patrickblue wrote:According to radio 5, Celtic have said they won't stand in the way if Arse approach Brenda.
john68 wrote:When David Deane was in charge, Arsenal were a football club. They competed for the best players in the transfer market and successfully chased titles playing pretty decent football.
Mase wrote:john68 wrote:When David Deane was in charge, Arsenal were a football club. They competed for the best players in the transfer market and successfully chased titles playing pretty decent football.
They competed for the players that weren’t the best but had the most potential. Fabragas, Henry, Freddie L, Pires, etc - most of those players weren’t being chased by a number of clubs when Arsenal got them.
You look at Rooney, Ferdinand, players like that - Arsenal were never capable of buying them. They’d rather go for a Francis Jeffers who had the potential. Richard Wright. Reyes. And so on. There was a reason Arsenal got them.
Cocacolajojo wrote:Mase wrote:john68 wrote:When David Deane was in charge, Arsenal were a football club. They competed for the best players in the transfer market and successfully chased titles playing pretty decent football.
They competed for the players that weren’t the best but had the most potential. Fabragas, Henry, Freddie L, Pires, etc - most of those players weren’t being chased by a number of clubs when Arsenal got them.
You look at Rooney, Ferdinand, players like that - Arsenal were never capable of buying them. They’d rather go for a Francis Jeffers who had the potential. Richard Wright. Reyes. And so on. There was a reason Arsenal got them.
You're both right in a sense. Wenger was groundbreaking in his scouting methods so he bought players with great potential or who were thought to be over the hill when they weren't. So, to be sure, they were competing for the best players but I also think Mase is right, they could not afford (or chose not to spend, either way they weren't involved for some reason) to go for the players who everyone realized was good, only those that most didn't realize were good. I also remember reading an article many years ago that stated that Arsenal spent a disproportionate share of their wages on young players compared to other teams so that was seemingly also a strategy of theirs, to pay young players good money so as to get an advantage over their opponents.
But then the other teams emulated Wenger's scouting methods and developed them further. The likes of us and Chelsea started putting much more money into our youth teams. And the likes of Pep developed football further, partially building on Wenger's ideas. And Wenger didn't develop much further.
I know a lot of people here didn't like what Neville had to say when we beat Arsenal in the League Cup Final but he was right when he said that Arsenal had now even lost their footballing appeal, I.E. they weren't that nice to watch anymore. IMO, it's because the rest of the teams caught up and then developed beyond. Wenger didn't regress, football progressed.
john68 wrote:When David Deane was in charge, Arsenal were a football club. They competed for the best players in the transfer market and successfully chased titles playing pretty decent football.
When the Kroenkes took over, the business model changed. No longer chasing titles, top four was necessary, they chased profit. No longer competed for the best players, they bought youth chesaply and relied on Wenger to coach it to a level.
The strategy served them well for mqany years. Make top four, remain in the CL Pot 1, get a relatively easy group and at that point see what happened, whilst the owners picked up the cash..........pots and pots of it.
Wenger was complicit in all that, overpaid for a job with limited ambition from his bosses.
The rise of City and our resources threatened their previous easy ride stategy, so they became vociferously anti City in public and viscious in their opposition to City in private. It was they and the rags that coerced the Prem to bring in the domestic FFP.
Personally, I couldn't give a flying fuck about the whinging twat. he allowed Arsenal to become what it has become without a whimper or any moralbackbone. He took the money and shut the fuck up, Whilst defending their lack of success in public.
Glad he's gone.
What will change?...Absolutely nothing. The Kroenkes will employ another puppet to control, whilst they try and work out how best to maximise their profit having failed to see off the threat of having City and Spurs usurping their position and a L'Pool revival that could see them out of the CL for many years.
Tokyo Blue wrote:Glad to see the back of the hypocritical, City-hating, money-grabbing shitbag.
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