Captain for the final / next season

[Fesan]

Honestly, if I were manager (you wish...;) and I got the feeling Tevez would play worse given that I've chosen to give Kompany the armband I'd bench him (Tevez).

As was mentioned before being upset because someone else gets the armband and letting that affect your performance is excactly the reason why someone should not have it.

He's the captain....not on an ad hoc basis. He was appointed captain at the start of the season. The only time someone else should lead the team out is when he is unavailable to start or doesn't start.

I didn't say he'd willfully play worse, my point is that he is clearly an emotional guy...it very well might get to him and detract from his performance and purely due to that risk (allied to the fact that I cannot remotely see Vinnie being bothered) that I would not choose to have another player lead us out

I respect your opinion, but I disagree:-)

I think the team has looked ALOT more solid since he took over the armband. I believe the match he did marked a turnaround in form, not all because of him ofcourse... but I think he has steered the general attitude of the team and I think we look more solid as of late. Now I agree that maybe Tevez will be better if he gets the 'band. But in my opinion our team spirit and structure will be better with Kompany and I believe that is more important to bring home the Cup:-)

Too bad we'll never know what both scenarios would have brought eh!

P.S Teams have surely changed captain midseason before? I mean a permanent switch? It's not written in stone that if you're chosen come start of the season you'll be cappy cap for the remainder of it?

[ant london]

I respect what you're saying mate but this is not "changing the captain mid-season" is it

This is our most prolific striker and foremost goal threat, playing in what may be his "swansong" and in a match that we absolutely have to win.

I think in these circumstances the longer-term issues around team spirit and togetherness go out of the window somewhat. All of those playing will want players with them on the pitch who can win the game and for those players to be absolutely focussed on doing so.

Tevez, whatever you may think about what has happened around xmas and what may still happen, my argument is that it is very unwise to potentially destabilise the player who could win this game out of nothing for us.

[bluenoon]

i think neither kompany nor tevez will give a fuck about the armband DURING the game, theyll both give 100% either way. best leave it for carlos if he should start or the media will pick it up and make a big deal out of it. "tevez disgracefully stripped off his captaincy" yawn

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

Don't rock the boat before this match.

Tevez if fit, VK if not.

VK for next season. Of he says he wants to leave then I'd give it Platt,just to see what happens, like.

[Lee_R]

If Tevez starts tomorrow and VK is captain I think we can take it for certain that Tevez is off in the summer. Personally I think he will be on the bench and VK will captain the team. In either case VK for captain next season and NDJ vice.

[Fesan]

i think neither kompany nor tevez will give a fuck about the armband DURING the game, theyll both give 100% either way. best leave it for carlos if he should start or the media will pick it up and make a big deal out of it. "tevez disgracefully stripped off his captaincy" yawn

The time on the pitch is not what worries me, it is the 15 mins between the halves where VK made the team get their shit together with a roaring speach vs Utd so we came out and won the semi, where as Carlos' contribution more likely is limited to "Yes, my english is better yes?".

I don't care who has the armband but I am afraid VK would not have made that speach in the semi out of respect for the captain, and afraid he might not do it again if we are having a tough time the first half vs Stoke.

I clearly see your points though and even though I am leaning towards VK does not mean I cannot see the reasons for giving it to Tevez:-)

Here is to us being up 4-0 by halftime so all this halftime speach thing is not that neccesary! Cheers

[The Original Special One]

The Boy Nigel for me
Apart from the fact that he's been our most consistent player for the past seasons and been an inspirational figure, it would seriously piss off not only other Premier League teams but also The Meeja

[Bluedj]

Well I've a feeling Tevez will start on the bench, which will mean Kompany leading the team out.

That said, IF Tevez is leaving, then I don't see the problem with him captaining the side if he starts. He has successfully lead us to where we are now and irrespective of why he wants to leave ( the word Judas in this context is beyond fucking silly), he more than deserves to finish the job he has already done 99% of.

If its him holding the cup aloft, I don't see why we shouldn't be proud.

What a player.

Kompany will be our captain next season and for years to come I'd imagine, so there's no need for silly sentiment on the most important day of my lifetime as far as city are concerned.

I absoloutely second your words. Spot on!

[Beefymcfc]

Do people honestly think that Vinny should've been made Captain back at the start of the season?

Fuckin' hero's!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Do people honestly think that Vinny should've been made Captain back at the start of the season?

Fuckin' hero's!

I thought we had long winded discussions about this and I seem to remeber that was majority view even back then.

Maybe someone could do topic search.

Edit. Found it.

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=34519&p=200374&hilit=captain#p200374

[Original Dub]

Vinny is the only obvious choice...he gives everything to this club...on the pitch and OFF THE FUCKING PITCH.
He is what a true captain should be............people wanting Tevez to be captain really need to fucking bang their heads against a spiky wall.

Tevez has captained us to where we are now, whilst being the best player at the club, whether it annoys you or not.

Calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy right before the ultimate game of the season tells me you've already been banging your head against a spikey wall.

Sentiment over sense.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Vinny is the only obvious choice...he gives everything to this club...on the pitch and OFF THE FUCKING PITCH.
He is what a true captain should be............people wanting Tevez to be captain really need to fucking bang their heads against a spiky wall.

Tevez has captained us to where we are now, whilst being the best player at the club, whether it annoys you or not.

Calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy right before the ultimate game of the season tells me you've already been banging your head against a spikey wall.

Sentiment over sense.

Interesting that in above link you are against Tevez captaincy. So obviously you were wrong about him then. Or not?

[Original Dub]

Vinny is the only obvious choice...he gives everything to this club...on the pitch and OFF THE FUCKING PITCH.
He is what a true captain should be............people wanting Tevez to be captain really need to fucking bang their heads against a spiky wall.

Tevez has captained us to where we are now, whilst being the best player at the club, whether it annoys you or not.

Calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy right before the ultimate game of the season tells me you've already been banging your head against a spikey wall.

Sentiment over sense.

Interesting that in above link you are against Tevez captaincy. So obviously you were wrong about him then. Or not?

Sorry mate, I don't get you?

I think Tevez is the best player I've seen at City in my lifetime. I followed his career closely before he ever joined us and he was always one of my favourite players.

I never thought of him as captain, but he's captained us to where we are now this season and I don't see why he should be stripped on Cup Final day - a competition (like the premier league) where he's scored more goals than any other player.

Mancini chose not to strip him after that row so I don't see why he should be stripped now?

For next season, I'd go for either De Jong or Kompany.

Does that help at all?

[Swales4ever]

Nobody can't claim to be a Blue, either a proper breed and born or just a fucking foreing gloryhunting italian bastard, if he's not capable of a good whine at the manager [whoever being the gaffer].

For all the reason debated in the thread quoted above by the Finn troll, VK SHOULD had been made SKIPPER this summer. It's a no brainer, being the BIG MAN not only a natural born leader but also the most finely educated and deep thinker, possibly of all profesional footballers. I wont be surprised should he track the steps of Platini and become a Ruler of the game in 25 years time, maybe boosted by a stand out career full of honours won dressing the Sky Blue Shirt.

I see where the pick of Carlos Tevez came from: the attempt to keep involved a world beater inspite of all his structural weakness (a Kia Tool, totally unsettled in Britain, with no language and colture to by applied in seeking to keep him involved in the project through reasoning).

A real pitty, because if he just had been capable to develop a bit of self awareness to assist his big heart, he would have been not only a great goalscorer but one of the game's greatest ever. Also considering the great opportunities he have refused to take advantage of, having been coached by Fuck SAF and Bobby Manc, 2 of the finest players' developers ever.

IF SIR VINCENT wont be pictured while lifting the first of the many trophies to come at CoMS, it will not only be a shame and a pity, but an historical mistake that RM will always bear.

[Fesan]

I see the point of him captaining us to where we are this season... Only I don't feel he has. He's wore the band but not been a captain IMO. Not clearly led the team, other than by example.

A few people have worn the band in his abscence but none have lead IMO, untill it was given to Vinnie the King.

This is all based on what we've seen on the pitch and a few media rumors so if Tevez actually HAS led and the rest of the team liked him as cap. Then he should keep it for the last three games:-)

[Original Dub]

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
De Jong will not be regular on this side in the future so therefore pointless appointment.

Good man Antti :)

[bluenoon]

Vinny is the only obvious choice...he gives everything to this club...on the pitch and OFF THE FUCKING PITCH.
He is what a true captain should be............people wanting Tevez to be captain really need to fucking bang their heads against a spiky wall.

Tevez has captained us to where we are now, whilst being the best player at the club, whether it annoys you or not.

Calling for him to be stripped of the captaincy right before the ultimate game of the season tells me you've already been banging your head against a spikey wall.

Sentiment over sense.

are we here because or despite him being captain or does it even matter that much??

his goals have carried us where we are now. i am with you he should not be stripped of it but should he of gotten it in the first place?? imo not. he is a great player but a shabby captain lets face it he doesnt even speak english.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
De Jong will not be regular on this side in the future so therefore pointless appointment.

Good man Antti :)

I'm not sure he will be. I still have a feeling Mancini will be looking for more positive outlook next season or at least season after that. De Jong STILL offers very little going forward but is good at breaking the opposition play. EXACTLY what I said there.

In all seriousness, I will raise my hands up when I'm wrong which has been the case numerous times. But I am far from convinced De Jong is starter three years from now. Even as a cult hero that he (rightly) is. Having said that, I'm sure Barry will be replaced before him.

[Esky]

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
De Jong will not be regular on this side in the future so therefore pointless appointment.

Good man Antti :)

I'm not sure he will be. I still have a feeling Mancini will be looking for more positive outlook next season or at least season after that. De Jong STILL offers very little going forward but is good at breaking the opposition play. EXACTLY what I said there.

In all seriousness, I will raise my hands up when I'm wrong which has been the case numerous times. But I am far from convinced De Jong is starter three years from now. Even as a cult hero that he (rightly) is. Having said that, I'm sure Barry will be replaced before him.

Can count on one hand the amount of times I've disagreed with you but I will here. For me, his passing's improved out of sight in the past 12 months. Without being over the top about it, he's become a lot more positive and his long range balls have been fantastic at times.

Can't see any system where he'd be displaced, really. Real have Lassana Diarra, Barca Mascherano, Chelsea Mikel/Essien/Makeleke, etc, etc. Barry or Yaya's roles could change but we'll always need someone like NDJ.