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Postby AG7 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:24 am

Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:37 am

AG7 wrote:Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...


I could see us or Chelsea winning 8 or 10.

I could see any of the top 6 doing that, depending on fixtures. I could also see any of them, including Arsenal, dropping a significant number of points in a short time. We have to make sure that isn't us.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:40 am

AG7 wrote:Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...

If they beat Everton, us and Chelsea then you'd have to say that they'd be deserving leaders and although the season has a long way to go it will be very difficult to claw that back; only a collapse of epic proportions would allow other teams in.

However, this is a difficult month for Arsenal, probably the hardest set of games they've had to date and we will see what they are made of. I'm not expecting it to be easy for them and can see us closing the gap, as long as we get our shit in a sock.

If Arsenal win today, and I think they will, it means we have to pick up 3 games where they don't and we have to start by beating them next weekend.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Herb » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:41 am

Breks wrote:
dazby wrote:Everton traditionally struggle in London. Just saying.


They traditionally struggled at the swamp until Wednesday.


Difference was that moyes is now orchestrating at the swamp whereas the arse still have a manger who can manage. I wish there were two moyeses so that the arse could have one too.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:46 am

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AG7 wrote:Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...

If they beat Everton, us and Chelsea then you'd have to say that they'd be deserving leaders and although the season has a long way to go it will be very difficult to claw that back; only a collapse of epic proportions would allow other teams in.

However, this is a difficult month for Arsenal, probably the hardest set of games they've had to date and we will see what they are made of. I'm not expecting it to be easy for them and can see us closing the gap, as long as we get our shit in a sock.

If Arsenal win today, and I think they will, it means we have to pick up 3 games where they don't and we have to start by beating them next weekend.


As I've just mentioned in the other thread, they have a much harder test to come during the run in, when they will be under pressure.

Right now they have no pressure.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:52 am

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AG7 wrote:Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...

If they beat Everton, us and Chelsea then you'd have to say that they'd be deserving leaders and although the season has a long way to go it will be very difficult to claw that back; only a collapse of epic proportions would allow other teams in.

However, this is a difficult month for Arsenal, probably the hardest set of games they've had to date and we will see what they are made of. I'm not expecting it to be easy for them and can see us closing the gap, as long as we get our shit in a sock.

If Arsenal win today, and I think they will, it means we have to pick up 3 games where they don't and we have to start by beating them next weekend.


As I've just mentioned in the other thread, they have a much harder test to come during the run in, when they will be under pressure.

Right now they have no pressure.

And the reason for that is?

Yep, you guessed it, the other so-called contenders have let it happen and there's nothing to suggest that we won't continue to let them play freely with no looking over their shoulders.

As I said earlier, Arsenal seized the opportunity knowing that other teams were in a state of flux. Liverpool are also benefitting from having continuation with minimal change to the playing side.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:28 pm

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AG7 wrote:Just like the weekend when all others lost and everybody rooted for the Scum to beat Arsenal for the sake of the league so they don't run away creating a larger gap at the top ... this weekend is no different, so Everton win pls. !!!

If Arsenal wins today then their next game vs us will become an absolute must win for us cuz gap will be significant and god forbid we lose that, that'll be it for the league ... so for us not to be in that kind of immense pressure, I'm rooting for Everton today, don't have any other choice really!

Arsenal on the other hand, if they win their next three, which are Everton, us and Chelsea, then I guess that'll be that ... cuz I don't see us (or Chelsea) putting together a string of 8-10 wins in the league this season ...

If they beat Everton, us and Chelsea then you'd have to say that they'd be deserving leaders and although the season has a long way to go it will be very difficult to claw that back; only a collapse of epic proportions would allow other teams in.

However, this is a difficult month for Arsenal, probably the hardest set of games they've had to date and we will see what they are made of. I'm not expecting it to be easy for them and can see us closing the gap, as long as we get our shit in a sock.

If Arsenal win today, and I think they will, it means we have to pick up 3 games where they don't and we have to start by beating them next weekend.


As I've just mentioned in the other thread, they have a much harder test to come during the run in, when they will be under pressure.

Right now they have no pressure.

And the reason for that is?

Yep, you guessed it, the other so-called contenders have let it happen and there's nothing to suggest that we won't continue to let them play freely with no looking over their shoulders.

As I said earlier, Arsenal seized the opportunity knowing that other teams were in a state of flux. Liverpool are also benefitting from having continuation with minimal change to the playing side.


I didn't have to 'guess' it, I've already said it in this thread.

The reason Arse & Liverpool haven't fucked up yet, is because Ferguson isn't around.

