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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby stupot » Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:48 pm

Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby Mase » Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:34 pm

stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby CTID Hants » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:05 pm

Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby Mase » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:53 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby CTID Hants » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:14 pm

Mase wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?


I haven't caught up with the swales era posts by Colin Bell so might be covered in there, if not some of the slightly older posters can fill you in. All i know is we bought him for £1.2m and sold him for £700k a year later because we couldn't afford his wages anymore.
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby Nigels Tackle » Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:44 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?


I haven't caught up with the swales era posts by Colin Bell so might be covered in there, if not some of the slightly older posters can fill you in. All i know is we bought him for £1.2m and sold him for £700k a year later because we couldn't afford his wages anymore.


wonder what kind of money they were on back then?
noticed that he 2 loan spells (secondments according to wikipedia) to the detroit express in the nasl - for those older posters (jc?) what was the deal with that?? there were quite a few british/europeans who had similar short term loans over in the us in the late 70's...
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby stupot » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:29 am

Mase wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?

Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby Mase » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:20 am

stupot wrote:
Mase wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:Joined us early in the season and made his debut in the September so played just short of a full season.
Nobody wanted him to go, and yes he was that good.
He'd definitely be in the all time squad .


Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?

Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.


And I thought I had it bad in the 90’s with City :lol:
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby salford city » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:31 am

How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?[/quote]
Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.[/quote]

And I thought I had it bad in the 90’s with City :lol:[/quote]

Bond quit due to him having been caught playing away - him not tricky Trev that is
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby stupot » Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:07 am

salford city wrote:How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?

Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.[/quote]

And I thought I had it bad in the 90’s with City :lol:[/quote]

Bond quit due to him having been caught playing away - him not tricky Trev that is[/quote]
Why would that make him quit, he went on to manage loads of other clubs after. Allison was always playing away and he'd been brought back prior to Bond.
I saw Bond at a Sportsmans Dinner a few years later and he said he didn't get on with Swales and certain other directors mainly over the financial situation and the way they'd change their minds but that it was his biggest regret leaving us.
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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby patrickblue » Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:07 pm

Mase wrote:
stupot wrote:
Mase wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
Mase wrote:Nice one. I only remember him from being Birmingham manager when I was young.


29 appearances (all comps) scored 14, if he had stayed things could have been different.....


How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?

Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.


And I thought I had it bad in the 90’s with City :lol:


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Re: RIP Trevor Francis

Postby john@staustell » Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:05 am

stupot wrote:
salford city wrote:How come he was sold? What was going on with the club at the time?

Swales said we couldn't afford his wages even though he was the one who'd authorised them. We went top of the league at one point with him.
Francis said afterwards that he never wanted to leave, John Bond quit because of it and we ended up relegated.
Absolute shambles.


And I thought I had it bad in the 90’s with City :lol:[/quote]

Bond quit due to him having been caught playing away - him not tricky Trev that is[/quote]
Why would that make him quit, he went on to manage loads of other clubs after. Allison was always playing away and he'd been brought back prior to Bond.
I saw Bond at a Sportsmans Dinner a few years later and he said he didn't get on with Swales and certain other directors mainly over the financial situation and the way they'd change their minds but that it was his biggest regret leaving us.[/quote]

Bond was the man who had to drag us up by our bootlaces on a tight budget after Allison had fucked us up big time - he took a title challenging team and basically fucked us over for the next 30 years as it turned out.

Never quite sure whether to castigate Swales for backing him in that silly spending or praise him for having faith. Difference with later big spenders is that the players were shocking and the good ones sold. Steve Daley FFS
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