BobKowalski wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:
Not sure any of them would get the opportunity to prove it these days. Not at top clubs, only 2nd tier & if you're not at a top club you don't win trophies & if you don't win stuff you don't get the chance to manage a top club. Catch 22. Hence foreigners who win stuff abroad getting the jobs.
No way would Gary Cook or David Gill etc have put Clough in charge under any circumstances anyway, too dangerous.
Moyes may get a shot at a top job but he'll be the last Brit to get one for some time I imagine.
Maybe I'm a romantic but I like to think they would. Clough would have flourished even more in the 24/7 media age Shankly too although Joe being a more reserved character maybe not however with Allison at his side I think that would have been catered for.
My own view is that the lack of British managers at the top is down to the fact they aren't good enough and that the world game has left them behind. Keegan managed England and was painfully exposed at the highest level. Contrast with Sven who qualified comfortabley and found his level at the QF stage. McLaren also bombed but again a foreign coach Capello qualifies with relative ease although we have yet to see how fares in a major final
Moyes is unlikely to get a top job becuase he is not good enough. The derby with pool down to 10 men was a poor showing from Everton and Rafa was right when he poured derision over Moyes and his men. Beating a Chelsea once every decade is his level. I'll give Mclaren credit for going abroad as this is something all the top coaches should do. But no way do we have a Mourinho winning titles in three different countries or a Sven who did the same or even someone like Mancini who comes over here to learn the lingo and takes on a big job in a foreign country mid season and with the media on his back because of the way his predecessor was sacked. The only British manager I can see doing that is Hodgeson because he has done it before and MoN who has the balls even if he is a long ball merchant! And even when we did have a good English manager who could have managed a top team in Bobby Robson who took Newcastle to a 5th and 4th place finish what did Newcastle do? Sacked him for the biggest cock in football management Graeme fucking Souness, which every silly twat said was a good move and would restore 'discipline' to the dressing room and get the players 'fighting' for the shirt. Well what it got them was well and truly fucked. Stupid bastards.
British managers like goalkeepers used to be the best in the world. This stopped being true over a decade ago. Its a shame because I want England to have an English manager and much as I respect the job Capello has done its not quite the same with an Italian in charge.
It's funny thing though, regarding Ted's post as well, the two English managers you mention there Hodgson and Sir Bobby both left England to manage elsewhere and to further their careers. I don't see what's stopping promising British managers leaving UK to further their careers especially if they feel their careers are stalling because of the whole top 4 thing.
Let's look at Moyes for example, he has been excellent manager for Everton (and for Preston before that). However for top 4 clubs (which I would include ourselves as well) the biggest question mark would be how'd he'd adapt to bigger surroundings and bigger name players and most importantly how'd he'd do in big European competitions, one of the key things for top 4 clubs. If he'd take the chance and go elsewhere and indeed prove his credentials I'm sure he'd be hottest property around.
For what it's worth, I also agree about Clough and Shankly who wer without a question some of the best managers in the world at the time and they would've rise to the top no matter what. Like you said, Clough would've been even bigger star in modern game. Despite coming through as overly traditional (usually in jest as well) his sides actually played very modern football.
Regarding Sir Bobby's sacking in Newcastle and replacing him with biggest fucking cock in the game, Souey, it would've been absolute comedy gold if it wasn't actually really fookin sad.
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