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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:34 pm

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nottsblue wrote:Seen an article today in the Sun about FFP rearing its head again. Apparently clubs are to be limited to a net spend of £90M per season. The headline includes us and PSG. No surprise there.

But the last laugh is now on us as with the Academy now bearing fruit, it isn't us who are at the risk of falling foul of this.


The Aguero situation could be a problem and perhaps the Fernandinho one as well. Apart from that, I think we are pretty well set and won't need any huge acquisitions in the next few seasons.

Think a replacement for Fernandinho will be in the region of £50M. Aguero on the other hand.
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Re: Football Media

Postby mr_nool » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:39 pm

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mr_nool wrote:
nottsblue wrote:Seen an article today in the Sun about FFP rearing its head again. Apparently clubs are to be limited to a net spend of £90M per season. The headline includes us and PSG. No surprise there.

But the last laugh is now on us as with the Academy now bearing fruit, it isn't us who are at the risk of falling foul of this.


The Aguero situation could be a problem and perhaps the Fernandinho one as well. Apart from that, I think we are pretty well set and won't need any huge acquisitions in the next few seasons.

Think a replacement for Fernandinho will be in the region of £50M. Aguero on the other hand.


I meant more in the case that we need to replace two or more of our spine in one window/season.
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:54 pm

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nottsblue wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
nottsblue wrote:Seen an article today in the Sun about FFP rearing its head again. Apparently clubs are to be limited to a net spend of £90M per season. The headline includes us and PSG. No surprise there.

But the last laugh is now on us as with the Academy now bearing fruit, it isn't us who are at the risk of falling foul of this.


The Aguero situation could be a problem and perhaps the Fernandinho one as well. Apart from that, I think we are pretty well set and won't need any huge acquisitions in the next few seasons.

Think a replacement for Fernandinho will be in the region of £50M. Aguero on the other hand.


I meant more in the case that we need to replace two or more of our spine in one window/season.

Well that could be a problem if this FFP gets off the ground. I wonder if its actually a way to stop transfer fees getting even higher. Though i reckon Aguero probably has a year extra on Fern so we may not sign both replacements in a single window
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:06 pm

nottsblue wrote:Seen an article today in the Sun about FFP rearing its head again. Apparently clubs are to be limited to a net spend of £90M per season. The headline includes us and PSG. No surprise there.

But the last laugh is now on us as with the Academy now bearing fruit, it isn't us who are at the risk of falling foul of this.

Heard a little on the radio and I think they said £89 million (100 mil euros) net loss in one season. Whichever it is, it's there to once again cement the current old guard at the top and ensure that they get the most revenue. Double whammy with the introduction of historical seeding when it comes to CL payments.

Heard that the Dippers got approx 70 mil from the CL last season but if they did the same this season it would jump to approx 120.

There's only one loser in all this, and it's the majority of clubs that are historically outside of the old guard.

Corrupt? You fucking bet it is and they're not ashamed to let everybody know it.
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Re: Football Media

Postby london blue 2 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:08 pm

Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878
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Re: Football Media

Postby Original Dub » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:25 pm

london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dameerto » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:33 pm

Original Dub wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.

Clubs are compelled (I think by the FA or maybe the Premier League?) to publish 'tickets sold' per game - police are compelled (for health and safety reasons) to keep actual matchday attendance figures. It keeps coming up in the media every now and then, usually to beat us around the head with the discrepancy.
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Re: Football Media

Postby South Stand Balti » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Dameerto wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.

Clubs are compelled (I think by the FA or maybe the Premier League?) to publish 'tickets sold' per game - police are compelled (for health and safety reasons) to keep actual matchday attendance figures. It keeps coming up in the media every now and then, usually to beat us around the head with the discrepancy.

Strangely, Merseyside police are not compelled to hold that data and were therefore unable to publish it. The game we played against Southampton was apparently attended by 38k according to the police. I was at that game and there was a lot more than 38k there. One of us is lying.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dameerto » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:50 pm

South Stand Balti wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.