They, like everyone else, knew that almost every team in league would give that cunt points no matter how Utd played, which meant they had to think that they must win every single game, all season. Neither of them could handle it.

On a typical Pl weekend before City arrived as contenders, Utd would play like shit, the oppo would nod one in their own net, have a man sent off & lose to a last min pen, Arsenal would kick off today, shitting themselves, & go two down in 15 mins.

Utd would bask in another gap widening weekend as all their rivals fuck up.

Arsenal aren't Ferguson's Utd. They have played 4 games against the usual 'top' teams so far, won 1 (Dortmund away) & lost the other three.

Even if they do widen the gap now, there is a long long way to go.

Teams are going for it more now that cunt has retired & Arsenal will have days like we have had.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:53 pm

I think we are saying the same thing Ted. Arsenal have grasped the bit in Taggarts exit.

I have no doubts that they will fuck up at times but at the moment they are the team to chase. This again has been made easier without the spectre of RasherChops looking over them and now that Wenger is the elder statesman, so to speak, his own confidence has risen just enough to put them where they are.

Strangely, I'm hoping we're 5th come the end of this weekends games. Let's see how they shake it up with teams getting that little bit closer.
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Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:08 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:I think we are saying the same thing Ted. Arsenal have grasped the bit in Taggarts exit.

I have no doubts that they will fuck up at times but at the moment they are the team to chase. This again has been made easier without the spectre of RasherChops looking over them and now that Wenger is the elder statesman, so to speak, his own confidence has risen just enough to put them where they are.

Strangely, I'm hoping we're 5th come the end of this weekends games. Let's see how they shake it up with teams getting that little bit closer.


Sooner or later, it's likely they will have at least one, possibly two, three, four teams right on top of them.

That's when players, fans, media, manager start to consider if all that hard work, all that happiness & optimism, could suddenly be cancelled out by a couple of defensive slipups & you could end up even fifth. Then come the slipups.

We saw it happen even in our title winning season, but suddenly Tevez, Yaya, Silva, players like Barry, VK AND LESCOTT, all suddenly found another gear, the rags' arses then went & we became winners again, just like that.

Even then, having 'won it' we nearly blew it on the last day though, with both JL & VK, who had both been immense & cool as fuck in the 'title decider' v Utd, fucking up v QPR even though we were on top.

A lot can & most probably will happen between now & May & pressure will be a big factor.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:19 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:I think we are saying the same thing Ted. Arsenal have grasped the bit in Taggarts exit.

I have no doubts that they will fuck up at times but at the moment they are the team to chase. This again has been made easier without the spectre of RasherChops looking over them and now that Wenger is the elder statesman, so to speak, his own confidence has risen just enough to put them where they are.

Strangely, I'm hoping we're 5th come the end of this weekends games. Let's see how they shake it up with teams getting that little bit closer.


Sooner or later, it's likely they will have at least one, possibly two, three, four teams right on top of them.

That's when players, fans, media, manager start to consider if all that hard work, all that happiness & optimism, could suddenly be cancelled out by a couple of defensive slipups & you could end up even fifth. Then come the slipups.

We saw it happen even in our title winning season, but suddenly Tevez, Yaya, Silva, players like Barry, VK AND LESCOTT, all suddenly found another gear, the rags' arses then went & we became winners again, just like that.

Even then, having 'won it' we nearly blew it on the last day though, with both JL & VK, who had both been immense & cool as fuck in the 'title decider' v Utd, fucking up v QPR even though we were on top.

A lot can & most probably will happen between now & May & pressure will be a big factor.

We can all theorise on where we will be in a few months, or even next week, but what we can say is that we as a team are not making the inroads that we'd like. We talk about pressure but then pile it on ourselves. Our on the road experiences have not helped and like yesterday, we still seem to be getting over-run and even though we win at home we still look disjointed at times, allowing the oppo many opportunities that they haven't taken.

On the other hand, Arsenal have taken theirs and the bundled goal they got last weekend to take the points just shows that it's not all about the football, sometimes it's that little luck that comes your way and if you take it or not.
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Re: Arsanal

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:50 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:I think we are saying the same thing Ted. Arsenal have grasped the bit in Taggarts exit.

I have no doubts that they will fuck up at times but at the moment they are the team to chase. This again has been made easier without the spectre of RasherChops looking over them and now that Wenger is the elder statesman, so to speak, his own confidence has risen just enough to put them where they are.

Strangely, I'm hoping we're 5th come the end of this weekends games. Let's see how they shake it up with teams getting that little bit closer.


Sooner or later, it's likely they will have at least one, possibly two, three, four teams right on top of them.

