Mancini - 50 Not Out

[BobKowalski]

if his constant reference to being "tired" is........ I honestly think the "tired" argument is just his attempt at deflection -- for both the players, and him personally. Then I think he is getting it wrong. It seems to me the players are believing they are tired and it is showing in the performances more and more.


I would ask though if it is an attempt at deflection, what exactly is it deflecting from?

Life. The universe. Football forums. Who knows.

Do I think the players running round are thinking themselves 'Hang on the gaffer thinks we're a bit tired. Now you mention it I do feel a bit tired. Maybe I sho...zzzz'. No not really.

Harry has been banging on about his court case and its impact on his ability to do the job (oh get your fucking excuses in early 'arry me old son). Do I think Spurs players are running round during the match fretting about Uncle 'arry getting banged up? Perhaps it was preying on Hutton's mind as he dragged the Wolves player back for a penalty. As for taggart's mob God alone knows what was worrying them as they collapsed against the dippers like a Masterchef soufflé under John's withering stare. And God alone knows what was on their mind against WHU. Maybe it was King Kenny taking Andy to the Boyzone concert and not any of them. That sort of favouritism can sap morale you know. Oh Kenny, what were you thinking?

Yeah Mancini bangs on about tiredness at the moment. He's always banging on about something. Usually concentrating and working hard. Personally I don't pay that much attention to what Mancini says to the media because it is usually just harmless pap. What I find astonishing is that people on here think that the players only get to hear from Mancini via the media and that their entire tone and attitude is shaped by what he says in his PC's or via that stupid idiot who does the OS interviews. Our outlook is shaped by these mediums because that is all we have to go on but I seriously doubt the players outlook is.

[ant london]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

[carl_feedthegoat]

if his constant reference to being "tired" is........ I honestly think the "tired" argument is just his attempt at deflection -- for both the players, and him personally. Then I think he is getting it wrong. It seems to me the players are believing they are tired and it is showing in the performances more and more.


I would ask though if it is an attempt at deflection, what exactly is it deflecting from?

Life. The universe. Football forums. Who knows.

Do I think the players running round are thinking themselves 'Hang on the gaffer thinks we're a bit tired. Now you mention it I do feel a bit tired. Maybe I sho...zzzz'. No not really.

Harry has been banging on about his court case and its impact on his ability to do the job (oh get your fucking excuses in early 'arry me old son). Do I think Spurs players are running round during the match fretting about Uncle 'arry getting banged up? Perhaps it was preying on Hutton's mind as he dragged the Wolves player back for a penalty. As for taggart's mob God alone knows what was worrying them as they collapsed against the dippers like a Masterchef soufflé under John's withering stare. And God alone knows what was on their mind against WHU. Maybe it was King Kenny taking Andy to the Boyzone concert and not any of them. That sort of favouritism can sap morale you know. Oh Kenny, what were you thinking?

Yeah Mancini bangs on about tiredness at the moment. He's always banging on about something. Usually concentrating and working hard. Personally I don't pay that much attention to what Mancini says to the media because it is usually just harmless pap. What I find astonishing is that people on here think that the players only get to hear from Mancini via the media and that their entire tone and attitude is shaped by what he says in his PC's or via that stupid idiot who does the OS interviews. Our outlook is shaped by these mediums because that is all we have to go on but I seriously doubt the players outlook is.

So we are playing like "overworked" cart horses just for kicks then?

[john68]

The biggest problem we have at City is that we have a long term plan that demands short term success. Sometimes those two factors are at odds with each other.
Do you buy the tried and tested player who has years of prem experience and will give you a greater chance of an immediate return on your investment?...or do you buy a player who, though not as good at present, could, with time, patience and proper nurturing of his development, give you a greater return in the future?

We have seen with Micah that in the short term, maybe it would have been better to let him go at the time, as he seemed to be failing...but given time, patience and nuturing, seems to be coming on a bundle lately. Hart too.
We know that Dzeko can score but should we dump him because in the short term, he causes problems with Tevez's space and runs up front...or do we remain patient and wait and see if a remedy can be found and gain the benefits later.

The same might also apply to Kolarov and Boateng and we are also starting to see Lescott earn his corn...but that took a while too.

Short termism will give us a chance of more success sooner...but maybe at the expense of our long term development.

Mancini is doing ok...Leave him be...let's look at the longer term...even if it means missing out in the short term.