Clubs are compelled (I think by the FA or maybe the Premier League?) to publish 'tickets sold' per game - police are compelled (for health and safety reasons) to keep actual matchday attendance figures. It keeps coming up in the media every now and then, usually to beat us around the head with the discrepancy.

Strangely, Merseyside police are not compelled to hold that data and were therefore unable to publish it. The game we played against Southampton was apparently attended by 38k according to the police. I was at that game and there was a lot more than 38k there. One of us is lying.

They held it, for certain. Publishing it is something else though.
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:03 pm

South Stand Balti wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.

Clubs are compelled (I think by the FA or maybe the Premier League?) to publish 'tickets sold' per game - police are compelled (for health and safety reasons) to keep actual matchday attendance figures. It keeps coming up in the media every now and then, usually to beat us around the head with the discrepancy.

Strangely, Merseyside police are not compelled to hold that data and were therefore unable to publish it. The game we played against Southampton was apparently attended by 38k according to the police. I was at that game and there was a lot more than 38k there. One of us is lying.

A discrepancy of 15000 or so punters is equivalent to the main stand being completely empty with the rest of the ground full. Be gobsmacked if that was the case.
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Re: Football Media

Postby South Stand Balti » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:29 pm

nottsblue wrote:
South Stand Balti wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:Don't like this piece from the BBC. Basically our attendance numbers are bullshit.

Rags on the other hand....

Football club attendances: Are fans getting the full picture? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878


The BBC are very selective in their "news" pieces. They're just behind the mirror at the moment.

Clubs are compelled (I think by the FA or maybe the Premier League?) to publish 'tickets sold' per game - police are compelled (for health and safety reasons) to keep actual matchday attendance figures. It keeps coming up in the media every now and then, usually to beat us around the head with the discrepancy.

Strangely, Merseyside police are not compelled to hold that data and were therefore unable to publish it. The game we played against Southampton was apparently attended by 38k according to the police. I was at that game and there was a lot more than 38k there. One of us is lying.

A discrepancy of 15000 or so punters is equivalent to the main stand being completely empty with the rest of the ground full. Be gobsmacked if that was the case.

Absolutely and the discrepancy is about 17k. It doesn't have any balance as a story either. It's only a sample of games and only a sample of clubs.......agenda based.
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Re: Football Media

Postby london blue 2 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:37 pm

I find it laughable that we are down 7500 on average yet scum manage to convince everyone that thier figures exactly match the published figures. Something not right there.

Average attendances per club
Club (% of capacity) FOI (% of capacity) Difference (% of capacity)

West Ham 55,309 (97%) 42,779* (75%) 12,530 (22%)
Man City 53,274 (97%) 45,792* (83%) 7,482 (14%)
Southampton 29,906 (92%) 25,660 (79%) 4,246 (13%)
Tottenham 61,843 (69%) 58,103 (65%) 3,740 (4%)
Chelsea 40,593 (98%) 37,088** (89%) 3,505 (8%)
Watford 20,319 (95%) 17,171*** (80%) 2,602 (15%)
Man Utd 73,575 (98%) 73,575* (98%) 0 (0%)
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Re: Football Media

Postby City64 » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 pm

So the rags attendancies are 100% correct according to the BBC and the bent Merseyside Police who never see anything don't have records of anything LFC ?
Right ok flawed BBC bullshit yet again , loads and loads of empty seats at the swamp last season because the football is fucking boring shite and LFC and Merseyside are jointly corrupt as fuck but heyho both clubs are the key BBC clickbait audience ......... fuck off BBC !
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:56 pm

london blue 2 wrote:I find it laughable that we are down 7500 on average yet scum manage to convince everyone that thier figures exactly match the published figures. Something not right there.

