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Postby RodneyRodney » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:32 am

Another great column by Martin Samuel here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3787806/Europe-s-elite-shafting-poor-enjoy-Leicester-City-can.html

Leicester versus Bruges is the tie of this Champions League round, from the neutral perspective. Not one of those stellar occasions, all super coaches and superstars, but new names and fresh faces.
Later in the tournament, a familiar gathering of Europe's grand dames will face off for the umpteenth time. For now, we're all waiting to see how Leicester do.
But make the most of it. By the time the great Champions League carve-up has reached its end game, there will be about as much chance of Leicester breaking through in Europe as — well, Leicester improving on last season here.

The hijack by the ranks of the entitled is worse than we ever imagined. It involves not just the useless giants of Milan, whose misplaced sense of entitlement is now inversely proportional to their talent, but that friend of the underdog David Gill, a man whose every move seems to benefit his club, Manchester United, and their wealthy circle of friends.
Gill was among those who worked on the logistics of the Champions League cycle that will begin in 2018-19. And you'll never guess who comes out greatly advantaged from that evaluation.
But first, Italy, the biggest winners in this new shake-up. The basics you already know. Serie A will soon have four teams, guaranteed, in the Champions League group stage, despite a quite disastrous record in the play-offs.
As of now, Italy get three teams into the tournament, except in six of the last seven seasons an Italian entrant has fallen in the preliminary elimination rounds.
Yet the rich kids of Serie A, the underachieving Milan clubs first among them, have made enough threats of a European breakaway in recent months to rattle rudderless UEFA.

So, from the season after next, half of the group stage places will be split between four countries: Spain, England and Germany — whose clubs tend to make the necessary progress through the play-offs — plus over-rated Italy.
A country that can barely merit three teams at elite level will now be entitled to one more, and no play-off required.
Yet, as with much of what UEFA do, the devil is in the details. And what details they are. On page 11 of the UEFA document announcing the new cycle, the extent of Italy's gain can be found; or, to be precise, the extent of the gain for one club: AC Milan.
That Giorgio Marchetti, UEFA's director of club competitions, should be one of the prime movers in the reorganisation of the Champions League co-efficients is no doubt purely coincidental.
Marchetti was born in Luino, north of Milan, was educated in Milan, and supports Milan. Not that he will have let that cloud his thinking when plotting this new course — or allowed Milan's enormous self-regard to skew the competition in their favour.
On one sheet is the current co-efficient ranking table, which uses the period from 2011-12 to 2015-16 and is based on current form. This shows Milan in 25th place in Europe. They have fallen behind not just the continent's aristocracy but some lesser royalty, too. Basle. Manchester City. Tottenham. Athletic Bilbao.

Underachieving AC Milan stand to be among the big winners of the new tournament format
Against this list is another table, showing the positions after the new co-efficients have been calculated, over the same period. Milan are now ninth. And what did Milan actually achieve in that five-season spell to warrant this 16-place leap? Nothing.
Domestically, Milan came second in 2011-12 and third in 2012-13 — and then collapsed. A dramatic slide down the table saw them finish eighth, 10th and seventh last season.
Their European form confirms the same downward spiral. Champions League quarter-finalists in 2011-12, defeated by Barcelona. Out to Barcelona again the following season, this time in the last 16 and beaten 4-0 at Nou Camp. And then, season 2013-14, Milan's last in Europe. A 5-1 aggregate humiliation by Atletico Madrid in the last 16, including home and away defeats. Since when, nothing.
Milan have failed to qualify for Europe in the last two seasons over which UEFA's co-efficients were calculated. They are not involved again this year, either.
They finished four points adrift of Italy's final Europa League qualifier, the mighty Sassuolo. And yet, there they are, up 16 places on the back of half a decade in the wilderness.
In one mighty act of bureaucratic skulduggery, Milan leapt over what they would regard as their inferiors, the little big clubs: Arsenal, Manchester City, Valencia, Schalke, Sevilla, Zenit St Petersburg, Porto, Napoli, Bayer Leverkusen, Basle, Manchester United, Shakhtar Donetsk, Athletic Bilbao, Tottenham and Olympiacos.
And they didn't even have to be good enough to get into Europe to do it.