[carl_feedthegoat]

The biggest problem we have at City is that we have a long term plan that demands short term success. Sometimes those two factors are at odds with each other.
Do you buy the tried and tested player who has years of prem experience and will give you a greater chance of an immediate return on your investment?...or do you buy a player who, though not as good at present, could, with time, patience and proper nurturing of his development, give you a greater return in the future?

We have seen with Micah that in the short term, maybe it would have been better to let him go at the time, as he seemed to be failing...but given time, patience and nuturing, seems to be coming on a bundle lately. Hart too.
We know that Dzeko can score but should we dump him because in the short term, he causes problems with Tevez's space and runs up front...or do we remain patient and wait and see if a remedy can be found and gain the benefits later.

The same might also apply to Kolarov and Boateng and we are also starting to see Lescott earn his corn...but that took a while too.

Short termism will give us a chance of more success sooner...but maybe at the expense of our long term development.

Mancini is doing ok...Leave him be...let's look at the longer term...even if it means missing out in the short term.

No chance of looking at the long term..right now at City it is short term short term end of.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.

[john68]

Following the above post, it is interesting to compare what has been going on at the swamp.
taggart got his success when he went long term and was allowed the time to fail in the short term whilst developing the group of kids that Kidd gave him.
Now we are seeing that a lack of resources has changed that policy and for the 1st time in many years, the rags future looks very fragile. In the past, the like of Scholes and Giggs would have already been moved on. Carrick would have been discarded and Owen would never have even been considered and he would have offloaded Van de Saar for a younger model some time ago.

Making the same mistake as Busby did before it all collapsed around their ears.

[BobKowalski]

if his constant reference to being "tired" is........ I honestly think the "tired" argument is just his attempt at deflection -- for both the players, and him personally. Then I think he is getting it wrong. It seems to me the players are believing they are tired and it is showing in the performances more and more.


I would ask though if it is an attempt at deflection, what exactly is it deflecting from?

Life. The universe. Football forums. Who knows.

Do I think the players running round are thinking themselves 'Hang on the gaffer thinks we're a bit tired. Now you mention it I do feel a bit tired. Maybe I sho...zzzz'. No not really.

Harry has been banging on about his court case and its impact on his ability to do the job (oh get your fucking excuses in early 'arry me old son). Do I think Spurs players are running round during the match fretting about Uncle 'arry getting banged up? Perhaps it was preying on Hutton's mind as he dragged the Wolves player back for a penalty. As for taggart's mob God alone knows what was worrying them as they collapsed against the dippers like a Masterchef soufflé under John's withering stare. And God alone knows what was on their mind against WHU. Maybe it was King Kenny taking Andy to the Boyzone concert and not any of them. That sort of favouritism can sap morale you know. Oh Kenny, what were you thinking?

Yeah Mancini bangs on about tiredness at the moment. He's always banging on about something. Usually concentrating and working hard. Personally I don't pay that much attention to what Mancini says to the media because it is usually just harmless pap. What I find astonishing is that people on here think that the players only get to hear from Mancini via the media and that their entire tone and attitude is shaped by what he says in his PC's or via that stupid idiot who does the OS interviews. Our outlook is shaped by these mediums because that is all we have to go on but I seriously doubt the players outlook is.

So we are playing like "overworked" cart horses just for kicks then?

Nope. Probably because they are a bit jaded with the amount of games and not performing to optimum levels. Sometimes we play shit because sometimes teams play shit. We don't do it because Mancini is sapping their strength through his pronouncements to the media like some Lord Haw Haw nor do we do it for the sheer giddy excitement of it all.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

haha first Harry and now Lord Haw Haw. I will be very impressed if you can bring in Winston Churchill to this theme:)

[carl_feedthegoat]

if his constant reference to being "tired" is........ I honestly think the "tired" argument is just his attempt at deflection -- for both the players, and him personally. Then I think he is getting it wrong. It seems to me the players are believing they are tired and it is showing in the performances more and more.


I would ask though if it is an attempt at deflection, what exactly is it deflecting from?

Life. The universe. Football forums. Who knows.

Do I think the players running round are thinking themselves 'Hang on the gaffer thinks we're a bit tired. Now you mention it I do feel a bit tired. Maybe I sho...zzzz'. No not really.

