What's wrong with Vincent Kompany?

[Ted Hughes]

I don't get the Lescott love in that a lot seem to be party to, that's not to say that I don't like him, I think he's a half decent player but still can't get it out of my head that I'm waiting for the permanent Lescott replacement

If anyone has any stats to back up how shit hot he actually is please pass them on

Just look up the opta stats for defenders for last season & he is one of the best in the country & therefore in Europe. It's all out there & it's not rocket science to understand.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

As i said, this all comes down to the system we used. Vinnie played in that 3-5-2 where he was shite, but so was every defender we had, except Clichy.

Vinnie was as shit as Zabs, Kolo, Lesco and so on.

I've watched him play with Belgium this three games (including the friendly they had in august) and he was FLAWLESS. The same Vinnie we know and love.

The problem is that he isn't used to what Bobby wants from our defence.

If you're right on this, I find that very worrying.

A player of Vinnie's ability should be able to adapt his game.

It's not as if this three at the back is completely alien to him. Doug has made reference to Mancini experimenting with three at the back in training for about 2 years now.

I don't believe this is the problem though, I just think he's a slow starter and has yet to hit his form this season.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Drop him?????

Hahahahaaha sometimes you guys really crack me up,the Captain plays unless he is injured as he is the best defender in the league he has got a young family plus he is going through a bit of a rough patch he will come through the other side.

What the fuck has having a young fucking family got to do with his shit form?

[london blue 2]

Drop the guy that scored "that" goal... the guy that lifted the premier league trophy last season... Whoever is suggesting that should be banned.

[Swales4ever]

Nothing.
players are human beings, hence subject to drop form for countles reasons circumstances.
He'll be back better than ever. meanwhile I'll gladly take his influential presence on the pitch, including possible mistakes and few patchy thingies.

[Dameerto]

Drop the guy that scored "that" goal... the guy that lifted the premier league trophy last season... Whoever is suggesting that should be banned.

Not sure what last season has to do with one or two of his strange decisions this season... I don't think it's far fetched to let him sit a game or two out to sort his head out. We don't really have anyone to replace him with though, unless Nasti can play on the right. (Kolo hasn't offered much this season). If it had been anyone other than Vinnie that dropped us points by ducking out of the way of the ball I know what kind of a slating they would be getting on here - as it was it barely got a mention.

[london blue 2]

Drop the guy that scored "that" goal... the guy that lifted the premier league trophy last season... Whoever is suggesting that should be banned.

Not sure what last season has to do with one or two of his strange decisions this season... I don't think it's far fetched to let him sit a game or two out to sort his head out. We don't really have anyone to replace him with though, unless Nasti can play on the right. (Kolo hasn't offered much this season).

You dont "drop" players like vinnie, to suggest so is ridiculous.

He is Mr ManCity, our talisman, our captain, drop him and the dressing room will be lost.

[Dameerto]

We know what he's capable of, having watched last season - when he doesn't live up to his own high standards maybe he needs time out to reflect on what is different in his game this season. Noone is untouchable, and noone should expect to be untouchable (or they might end up throwing a Tevez).

[twosips]

Not saying he's untouchable, just saying he's earnt the chance to play his way out of a bad patch, not just be dropped. It's the least we can do for him after last season.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Some fans should stop making excuses up for him , he is playing shit and its noone elses fault but his and he has to sort it out otherwise Mancini will rightly drop him.

I honestly think he will sort it out BUT if he plays shite again and it COSTS us then I would be the first to want him dropped for a game or 2.

[Grandad Rosler]

Just look up the opta stats for defenders for last season & he is one of the best in the country & therefore in Europe. It's all out there & it's not rocket science to understand.

Gonna do just that Ted, I'm sure your right but he doesn't help himself out sometimes ie arsenal. Will help change my pre conceptions

[Sideshow Bob]

until micah gets back to 100%, who would you have us play ahead of vinnie? kolo??

[Dameerto]

until micah gets back to 100%, who would you have us play ahead of vinnie? kolo??

That's the problem, we don't really have an option at the moment. Not sure how Rodwell/Garcia would cope and it's probably not the best of ideas to experiment in the league (or champ's league) - we obviously can't use Yaya since it would be a huge waste, so the situation pretty much takes care of itself, with everyone hoping he plays his way out of it.