Giorgio Marchetti (right), UEFA's director of club competitions supports AC Milan
How? History. Milan have succeeded in getting ancient success included in the co-efficients. They get credit for being good more than half a century ago. All clubs will under UEFA's scheme to protect the existing European order. Points are now awarded for winning European trophies, no matter when. Bigger points for recent successes, plainly, but even Milan's first European Cup win in 1963 counts.
You know those clubs who bang on about their storied history to compensate for recent failures? Now their blather is vindicated. Thanks to UEFA — and the elite cabal they placed in charge of this reimagining of fairness — what Benfica achieved when Eusebio was playing remains relevant in the modern era.
Also up 13 spots under the new co-efficient system are Liverpool — from 35th to 22nd, despite never having won the Premier League, or a European trophy since 2005. Celtic have risen 16 slots.
The big fallers? Well, that's not hard to work out, either. All those smaller clubs that have had the temerity to be successful recently, with new money. Villarreal, down 14 places; Manchester City, 11th to 16th; Paris Saint-Germain, seventh to 10th; Napoli, 17th to 20th; Atletico Madrid, down one; Athletic Bilbao, down eight.
England's representative in this grand carve-up was Gill and — surprise, surprise — Manchester United rise from 20th to 12th under the new system, despite failing to qualify for the Champions League in two of the last three seasons. How Gill is still regarded as a credible presence in football administration, heaven knows.

Now, what Benfica achieved when Eusebio was playing remains relevant in the modern era
He recommended the Football Association back the discredited Michel Platini for UEFA president — and what a delight that he will speak at UEFA's congress today, despite being banned from all football activity — and every move he makes seems to be for the financial benefit of the biggest clubs, and one in particular.
Manchester United made a pig's ear of the succession to Sir Alex Ferguson, and have reached the last eight of the Champions League once since appearing in the final in 2011.
But no matter. Along comes Gill to make it right, and ensure they stay above Manchester City in one table at least. City are 11th, United 20th in the current system. Thanks to Gill and his cohorts, United flip to 12th, City plummet to 16th.
And the chicanery does not stop there. Not only have Europe's established order carved up the seedings, they have redistributed the money like latter-day Robin Hoods — if the Merry Men had dedicated their lives to shafting the poor to put a new wing on the Sheriff of Nottingham's castle.
UEFA negotiate individually for television rights in each country. Obviously, a broadcaster in, say, Latvia cannot pay as much as one in Germany. So each country reaches a unique television deal and then the clubs from that country take a 40 per cent share of the rights. So English clubs claimed 40 per cent of the BT deal, while those from La Liga received the same cut of the contract with Atresmedia, TV3 and beIN Sports. Except football rights are at a premium in England.
So THE BT deal accounted for £1billion of UEFA's £2.4bn pot. And, with England claiming 40 per cent of that, it made the rest of Europe jealous.
So, in the new cycle of Champions League wealth distribution, the 40 per cent slice has been reduced to 15 per cent. That in itself is no bad thing. Wealth redistribution for European competition is long overdue. Far more money should go to each domestic league to keep the competition healthy.

David Gill's every move seems to benefit Manchester United and their wealthy friends
It is ridiculous that UEFA's largesse can as good as kill domestic football, as has been allowed to happen in countries such as Belarus where BATE Borisov are now close to unstoppable.
But that is not how this is going to work. The other 85 per cent is going to be returned to the market pool of competing clubs and will be split according to — you guessed it — UEFA co-efficient.
So the big winners out of the English television deal will be those clubs who have been bumped up the table by historic success, plus the existing giants of the European game — deserving causes such as Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
Having struck inferior deals for their domestic product — because their greed has made their own leagues uncompetitive — they have redressed the balance by grabbing a slice of the Premier League wedge. But it's not a renegotiation. It's a heist. A perfect crime.

The established order of Real Madrid and the top teams are also set to benefit
Just when new investment was threatening to level the field, as has happened in England, the wealthy established order have found a way of enhancing their status yet again.
They don't even have to be good at football. Just good once. In black and white. On the way to their first European Cup final win over Benfica, Milan defeated Union Luxembourg (14-0), Ipswich (4-2), Galatasaray (8-1) and Dundee (5-2). They get co-efficient points for that feat now.
So it is a raid. A smash and grab cooked up by the traditional elite and their little helpers — men like Gill and Marchetti — to keep the rich richer, leave the poor poorer, and stop any new names making a claim for what they see as theirs by right. So Leicester should enjoy the sights of Bruges tonight.
From here, it is all stacked against them in a way it simply wasn't in the Premier League last season. That's why miracles still happen in English football — and carve-ups hold sway across UEFA's Europe.
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:01 am

Great article again by Samuels.

Mentioned in another thread that this would be another nail in the coffin of the CL. This piece just reaffirms that. It is just grand larcenary on an approved scale.

I hope the boos ring out loud and true tonight at the anthem. Hopefully other clubs will follow suit
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby Scatman » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:09 am

Heartbreaking stuff
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby patrickblue » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:23 am

It's bloody disgusting.
Again it's real football supporters who suffer for the sake of the armchair dwelling sheep.