Average attendances per club
Club (% of capacity) FOI (% of capacity) Difference (% of capacity)

West Ham 55,309 (97%) 42,779* (75%) 12,530 (22%)
Man City 53,274 (97%) 45,792* (83%) 7,482 (14%)
Southampton 29,906 (92%) 25,660 (79%) 4,246 (13%)
Tottenham 61,843 (69%) 58,103 (65%) 3,740 (4%)
Chelsea 40,593 (98%) 37,088** (89%) 3,505 (8%)
Watford 20,319 (95%) 17,171*** (80%) 2,602 (15%)
Man Utd 73,575 (98%) 73,575* (98%) 0 (0%)

Read the article this morning and it's basically a load of bullshit aimed at the click-bait Rags in order for them to try and beat us with. We've already seen that the Rags ain't full and it was reported as fact a couple of years back yet the Beeb seem to somehow get figures that say they are full every game. It's obviously sanctioned by a Rag and written by a Rag for the Rags. This is what happens when you have the Swamp across the way.

Some f the figures for us are ridiculous as you can't even imagine those games against Spurs and Liverpool weren't 99% full. Yes, we will be down in occasions due to individual personal circumstances but to the tune of 10s of thousands, you're having a laugh. Don't get me wrong, when I moved to Colin Bell 3 in the mid 00s there were plenty of seats empty, and you'd see lots in the East Stand, but that soon changed and ever since it's always been near enough full.

The biggest question for me is why they have to declare tickets sold rather than actual attendance? Is there something in the Sky/PL contract that says there could be sanctions if the clubs aren't getting over a certain percentage of bums on seats that it affects the contract. Such as, if Sky/BT is having an adverse effect on the match day fan then the packages to be shown on TV for the next contract are decreased?

Oh, and as talked about on here, we had a what looked like full house for a game last year yet it was reported that we were about 6 or 7 thousand fans short. There didn't look an empty seat in the house so it must be a reporting issue.

As for the article, the Beeb have gone out of their way, under the guidance of the ex-MUTV boss, to try and put us down again with the only thing that they think they can hurt us with. It's pathetic that the Beeb can do this but yet again, like all the sordid stuff that went on in the past, they just carry on regardless.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:50 pm

The police published some figures about the rag attendances about 3 years ago. they were down 10-15 thousand in some games and cup games were worse. Seems Jose's scintillating football has got them flocking back. The BBC is a propaganda outfit across all its outlets involving everything from news to politics to sport. It cannot be trusted to be honest about what day of the week it is.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Wooders » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:10 pm

Anyone got this sinking feeling that this premier league footballer who’s been charged with rape of a minor is gonna end up being associated with us somehow
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:31 pm

Wooders wrote:Anyone got this sinking feeling that this premier league footballer who’s been charged with rape of a minor is gonna end up being associated with us somehow

Qué?
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:37 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:The police published some figures about the rag attendances about 3 years ago. they were down 10-15 thousand in some games and cup games were worse. Seems Jose's scintillating football has got them flocking back. The BBC is a propaganda outfit across all its outlets involving everything from news to politics to sport. It cannot be trusted to be honest about what day of the week it is.

Interesting, isn't it. Even the match going Rags won't believe that as I know from a first-hand source who admits to their being many empty seats. Like I said earlier, it's normal, and always has been, for people not to turn up, but it seems the RBC has gone full tilt and we can't now trust a thing it says.

I've wondered for a while now why when people do this FoI shit, they use the Police for that info rather than going to the club?
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Re: Football Media

Postby mr_nool » Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:00 am

Am listening to this week's episode of a Swedish Premier League pod cast and of course they bring up the BBC report and swallow it whole without any criticism or reflection. The host also claimed that there are far more United supporters than City supporters in Manchester and claimed that City are presenting inflated numbers because we are a propaganda project. Sigh ...
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Re: Football Media

Postby Wooders » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:12 am

mr_nool wrote:Am listening to this week's episode of a Swedish Premier League pod cast and of course they bring up the BBC report and swallow it whole without any criticism or reflection. The host also claimed that there are far more United supporters than City supporters in Manchester and claimed that City are presenting inflated numbers because we are a propaganda project. Sigh ...

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