Newcastle...could do better..

[Bianchi on Ice]

..than Pardew.
Strong rumours he's about to get the push.
Not sure what ashley is up to with the club...I like newcastle and id like to see them up there challenging but the bloke doesnt seem to be interested in that. Ive never rated pardew though and if they went and hired moyes it would be a small step in the right direction...I think wee davey would do ok there..

what is your view?

[freshie]

I think Moyes will get the job. He'll probably do well with them

[BlueinBosnia]

Contracted until the end of the 2019-20 season. Any kind of severance package would severely dent a potential transfer kitty for an incoming manager.

[Bianchi on Ice]

Contracted until the end of the 2019-20 season. Any kind of severance package would severely dent a potential transfer kitty for an incoming manager.

ah, the contract. Who knows if ashley has clauses in there that mean he doesnt pay up in full?...for someone seemingly so prudent and reluctant to back his manager with funds it would seem odd to pay him a fortune to fuck off...but as I said, I dont get ashley

[Dubciteh]

Contracted until the end of the 2019-20 season. Any kind of severance package would severely dent a potential transfer kitty for an incoming manager.

ah, the contract. Who knows if ashley has clauses in there that mean he doesnt pay up in full?...for someone seemingly so prudent and reluctant to back his manager with funds it would seem odd to pay him a fortune to fuck off...but as I said, I dont get ashley

he could of sacked him after the headbutt for gross miscounduct and chose not to, i dont think he will now, i actually dont think they can do better than pardew, there about right for each other.

[Ted Hughes]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

[Clowncrete]

He is keeping them in the league and getting a profit each year (probably) by buying cheap french players and selling them. Ashley is clearly a "businessman" and not a football man. Money in his pocket, why would he care? Ambition? lol.

[Tony P]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

I would argue then that the only way to improve to the next level, then, is to massively invest.

[Nigels Tackle]

mike ashley has the club passing all the ffp rules with flying colours

[Benjay]

If you are an also ran in the Premier League - ie no hope of getting europe - then to be honest it is a success to keep your team in this league with games to spare. So as much as Pardew and Hughes are twats they deserve some credit. What do Newcastle expect? It was over expecting that ultimately got them relegated. Ditto Charlton (as another example). There are only 5 places up for europe so frankly comfortably staying in the league is success. That's why we think Brian Horton was ok and Alan Ball was shit.

[Ted Hughes]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

I would argue then that the only way to improve to the next level, then, is to massively invest.

Unless you already have money then absolutely, you need outside investment.

That's why UEFA are putting a stop to it. The Champions League was not designed for the likes of Newcastle or City, it was intended that the traditional big money clubs would float to the top.

[nottsblue]

Not so sure they could do better. They had BFS, got rid and got relegated. I don't buy into this myth they are a 'massive club'. Won one trophy since beating us at Wembley in 55. Yes they get big gates but so what. So do lots of other Prem teams. It is conveniently forgotten prior to Keegan they were languishing at foot of League 2 getting 15000 if they were lucky.

Reckon Pardew might well stay for a while. He's safe in that they won't go down and to be honest i reckon thats the top and bottom of it for most chairmen

[Alioune DVToure]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

Don't quite agree re: Hughes. He was fairly sensible at Fulham and overly cavalier at QPR, but he seems to have found a nice balance at Stoke - at once improving their football and pulling them up the league. Some of the players he's brought in have looked brilliant. Ireland is looking confident again - getting on the ball and probing - and Arnautovich (sic) is top notch. £2 million they paid for him!

Odemwingie has done very well too.

I think Stoke will be looking at finishing in the top eight next year.

[Ted Hughes]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

Don't quite agree re: Hughes. He was fairly sensible at Fulham and overly cavalier at QPR, but he seems to have found a nice balance at Stoke - at once improving their football and pulling them up the league. Some of the players he's brought in have looked brilliant. Ireland is looking confident again - getting on the ball and probing - and Arnautovich (sic) is top notch. £2 million they paid for him!

Odemwingie has done very well too.

I think Stoke will be looking at finishing in the top eight next year.

I don't mean that Hughes is like Sam or Pulis, I mean that he has missed his chance to go up a level & will now be concentrating on the best way to get Stoke to reach 8th ie: mid table football. That will be his career mapped out & Moyes will probably be battling alongside him. When these guys have had a chance to put their theories into practice at a higher level Prem team, for whatever reasons, they have all missed the opportunity, same with Fat Sam at Newcastle, Pearce at City, Woy at Liverpool.

People always ask why they don't get a chance at bigger clubs, but when they do, they can't take it.

Be interesting to see what Diego Simeone would make of the Newcastle job.

[ross.mcfc]

I don’t understand the shit Pardew is getting at Newcastle. Yes he is a prick but you probably have to be in his position.

He has had all his best players sold from under him. He was not given money to challenge for Europe or a Cup.

If you give me those scenarios at the start of the season I would say a top half finish is a job very well done. Newcastle fans should be careful for what they wish for. Another manager under the same circumstances may have taken them into a relegation dog fight.

[dazby]

Totally agree Ross. What a tough job. No signings for 18 months yet expected to compete.

[Alioune DVToure]

Pardew is a waste of time imo. But they haven't been relegated. If the right bloke came in & did everything just right, then I'm sure Newcastle could do better, but the wrong bloke, taking a few risks to try & get them up a level, could easily get them demoted instead.

I don't buy into the idea that Pulis or Fat Sam are great managers who have a fantastic method of rescuing clubs. They just play safe & take few risks & accept their limitations; that's how they 'succeed'. Curbishley was the same at Charlton & as soon as they fired him, they disappeared.

Moyes is another one. Probably an improvement on Pardew but another who can keep you happily mid table. Martinez can take Everton higher than Moyes did, but if things went pear shaped, Moyes would be more likely to survive than Martinez imo.

Moyes blew his chance, Pardew is probably blowing his & Hughes has become the same after blowing his big chance.

Britain & Ireland now produce mid table managers, even the better ones end up there. Rodgers will probably get found out eventually.

Don't quite agree re: Hughes. He was fairly sensible at Fulham and overly cavalier at QPR, but he seems to have found a nice balance at Stoke - at once improving their football and pulling them up the league. Some of the players he's brought in have looked brilliant. Ireland is looking confident again - getting on the ball and probing - and Arnautovich (sic) is top notch. £2 million they paid for him!

Odemwingie has done very well too.

I think Stoke will be looking at finishing in the top eight next year.

I don't mean that Hughes is like Sam or Pulis, I mean that he has missed his chance to go up a level & will now be concentrating on the best way to get Stoke to reach 8th ie: mid table football. That will be his career mapped out & Moyes will probably be battling alongside him. When these guys have had a chance to put their theories into practice at a higher level Prem team, for whatever reasons, they have all missed the opportunity, same with Fat Sam at Newcastle, Pearce at City, Woy at Liverpool.

People always ask why they don't get a chance at bigger clubs, but when they do, they can't take it.

Be interesting to see what Diego Simeone would make of the Newcastle job.

Fair enough, but I reckon Hughes could do a decent job for Spurs (I think the job he did for us is still open to reappraisal, but that's a dangerous road to go down on this website). Let him sell off the five or so misfits and reinvest the cash on 10-12 more considered purchases over three transfer windows. He might sign one or two duffers but they're low-risk at that price. If he were to uncover 5-6 players like McCarthy, (Blackburn-era) RSC, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dembélé and Arnautovic, Spurs would be laughing. Whatever else can be said about him, he has an excellent track record of making signings in the £2-8m bracket. Perfect for a team which needs some rebuilding.