TBH, I wish they'd just all fuck off and play in their crappy European super league.

Corrupt bunch of bastards.
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby City64 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:28 am

Barca fans booed during the CL anthem last night ! Fuck all made of it by the media though , funny that innit !
Not really here

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Postby Bianchi on Ice » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:50 am

Scum will pull every trick in the book to reverse any downturn in their performances on the pitch, which if there was any fairness is the place where it should all begin and end, across the board and with no other considerations.Sadly this mirrors much of the way things 'work' in the world we live in.The fact that they would pull a stunt like this is no surprise...they are merely doing what others do in other walks of life, protecting their own interests to the detriment of others.
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Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:14 am

You would have thought they would have lost some of their clout in Uefa circles, well the Italians anyway
They clearly haven't
City and sniffing knickers.
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Postby Fullartj » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:21 am

Yeah I heard the Barca fans boing as well and not one mention of it anywhere.

It looks as though if this super league will happen at some stage in the near future. I can see there being a real backlash against it as football has really gone from something for the working class man to the super rich.
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Postby john@staustell » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:01 pm

Corruption pure and simple. Those involved should be locked up which, given the current climate in sport, is not entirely beyond the bounds of possibility

Edit - I see the anti-establishment man won the election. Hopefully he'll sort the cunts out
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby Original Dub » Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:48 pm

So the booing has to continue for as long as the clear corruption does.

It's panning out EXACTLY as I though it would. The money came in to our club and Gill immediately made plans to get a foothold in UEFA because he knew they couldn't compete on a level playing field further down the line.

FFs if I could see it that far back, then where the fuck are the legal teams on this??
First Financial FAIR Play and now this.

It doesn't take Johnny Cochran to put this baby to bed.

Pisses me right off.
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Postby iwasthere2012 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:14 pm

Just a word to Cutemancs who does the view from the away end piece each game.
Do you have a list of similar fan forums to send this piece by Samuel to.

I'd love to know what the rest of the league make of what is going on. Do they just accept the shite they are force fed in the media or do they have any savvy as to what is really going on in the professional game.

Personally if something like this gets through I would be close to giving up on the game altogether, but would still love us to win their corrupt CL competition first, just to ram it down their throats.
I would love to know what fans of teams that will never be given the opportunity to compete, think of the blatant cronyism.
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Postby JamieMCFC » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:14 pm

Original Dub wrote:So the booing has to continue for as long as the clear corruption does.

It's panning out EXACTLY as I though it would. The money came in to our club and Gill immediately made plans to get a foothold in UEFA because he knew they couldn't compete on a level playing field further down the line.

FFs if I could see it that far back, then where the fuck are the legal teams on this??
First Financial FAIR Play and now this.

It doesn't take Johnny Cochran to put this baby to bed.

Pisses me right off.


What legal action do you honestly think the club can take? People always ask why where is the legal team or why don't we take them to court. Maybe our legal team know there is nothing that can be done about it or just maybe the fact we can't take this through the normal courts because it would be to damaging to the club in the long run.
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby aaron bond » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:16 pm

The new UEFA president, Aleksander Ceferin, says looking at the new Champions League changes will be a priority for him.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37359863

New president Aleksander Ceferin said Uefa must show Europe's big clubs who is in charge as he made Champions League reforms his first priority.

Ceferin, 48, beat Michael van Praag 42-13 in the poll to become the new head of European football's governing body.

Uefa and European clubs last month agreed changes to the Champions League, which critics said favour bigger clubs.

Slovenian Ceferin said his organisation should show the clubs "we are the ones who are the governing body".

Under the reforms announced last month, Europe's top four domestic leagues will be guaranteed four places each in the group stages of the Champions League from 2018-19.

The European Professional Football Leagues (EPFL), which represents the continent's 24 domestic football leagues, called on Uefa to scrap the proposals, claiming national leagues will suffer.

"It will be the first thing to deal with," said Ceferin, who succeeds Michel Platini following his resignation after being banned from all football activity last year.

"Uefa is a very good, strong organisation. It was without leadership for some time and that was a problem dealing with this.

"We have to speak and have dialogue with the clubs and I think it can be solved."

Ceferin, who has been the head of the Football Association of Slovenia since 2011, takes on the remainder of Platini's term of office, until 2019.

The lawyer said Financial Fair Play rules - introduced, in Uefa's words, to "improve the overall financial health of European club football" - should be enforced more strongly.

He added there was "a lot of work to do", citing match-fixing, security and safety, and racism as issues to address.

England's Football Association last week declared its support for Van Praag, who - unlike Ceferin - is a member of Uefa's executive committee.