That's when players, fans, media, manager start to consider if all that hard work, all that happiness & optimism, could suddenly be cancelled out by a couple of defensive slipups & you could end up even fifth. Then come the slipups.

We saw it happen even in our title winning season, but suddenly Tevez, Yaya, Silva, players like Barry, VK AND LESCOTT, all suddenly found another gear, the rags' arses then went & we became winners again, just like that.

Even then, having 'won it' we nearly blew it on the last day though, with both JL & VK, who had both been immense & cool as fuck in the 'title decider' v Utd, fucking up v QPR even though we were on top.

A lot can & most probably will happen between now & May & pressure will be a big factor.

We can all theorise on where we will be in a few months, or even next week, but what we can say is that we as a team are not making the inroads that we'd like. We talk about pressure but then pile it on ourselves. Our on the road experiences have not helped and like yesterday, we still seem to be getting over-run and even though we win at home we still look disjointed at times, allowing the oppo many opportunities that they haven't taken.

On the other hand, Arsenal have taken theirs and the bundled goal they got last weekend to take the points just shows that it's not all about the football, sometimes it's that little luck that comes your way and if you take it or not.


Arsenal's performance v Cardiff was very similar to ours. On another day, the results would be reversed.

The biggest difference is in the way the two performances are valued. We were nowt special & lost, they were nowt special & won but their performance is looked upon by some as the stuff of champions, wheras our perfromance at Southampton, getting a point on a bad day, is looked upon by some as a failure.

If Arsenal played there & got a point which kept them top, people would say it's how to win the league.

They are in vogue at the moment, as they are at some point in every season.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:12 pm

I'm not sure I'd say that our 2 respective games were similar, I'd actually say they were polar opposites. Arsenal went to Cardiff, dominated the play and were incisive when needed. We, on the other hand, went to Cardiff, had clear possession but never really looked in control. We were also clumsy in defence and I'm sure Cardiff had more shots on target than us.

What we've seen so far is that we've not got to grips on our travels and possibly the best I've seen us play, when we changed the formation a little, was the Chelsea game. Maybe if we gave teams a little more respect and actually made it difficult for them to outplay our midfield then the losses and draws would turn into a greater points tally. Until we sort that out, Arsenal will carry on eclipsing us and stay, points wise, well infront.

One thing I will say is that people need to stop relying on Arsenal falling apart and having faith that we'll come good. There's no guarantee with either and putting blind faith in the hope it happens seems very naive to say the least.
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Postby Tesl » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:29 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:One thing I will say is that people need to stop relying on Arsenal falling apart and having faith that we'll come good. There's no guarantee with either and putting blind faith in the hope it happens seems very naive to say the least.


Okay. What would you advise us fans to do instead?

I just want to make sure I'm not hoping for the wrong thing, incase that tips the balance out of our favour.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:57 pm

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Beefymcfc wrote:One thing I will say is that people need to stop relying on Arsenal falling apart and having faith that we'll come good. There's no guarantee with either and putting blind faith in the hope it happens seems very naive to say the least.


Okay. What would you advise us fans to do instead?

I just want to make sure I'm not hoping for the wrong thing, incase that tips the balance out of our favour.

Well, it doesn't have to be like that does it, relying on the complete opposite of what we are seeing at the moment. Surely we can catch Arsenal by starting to play well away from home, getting possibly 2 points a game (2 wins out of 3 or at least a win and 2 draws) whilst retaining our home form. Then possibly, Arsenal slipping up in a couple of games, maybe not losing but at least dropping points. Next weekend would be nice.

What I'd say is that even if they are 8 points infront after today, there's still a long way to go in the season. I'm sure that Arsenal won't win all their games just as I'm sure that we won't lose the majority of our away games. Those hoping that Arsenal will just lose 3 games in a row and we win all ours seems a little far fetched, especially after what we have seen already.

It could be we get ahead of them and then they come back, there's just too much to call at the moment.
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Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:58 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:I'm not sure I'd say that our 2 respective games were similar, I'd actually say they were polar opposites. Arsenal went to Cardiff, dominated the play and were incisive when needed. We, on the other hand, went to Cardiff, had clear possession but never really looked in control. We were also clumsy in defence and I'm sure Cardiff had more shots on target than us.

What we've seen so far is that we've not got to grips on our travels and possibly the best I've seen us play, when we changed the formation a little, was the Chelsea game. Maybe if we gave teams a little more respect and actually made it difficult for them to outplay our midfield then the losses and draws would turn into a greater points tally. Until we sort that out, Arsenal will carry on eclipsing us and stay, points wise, well infront.

