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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:57 am

stupot wrote:
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stupot wrote:Getting a bit boring this " Laporte shit in big games " narrative. Dias had a mare yesterday and the 2 full backs were shit. Biggest home game so far was Chelsea and it was Laporte/ Stones.


Well, because he is shit in big games. The history is there.
Like it or not.

The most recent big game is Chelsea


You are missing the point.
Every big game once in a while Laporte is a calamity, and usual in key moments.. Not in every game, but in most cases, in key moments, he is involved. Lyon, Scouse, Spuds, all UCL. Salah ripping him apart with every chance he has, etc.
He never stepped up and lead the defense.

Like Mendy, like Sterling, he is a weak link that teams know.
I hope with Scouse and rags we will see Stones
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby nottsblue » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:58 am

branny wrote:
Mase wrote:Liverpool beat Leeds Wednesday they’re then 3 points behind us. We need to stop this “6 points” nonsense thinking it’s a 100 point gap.


They also know now that it's back in their own hands. They'll be scenting blood.

I can see the dippers losing a max of two games from here on in. The match at ours in April will probably determine the title. And that worries me as the officials on the pitch and in the VAR in the old Anfield boot room will have their six
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:04 am

ayrshireblue wrote:
sheblue wrote:It was just a bad day too many played too badly. We will get it out of our system and move on.

We really lack an instinctive striker who will find space and get chances against bus parkers. It's still astonishing that situation was allowed to develop.

Yesterday prime Sergio gets onto some of them crosses. Crosses that were made to nobody!

We go on with what we have and even without a striker I am still hopeful we will win the league.


We kept on putting those crosses in though. Why did Pep not see fit to put on Delap, who he says terrorises Dias, Stones and Laporte in training, to try and get on the end of them. We could have taken off any one of a number of players without affecting the team too much. Instead Laporte was pushed upfront in a Big Sam style move. I expect better from Pep.


But what happened with Palmer? Is he injured? Was he injured?
Since he start scoring he played less and less.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:12 am

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carl_feedthegoat wrote:Rodri and Laporte - both a complete joke today

Add Dias to that.

Just a shit day. I thought that Foden and Kev had no impact at all as they were marked out of the game. I thought that Sterling should’ve stayed and one of them gone off for Mahrez
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I wasn’t expecting that second half where every attack from them seemed a goal in waiting. It was obscene.

I thought it was 2-3

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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby stevefromdonny » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:19 am

all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Mase » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:29 am

stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:59 am

Mase wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.


That comes to not having a plan B, something we always talked about here.
Pepinho doesn't believe in the kitchen sink tactic, no matter the score. We had our share of comebacks this season, the PSG one comes to mind, but we did not change anything in that game, we played the same and they finally cracked. But this doesn't happen every time and you need something else.
Was wondering yesterday after they went 3-2, we were still passing, side to side, instead of shooting.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Dubciteh » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:08 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Mase wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.


That comes to not having a plan B, something we always talked about here.
Pepinho doesn't believe in the kitchen sink tactic, no matter the score. We had our share of comebacks this season, the PSG one comes to mind, but we did not change anything in that game, we played the same and they finally cracked. But this doesn't happen every time and you need something else.
Was wondering yesterday after they went 3-2, we were still passing, side to side, instead of shooting.



It works against 99 percent of teams. We will get days like yesterday cant win them all. Spurs basically scored from all their shots bar one. That wont happen all the time.

We had to lose some time, we have battered everyone for the last 18 months playing the way we do and no one can stop us. We dont need to actually change anything.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Mase » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:10 pm

Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Mase wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.


That comes to not having a plan B, something we always talked about here.
Pepinho doesn't believe in the kitchen sink tactic, no matter the score. We had our share of comebacks this season, the PSG one comes to mind, but we did not change anything in that game, we played the same and they finally cracked. But this doesn't happen every time and you need something else.
Was wondering yesterday after they went 3-2, we were still passing, side to side, instead of shooting.



It works against 99 percent of teams. We will get days like yesterday cant win them all. Spurs basically scored from all their shots bar one. That wont happen all the time.

We had to lose some time, we have battered everyone for the last 18 months playing the way we do and no one can stop us. We dont need to actually change anything.


Apart from Southampton a few weeks ago.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:15 pm

Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Mase wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.


That comes to not having a plan B, something we always talked about here.
Pepinho doesn't believe in the kitchen sink tactic, no matter the score. We had our share of comebacks this season, the PSG one comes to mind, but we did not change anything in that game, we played the same and they finally cracked. But this doesn't happen every time and you need something else.
Was wondering yesterday after they went 3-2, we were still passing, side to side, instead of shooting.



It works against 99 percent of teams. We will get days like yesterday cant win them all. Spurs basically scored from all their shots bar one. That wont happen all the time.

We had to lose some time, we have battered everyone for the last 18 months playing the way we do and no one can stop us. We dont need to actually change anything.


Yep, it's the best system out there, without a doubt.
The upgrade we've got from Sacchi was phenomenal. but still, we need something when everything else is not working.

Can't say if it's tactical or comes to player's inspiration. Thinking of Vinnie vs Leicester.
I keep on going to that and how everyone was "Vinnie don't shoot", etc.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby stupot » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:18 pm

PeterParker wrote:
stupot wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
stupot wrote:Getting a bit boring this " Laporte shit in big games " narrative. Dias had a mare yesterday and the 2 full backs were shit. Biggest home game so far was Chelsea and it was Laporte/ Stones.