Harry has been banging on about his court case and its impact on his ability to do the job (oh get your fucking excuses in early 'arry me old son). Do I think Spurs players are running round during the match fretting about Uncle 'arry getting banged up? Perhaps it was preying on Hutton's mind as he dragged the Wolves player back for a penalty. As for taggart's mob God alone knows what was worrying them as they collapsed against the dippers like a Masterchef soufflé under John's withering stare. And God alone knows what was on their mind against WHU. Maybe it was King Kenny taking Andy to the Boyzone concert and not any of them. That sort of favouritism can sap morale you know. Oh Kenny, what were you thinking?

Yeah Mancini bangs on about tiredness at the moment. He's always banging on about something. Usually concentrating and working hard. Personally I don't pay that much attention to what Mancini says to the media because it is usually just harmless pap. What I find astonishing is that people on here think that the players only get to hear from Mancini via the media and that their entire tone and attitude is shaped by what he says in his PC's or via that stupid idiot who does the OS interviews. Our outlook is shaped by these mediums because that is all we have to go on but I seriously doubt the players outlook is.

So we are playing like "overworked" cart horses just for kicks then?

Nope. Probably because they are a bit jaded with the amount of games and not performing to optimum levels. Sometimes we play shit because sometimes teams play shit. We don't do it because Mancini is sapping their strength through his pronouncements to the media like some Lord Haw Haw nor do we do it for the sheer giddy excitement of it all.

A bit fucking jaded - Christ on a bike !!

[BobKowalski]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.

There was no question to answer. That the players keep the same party line as Mancini is no surprise. What is fed to the media is bland baby food these days. "We play a lot of games and we have some injuries and this impacts on performance sometimes". Really? Fuck me.

This does not change the fact we have little to no idea what discussions take place between the players and Mancini. All we are doing is projecting our own anxieties and concerns in the absence of any hard facts other than what is said to the media.

With respect to the training ground what do you see that gives you concern with specific reference to the tiredness issue?

[ant london]

I liked his analogies!

I also liked the concept that the players have to watch "MCFC State TV" to find out what their leader thinks!

[Ted Hughes]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.

There was no question to answer. That the players keep the same party line as Mancini is no surprise. What is fed to the media is bland baby food these days. "We play a lot of games and we have some injuries and this impacts on performance sometimes". Really? Fuck me.

This does not change the fact we have little to no idea what discussions take place between the players and Mancini. All we are doing is projecting our own anxieties and concerns in the absence of any hard facts other than what is said to the media.

With respect to the training ground what do you see that gives you concern with specific reference to the tiredness issue?

From what has been said many times I think we do know what kind if discussions go on between Mancini & the players; none whatsoever. He talks football with them, then if they want to discuss anything with him, they go to see him, so, as usual, your version of events & the actual reality have nothing much in common & the absolute opposite is probably true, what they hear Mancini say in the media is most likely the most they ever hear anything on the subject.

Judging by the diversity of opinion on here, some of the players will agree with you & some of the players will agree with me & some will agree with what Mancini says, hence some of the players think he's making excuses to protect his own arse or he's been forced into that position by Cook etc, some think there's no problem & some think the team is getting tired. How thae fucking hell in a million fucking years can that be helping us in any way shape or form?

QUOTE:

Manchester City defender Micah Richards believes the club's buying spree must continue if they're to compete for trophies.

Richards admits the current squad is struggling with their heavy schedule.

After victory over Wigan Athletic, Richards said: "It's hard to play so many games in a short space of time.

"It's why you need a big squad. We are in all competitions and today the boys were a bit leggy."

Excuses for failure loaded & ready to go, just in case.

[carl_feedthegoat]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.

There was no question to answer. That the players keep the same party line as Mancini is no surprise. What is fed to the media is bland baby food these days. "We play a lot of games and we have some injuries and this impacts on performance sometimes". Really? Fuck me.

This does not change the fact we have little to no idea what discussions take place between the players and Mancini. All we are doing is projecting our own anxieties and concerns in the absence of any hard facts other than what is said to the media.

With respect to the training ground what do you see that gives you concern with specific reference to the tiredness issue?

From what has been said many times I think we do know what kind if discussions go on between Mancini & the players; none whatsoever. He talks football with them, then if they want to discuss anything with him, they go to see him, so, as usual, your version of events & the actual reality have nothing much in common & the absolute opposite is probably true, what they hear Mancini say in the media is most likely the most they ever hear anything on the subject.