[Dannyhig]

Were building a house next door to kompany in prestbury and he moans about vans blocking road most days ... Hooe it ain't tht haha

[Beefymcfc]

As many have mentioned, all players go through peaks and troughs. Last year Vinnie got the plaudits but in reality it was not him who saw us through, in my opinion. Following the Rag game where he got sent off I thought he was far away from the outstanding player they portrayed. I found it strange that they didn't give Lescott the same dues that Vinnie got however it wasn't too much of a surprise. Why was that, just media bias maybe after slating Joleon continuously? He did take some flack for joining us even though they rated him as one of the best Everton and English players.

In my opinion it was actually Lescott who took control and seen us through those darkest hours, but that's just my opinion.

[carl_feedthegoat]

As many have mentioned, all players go through peaks and troughs. Last year Vinnie got the plaudits but in reality it was not him who saw us through, in my opinion. Following the Rag game where he got sent off I thought he was far away from the outstanding player they portrayed. I found it strange that they didn't give Lescott the same dues that Vinnie got however it wasn't too much of a surprise. Why was that, just media bias maybe after slating Joleon continuously? He did take some flack for joining us even though they rated him as one of the best Everton and English players.

In my opinion it was actually Lescott who took control and seen us through those darkest hours, but that's just my opinion.

That header back to that QPR player nearly had us all in a very dark fucking place.

[Im_Spartacus]

That header back to that QPR player nearly had us all in a very dark fucking place.

As did kompany's lapse that allowed the other goal, which everyone conveniently forgets

[Tokyo Blue]

There are many things.

Everyone has peaks and troughs in any job. If it is a simple loss of form, he needs to play to get his form back. And he will.

A baby can affect the way you sleep, if at all. The problems lack of sleep brings are well-documented.

We don't know if he is carrying an injury. He played through his first season at City with a broken toe, which shows the kind of man he is. Once it was healed he looked a different player. If it's a knock, he needs rest but perhaps doesn't want to.

And I think this also needs saying. The cumulative effect of all these stupid free-kicks that get given against him, yellow cards for nothing fouls and yes, a red card for a perfectly good tackle, all affect his mind, I'm sure. You may notice that we don't tend to actually challenge that often and when we do, it is more than likely leading to a free-kick for the opposition. We have to get the ball back without actually tackling, c.f. the "standing off attackers" thread a fortnight or so ago. I think this is the main factor though perhaps I am wrong.

[Im_Spartacus]

And I think this also needs saying. The cumulative effect of all these stupid free-kicks that get given against him, yellow cards for nothing fouls and yes, a red card for a perfectly good tackle, all affect his mind, I'm sure. You may notice that we don't tend to actually challenge that often and when we do, it is more than likely leading to a free-kick for the opposition. We have to get the ball back without actually tackling, c.f. the "standing off attackers" thread a fortnight or so ago. I think this is the main factor though perhaps I am wrong.

Its a good point, we make 3 less tackles per game than united last season, but commit 3 more fouls per game, but why is Kompany penalised more than the other defenders? Zabba for example is much more involved in play at both ends pf the pitch, and winning the ball back in midfield.

Whilst we all have our bad days on the job, if your job was a squad game and it was possible to give you a break as there was someone else available who could step in short term to help you resolve your problems. Unfortunately, no offices i know run a squad system, so its a pointless argument.

Kompany shouldnt be dropped imo, but he also shouldnt be immune from the drop if it continues

[Blue Since 76]

As many have mentioned, all players go through peaks and troughs. Last year Vinnie got the plaudits but in reality it was not him who saw us through, in my opinion. Following the Rag game where he got sent off I thought he was far away from the outstanding player they portrayed. I found it strange that they didn't give Lescott the same dues that Vinnie got however it wasn't too much of a surprise. Why was that, just media bias maybe after slating Joleon continuously? He did take some flack for joining us even though they rated him as one of the best Everton and English players.

In my opinion it was actually Lescott who took control and seen us through those darkest hours, but that's just my opinion.

I agree. I keep thinking that we need a quality replacement for Lescott but so far, we haven't found one. His passing and confidence on the ball is terrible, but as a pure defender he was the best last season.

It also comes down to a pairing and Lescott and Kompany are more than the sum of their parts. Swap either of them out and the other seems to suffer. A new partnership would form eventually but why change something that works well for something which may be better in the future, but will be crap initially and may never improve (Savic for example). It's not even like we had a shaky defence last season that needed sorting.