to this too.

Lux was first choice in the tournament and dropped after 5 games for reasons quite unknown to this day. Argentina won all 5 games and had just come off a 3-1 win against France. If you saw the tournament you'd understand how amazing the Argentine attack was, I thought D'Alessandro was going to be the next big thing in football, he was the architect of everything. Also Collocini was playing and looking like a superstar, not to mention Maxi and Saviola who were devastating. To this day it's one of my all-time favourite tournaments, so when I tell you I didn't even know Caballero was playing, you'll understand how little an impact he made.

[Slim]

Caballero was still a promising keeper.

You said he stepped in when required, he didn't.

You said he was first choice for Argentina U20's, he wasn't.

His contribution to Boca and Argentina's success is barely existent(in Boca's case, it's literally zero) and I think had Ustari been a couple of years older, he'd never have a single appearance for Argentina at any level.

Cabllero had performed better when it came to playing in La Liga.

Of course, what did he win in La Liga again?

[Ray78]

Caballero was still a promising keeper.

You said he stepped in when required, he didn't.

You said he was first choice for Argentina U20's, he wasn't.

His contribution to Boca and Argentina's success is barely existent(in Boca's case, it's literally zero) and I think had Ustari been a couple of years older, he'd never have a single appearance for Argentina at any level.

Cabllero had performed better when it came to playing in La Liga.

Of course, what did he win in La Liga again?

The same amount as Ustari and Abbondanzieri but the difference Caballero's club finished higher in the table.

[Slim]

Caballero was still a promising keeper.

You said he stepped in when required, he didn't.

You said he was first choice for Argentina U20's, he wasn't.

His contribution to Boca and Argentina's success is barely existent(in Boca's case, it's literally zero) and I think had Ustari been a couple of years older, he'd never have a single appearance for Argentina at any level.

Cabllero had performed better when it came to playing in La Liga.

Of course, what did he win in La Liga again?

The same amount as Ustari and Abbondanzieri but the difference Caballero's club finished higher in the table.

The same amount I'm guessing as Westwood.

[Ray78]

Caballero was Argentina's first choice for that tournament (number is irrelevant). And more recently he played a part in Malaga's recent success.

Okay, you've changed the post, but I'll reply to this too.

Lux was first choice in the tournament and dropped after 5 games for reasons quite unknown to this day. Argentina won all 5 games and had just come off a 3-1 win against France. If you saw the tournament you'd understand how amazing the Argentine attack was, I thought D'Alessandro was going to be the next big thing in football, he was the architect of everything. Also Collocini was playing and looking like a superstar, not to mention Maxi and Saviola who were devastating. To this day it's one of my all-time favourite tournaments, so when I tell you I didn't even know Caballero was playing, you'll understand how little an impact he made.

Argentina still needed their keeper to perform in that tournament and in comparison to Westwood had been the more consistent keeper as well at his club.

[Slim]

Caballero was Argentina's first choice for that tournament (number is irrelevant). And more recently he played a part in Malaga's recent success.

Okay, you've changed the post, but I'll reply to this too.

Lux was first choice in the tournament and dropped after 5 games for reasons quite unknown to this day. Argentina won all 5 games and had just come off a 3-1 win against France. If you saw the tournament you'd understand how amazing the Argentine attack was, I thought D'Alessandro was going to be the next big thing in football, he was the architect of everything. Also Collocini was playing and looking like a superstar, not to mention Maxi and Saviola who were devastating. To this day it's one of my all-time favourite tournaments, so when I tell you I didn't even know Caballero was playing, you'll understand how little an impact he made.

Argentina still needed their keeper to perform in that tournament and in comparison to Westwood had been the more consistent keeper as well at his club.

His club is Manchester City, he's played 6 times this season and kept 0 clean sheets. Consistent.

Last season he was a little more erratic, he played 7 times and kept 1 clean sheet, fucker let himself down, but we did win the game 7-0 against Wednesday, so we can forgive that.

You are missing all kinds of actual points, even though your irrelevant points were wrong. I don't care what he did 14 years ago and I certainly don't care about medals he earned from the bench. What I care about is City and the fact we're sinking one of our 17 squad spots on a player that could be replaced by any of a half dozen players in this league alone who'd do just as good a job. Not only that, but someone like Ruddy or Westwood or Krul wouldn't take a homegrown spot, which means we wouldn't be naming only 21 players to the Champion's League squad. It means we'd have Nacho as backup for our 2 strikers and actually have an option on the bench and some flexibility in our formation.

That's the only thing that matters, to argue about a fucking youth world cup that happened in 2001 is the very definition of grasping at straws.

[Ray78]

Are we not in the semi finals of the Capital one Cup with Caballero as the first choice? The sides sides that we had played this season had given us major problems in the league fixtures, and one fielded their strongest line up. And if you want to look at the negatives his record is one league defeat and two cup defeats. And the keepers you have mentioned aren't better than our current second choice and wouldn't of helped Hart at all. And If the club wanted to replace Hart then they would of replaced him with a better keeper than Caballero.

[Slim]

Are we not in the semi finals of the Capital one Cup with Caballero as the first choice? The sides were sides that we had played this season had given us major problems and fielded their strongest line up. And if you want to look at the negatives his record is one league defeat and two cup defeats. And the keepers you have mentioned aren't better than our current second choice. If the club wanted to replace Hart then we would sign a better keeper.

Missing the point much?

They don't have to be better than him, they aren't worse than him and come with other benefits as listed before.

[Ray78]

Are we not in the semi finals of the Capital one Cup with Caballero as the first choice? The sides were sides that we had played this season had given us major problems and fielded their strongest line up. And if you want to look at the negatives his record is one league defeat and two cup defeats. And the keepers you have mentioned aren't better than our current second choice. If the club wanted to replace Hart then we would sign a better keeper.

Missing the point much?

They don't have to be better than him, they aren't worse than him and come with other benefits as listed before.

The people in charge of City thinks otherwise and it is their judgement that counts a lot more than what the rest of us think (same with the rest of the squad).

[Slim]

Are we not in the semi finals of the Capital one Cup with Caballero as the first choice? The sides were sides that we had played this season had given us major problems and fielded their strongest line up. And if you want to look at the negatives his record is one league defeat and two cup defeats. And the keepers you have mentioned aren't better than our current second choice. If the club wanted to replace Hart then we would sign a better keeper.

Missing the point much?

They don't have to be better than him, they aren't worse than him and come with other benefits as listed before.

The people in charge of City thinks otherwise and it is their judgement that counts a lot more than what the rest of us think (same with the rest of the squad).

haha, you've just thrown out the footballing equivalent of Godwin's Law.

If you are going to hold to that point, then what the fuck are you doing here participating in any discussion? You think Carl's of the opinion Mangala will be sold because he bitches about him? Or that Kolarov will be knighted, given the captaincy and a blowjob from Kate Upton because Mase worships him?

The door's over there, feel free to shut it on your way out.

Or stick around, every single time you make a point about what the club should or shouldn't do, the response will be "The people in charge of City thinks otherwise and it is their judgement that counts a lot more than what the rest of us think". I think I'll macro it just for you.