One thing I will say is that people need to stop relying on Arsenal falling apart and having faith that we'll come good. There's no guarantee with either and putting blind faith in the hope it happens seems very naive to say the least.


I think both games were the same apart from they scored on the break at the end & Cardiff missed a couple of chances.

But I haven't said anything which would reasonably suggest 'blind faith' in anything. I've mentioned what usually happens in football, & probably will happen again.

As for the rest; if Arsenal don't slip up, we are fucked, so yes I'm counting on them slipping up otherwise we are out of the race, now.

But why is it that last season, you were jumping down my throat regularly for suggesting that we had blown our chance of catching the rags, yet now you are criticising me for talking about Arsenal slipping up ?

The rags had already been to all the tough away grounds & were rocketing away from everyone, were experienced title winners & had Ferguson in charge. Arsenal have been to one top away ground, & lost & have a history of bottling it.

Why do you think they are so much less likely to slip up than the rags were last season, that you are now lecturing people for being optimistic ?
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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:06 pm

I'm not lecturing anybody Ted as this is a debate. One thing you have seemed to devise from my posts is that I believe Arsenal have already won it when that clearly isn't my stance. It's the way it is being banded around as if it's a matter of fact, just as it was last year and the year before with us.

Last season we fell short as a team whereas the year before we pulled it back. That's the thing, anything can happen. Arsenal may go on a mazy run or they may fall flat on their arse, same as us.

As for deriding, I've no need to deride anybody for their opinion, although I will try to keep a bright outlook on things. I have that same outlook this year and believe that we'll pull it back, just not the way some others are envisaging.

Lecturing, deriding, anybody would think you're being a little soft there mate.
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Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:27 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:I'm not lecturing anybody Ted as this is a debate. One thing you have seemed to devise from my posts is that I believe Arsenal have already won it when that clearly isn't my stance. It's the way it is being banded around as if it's a matter of fact, just as it was last year and the year before with us.

Last season we fell short as a team whereas the year before we pulled it back. That's the thing, anything can happen. Arsenal may go on a mazy run or they may fall flat on their arse, same as us.

As for deriding, I've no need to deride anybody for their opinion, although I will try to keep a bright outlook on things. I have that same outlook this year and believe that we'll pull it back, just not the way some others are envisaging.

Lecturing, deriding, anybody would think you're being a little soft there mate.


All I'm saying is that last season, you were telling me you expected the rags to fall apart, which I would have agreed if there had been anyone pressing them hard enough. We were the only team who could, & we blew it. I figured the fixtures list had written that out by Christmas.

This season there are a bunch of teams who can press Arsenal. I expect one or two, or all of them will do sooner or later.

If Arsenal come through that, they will deservedly win the league & they will achieve a different level to their usual performance.

I haven't seen anything yet to suggest they can. They always have spells of playing good football, lose to Utd, another spell, take points off us, fuck up elsewhere, another spell of great football, lose 4 on the trot, Wenger out, come blistering back, lose to Utd, etc etc.

Not seen any evidence yet that will change. Likewise, I haven't seen anything in City's performances that says we can't get our shit together & beat everybody, every week, even in 2nd gear. We have about 50% more in us imo, wheras Arse are at full capacity.

If I see a change in either, I'll adjust my opinion accordingly.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:39 pm

And that's what I do Ted, adjust my opinion as the season goes on. Arsenal may lose the 3 big games coming up which alters the view dramatically. Saying that, we have to ensure we do the business and nobody else takes advantage.

Long way to go yet in such a tight race. Arsenal are the only team to look the part but that can all change in a very short time.
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Postby Tesl » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:47 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Not seen any evidence yet that will change. Likewise, I haven't seen anything in City's performances that says we can't get our shit together & beat everybody, every week, even in 2nd gear. We have about 50% more in us imo, wheras Arse are at full capacity.


I think, and really really hope (!), that this is the case.

If Arsenal can keep picking up points at the same rate they are doing now we will not be able to catch them and they will win the league comfortably. But the second half of their season is tougher than the first, and their end of season run doesn't look easy, so there is plenty of room for them to bollocks it up.

Besides, if Everton win today we are suddenly only 5 points behind them with the next fixture playing them at home. All of a sudden most of us would probably start feeling very confident about catching them.

Though if they win today and then get a result against us I fear we are toast.

I'm going to be as nervous watching their game today as I get about our own matches probably.

On the plus side its 100x nicer chasing Arsenal than chasing the filth down the road.
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Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:59 pm

Too much long term thinking in this thread. Game at a time!
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