Judging by the diversity of opinion on here, some of the players will agree with you & some of the players will agree with me & some will agree with what Mancini says, hence some of the players think he's making excuses to protect his own arse or he's been forced into that position by Cook etc, some think there's no problem & some think the team is getting tired. How thae fucking hell in a million fucking years can that be helping us in any way shape or form?

QUOTE:

Manchester City defender Micah Richards believes the club's buying spree must continue if they're to compete for trophies.

Richards admits the current squad is struggling with their heavy schedule.

After victory over Wigan Athletic, Richards said: "It's hard to play so many games in a short space of time.

"It's why you need a big squad. We are in all competitions and today the boys were a bit leggy."

Excuses for failure loaded & ready to go, just in case.

Id give up flogging this dead horse Ted..........the players are tired and if we dont get 4th or win a cup then that's the reason why...nothing to do with Mancini...all down to "bad luck on the injury and tired front".

The end.

[Ted Hughes]

Bob Churchill:


We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, so long as we don't have too many battles in a short space of time as we have a lot of injuries."

[Chinners]

Ha ha, good work

[Fesan]

Bob Churchill:


We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, so long as we don't have too many battles in a short space of time as we have a lot of injuries."

plus:

we shall fight unless we are "lé tired"

[BobKowalski]

v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob

Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.

There was no question to answer. That the players keep the same party line as Mancini is no surprise. What is fed to the media is bland baby food these days. "We play a lot of games and we have some injuries and this impacts on performance sometimes". Really? Fuck me.

This does not change the fact we have little to no idea what discussions take place between the players and Mancini. All we are doing is projecting our own anxieties and concerns in the absence of any hard facts other than what is said to the media.

With respect to the training ground what do you see that gives you concern with specific reference to the tiredness issue?

From what has been said many times I think we do know what kind if discussions go on between Mancini & the players; none whatsoever. He talks football with them, then if they want to discuss anything with him, they go to see him, so, as usual, your version of events & the actual reality have nothing much in common & the absolute opposite is probably true, what they hear Mancini say in the media is most likely the most they ever hear anything on the subject.

Judging by the diversity of opinion on here, some of the players will agree with you & some of the players will agree with me & some will agree with what Mancini says, hence some of the players think he's making excuses to protect his own arse or he's been forced into that position by Cook etc, some think there's no problem & some think the team is getting tired. How thae fucking hell in a million fucking years can that be helping us in any way shape or form?

QUOTE:

Manchester City defender Micah Richards believes the club's buying spree must continue if they're to compete for trophies.

Richards admits the current squad is struggling with their heavy schedule.

After victory over Wigan Athletic, Richards said: "It's hard to play so many games in a short space of time.

"It's why you need a big squad. We are in all competitions and today the boys were a bit leggy."

Excuses for failure loaded & ready to go, just in case.

You know I read this several times and am still none the wiser.

On one hand "we do know what kind of discussions Mancini has with players: none" and on the other they discuss football with him and if they want to discuss anything else they go and see him. Presumably they just sit in his office and play 'Guess What I Am Thinking' or maybe its a ongoing game of charades. Which would be fun. I suspect Yaya would be a real hoot tugging his ear and miming 'Gone Wth The Wind' by way of explaining to Roberto he's all puffed out.

On a more serious note I would have thought discussions about football would encompass performance levels and how they are feeling physically and mentally but I am still not sure whether we think Mancini has discussions with the players or not. I doubt if he makes small talk if that helps.

The quote from Micah is just stating the current party line and usual bollocks you get from teams/players 'playing a lot of games...boys a bit leggy...need a big squad' yada, yada - heard it a million times. I understand you believe its Mancini's masterplan to explain why it all went wrong whereas I just see it as restating the bleeding obvious in an attempt to dampen expectations - something Mancini has done pretty much all season in varying ways. Like 'we are aiming for top 4 and not the title' bit for which he was panned for not being ambitious enough. How much this reflects what he thinks privately or what he discusses with the players I do not know but I know enough not to take public pronouncements that seriously.

By 'players' I assume you mean 'posters'...or not. Whatever.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I see what you mean now Ant the posts are likeable as they are quite funny.Getting better too as charades has been introduced.I think it would be best if Micah did Gone with the Wind though as his reason for not getting back any quicker from one of his forays down the right.

[blues2win]

I've noticed that this thread is getting a bit noisy. Can all of you keep down the volume because the players are trying to get some sleep.