The Scottish Football Association said it would vote for the Slovenian.

After the vote, FA chairman Greg Clarke said he was happy to work with Ceferin, and welcomed his his clear mandate.

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Postby Wonderwall » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:19 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:Just a word to Cutemancs who does the view from the away end piece each game.
Do you have a list of similar fan forums to send this piece by Samuel to.

I'd love to know what the rest of the league make of what is going on. Do they just accept the shite they are force fed in the media or do they have any savvy as to what is really going on in the professional game.

Personally if something like this gets through I would be close to giving up on the game altogether, but would still love us to win their corrupt CL competition first, just to ram it down their throats.
I would love to know what fans of teams that will never be given the opportunity to compete, think of the blatant cronyism.


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Postby iwasthere2012 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:24 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:Just a word to Cutemancs who does the view from the away end piece each game.
Do you have a list of similar fan forums to send this piece by Samuel to.

I'd love to know what the rest of the league make of what is going on. Do they just accept the shite they are force fed in the media or do they have any savvy as to what is really going on in the professional game.

Personally if something like this gets through I would be close to giving up on the game altogether, but would still love us to win their corrupt CL competition first, just to ram it down their throats.
I would love to know what fans of teams that will never be given the opportunity to compete, think of the blatant cronyism.


If you look at our site fixture list click on opposition team badge it takes you to their forums


If I get some time I might draft something generic and send a few. I presume you just introduce yourself same as anyone new on here.
If I was to do that WW. would anybody in here have objections to me doing so or would you all want to see a draft first?
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby Original Dub » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:39 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
Original Dub wrote:So the booing has to continue for as long as the clear corruption does.

It's panning out EXACTLY as I though it would. The money came in to our club and Gill immediately made plans to get a foothold in UEFA because he knew they couldn't compete on a level playing field further down the line.

FFs if I could see it that far back, then where the fuck are the legal teams on this??
First Financial FAIR Play and now this.

It doesn't take Johnny Cochran to put this baby to bed.

Pisses me right off.


What legal action do you honestly think the club can take? People always ask why where is the legal team or why don't we take them to court. Maybe our legal team know there is nothing that can be done about it or just maybe the fact we can't take this through the normal courts because it would be to damaging to the club in the long run.


I believe you're closer to the mark with the fact that the club don't want to be seen as challenging the rules. This was evident in their approach to Financial "fair" play (Whoever thought up that name truly was a genius - who's going to be the club to challenge "fairness")

TBH I'm more pissed off with the obvious attempts to gain unfair advantages using unfair rules. I know our owners will always know how to combat it, but prevention is better than cure and it's about fucking time UEFA had someone in charge that calls bollox on ANYTHING that gives some clubs an unfair advantage over others, merely because of their name and the fact they have people in the organisation.
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:40 pm

The CL is already the Super League people fear....it's just about how to close ranks within the context of the alleged platform of "champions" that it represents, fraudulently.

Sure i'd jism all over myself if we won it, but honestly i'd rather win the League all day long. And an FA Cup trek where i got to see some old friends at Wemberley? That'd be more fun for me than playing one of the three corrupt cunt fucks who are likely to be in every final ever again, and hoping on hope that the fix wasn't in to make sure they beat us.

I don't trust shit about the CL and sadly it's a cash cow we need to do well in but it's not a fun competition for the most part...unless we're winning. Ahem.

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Postby Dameerto » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:28 pm

And Pep wants us to take this competition (and it's organiser by implication) seriously... I would have a very hard time avoiding booing even though I know what he's trying to do and build.
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Re: Fat Cats carve-up

Postby Wonderwall » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:34 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:Just a word to Cutemancs who does the view from the away end piece each game.
Do you have a list of similar fan forums to send this piece by Samuel to.

I'd love to know what the rest of the league make of what is going on. Do they just accept the shite they are force fed in the media or do they have any savvy as to what is really going on in the professional game.

Personally if something like this gets through I would be close to giving up on the game altogether, but would still love us to win their corrupt CL competition first, just to ram it down their throats.
I would love to know what fans of teams that will never be given the opportunity to compete, think of the blatant cronyism.


If you look at our site fixture list click on opposition team badge it takes you to their forums


If I get some time I might draft something generic and send a few. I presume you just introduce yourself same as anyone new on here.
If I was to do that WW. would anybody in here have objections to me doing so or would you all want to see a draft first?


You go for it. If you want to take the time and make the effort, then good on you. Nice to see!
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Postby sheblue » Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:39 pm

This is UEFA we are talking about, sickening. Very sadly corruption is inevitable.
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