Well, because he is shit in big games. The history is there.
Like it or not.

The most recent big game is Chelsea


You are missing the point.
Every big game once in a while Laporte is a calamity, and usual in key moments.. Not in every game, but in most cases, in key moments, he is involved. Lyon, Scouse, Spuds, all UCL. Salah ripping him apart with every chance he has, etc.
He never stepped up and lead the defense.

Like Mendy, like Sterling, he is a weak link that teams know.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:26 pm

stupot wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
stupot wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
stupot wrote:Getting a bit boring this " Laporte shit in big games " narrative. Dias had a mare yesterday and the 2 full backs were shit. Biggest home game so far was Chelsea and it was Laporte/ Stones.


Well, because he is shit in big games. The history is there.
Like it or not.

The most recent big game is Chelsea


You are missing the point.
Every big game once in a while Laporte is a calamity, and usual in key moments.. Not in every game, but in most cases, in key moments, he is involved. Lyon, Scouse, Spuds, all UCL. Salah ripping him apart with every chance he has, etc.
He never stepped up and lead the defense.

Like Mendy, like Sterling, he is a weak link that teams know.
I hope with Scouse and rags we will see Stones[/quote
The point is 3 of our back 4 were directly responsible for the goals scored against us yesterday and yet you're having a go at the only one who wasn't]


I am not having a go for his responsibility on the goals, but his overall contribution is about his whole role in the squad and that he should not start because he is prone to fuck up.
As Nool pointed out, he is a big bottler.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Outcast » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:11 pm

Forget players out for form, tactics etc... We'll have to reassess matchday thread creators, win, draw and loss ratios. Should bench the ones out of form with high loss ratio, I think this should go to a poll.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby PeterParker » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:20 pm

Outcast wrote:Forget players out for form, tactics etc... We'll have to reassess matchday thread creators, win, draw and loss ratios. Should bench the ones out of form with high loss ratio, I think this should go to a poll.


Agree, I think we turned to shit since not calling other teams Muppets in the title thread.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby CTID Hants » Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:56 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Outcast wrote:Forget players out for form, tactics etc... We'll have to reassess matchday thread creators, win, draw and loss ratios. Should bench the ones out of form with high loss ratio, I think this should go to a poll.


Agree, I think we turned to shit since not calling other teams Muppets in the title thread.


Disagree PP, we were beginning to be a it raggy and disrespectful
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby patrickblue » Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:30 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Outcast wrote:Forget players out for form, tactics etc... We'll have to reassess matchday thread creators, win, draw and loss ratios. Should bench the ones out of form with high loss ratio, I think this should go to a poll.


Agree, I think we turned to shit since not calling other teams Muppets in the title thread.


Disagree PP, we were beginning to be a it raggy and disrespectful


That's one thing I could never become, rag like. If we go that way, I'm out.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Harry Dowd scored » Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:34 pm

Tough defeat to take against such a horrible club, but onwards and upwards we are still top and maybe this defeat might get the team to realise you can lose to any team if you relax or lose total focus
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Outcast » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:30 pm

Mase wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Mase wrote:
stevefromdonny wrote:all this pass to take an age to get near the pen area is very weak, we start from the back pass pass go backward pass pass go forward pass sidewards go a bit forward then go back, hoping that we bring the other team out, which most of the time does not work, need to work the ball a lot quicker to go forward, sterling is supposed to be fast but he gets the ball and goes forward then stops until a player comes to him then he passes back, ffs just run at them before they come to him, then trying to walk the ball into the net, just have a shot when out of the area and stop playing high balls into the area when we have 3 players under 5" 8 if playing that then put delap on, and the last when we get ball near our own area if we break we should have 4 players running there bollocks off to get up there a bit like liverpool do or spurs yesterday


That’s a good point about playing from the back and draws on the point I made earlier, when teams that are just happy to sit we struggle to figure out what to do.

Teams now know that if we’re playing around with it at the back they don’t have to press us they can just sit there and we won’t have an answer. In the past they’d press us and gaps would open. Not anymore.


That comes to not having a plan B, something we always talked about here.
Pepinho doesn't believe in the kitchen sink tactic, no matter the score. We had our share of comebacks this season, the PSG one comes to mind, but we did not change anything in that game, we played the same and they finally cracked. But this doesn't happen every time and you need something else.
Was wondering yesterday after they went 3-2, we were still passing, side to side, instead of shooting.



It works against 99 percent of teams. We will get days like yesterday cant win them all. Spurs basically scored from all their shots bar one. That wont happen all the time.

We had to lose some time, we have battered everyone for the last 18 months playing the way we do and no one can stop us. We dont need to actually change anything.


Apart from Southampton a few weeks ago.


Vermins lost to a decimated Leicester side that 99.5% on paper should have won.
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby Harry Dowd scored » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:40 pm

Everton away next, hopefully a positive response from the team
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Re: ***Champs v Spurs (H) 5.30pm K.O.| Official Match Thread

Postby s1ty m » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:23 pm

Fuck me, I can't even bring myself to watch the You Tube vloggers, which I usually really enjoy. That game fucked my head up. Fuming doesn't begin to describe it. Oh FFS, I can't pull myself together and gain some perspective. My God I despise Spurs. 81 was horrible, marred part of my adolescence, the CL cheat thing was spontaneous combustion, but yesterday is totally unfathomable and I'm wiping my fanny because I think we are going to throw away a title. Throat cut, I'll get my coat.
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