Kloppy's juices

[PeterParker]

Now that the season is gone, what do you think is actually Klopp a cheating cunt?

His record at Dortmund and Scouse is quite odd, two teams that played at a very intensity and seem not to have issue, however, his best players either became flops or injury prone after leaving.

Hummels and Goetze, a fiasco at Bayern.
Subotic, at some point one of the best defenders of the world, inexplicable drop after him.
Gundog, class, but injury-prone a few years.
Sahin, considered the next best thing, injury prone at Madrid and a fiasco
Coutinho - flop after leaving
Wijnaldum - fantastic box to box leaving, can't stay fit at PSG.
Kagawa - we all know how that ended at United.

And they are just the tip of the iceberg.
The only one who seem that made it is Lewandowski, the rest have dodgy issues.

We spoke a lot about this the past seasons, but what do you think? The cunt has a dopey system?

[Original Dub]

Not sure about doping - I think this asthma bullshit needs looking at for sure.

You could be on to something with regards his former top players alright, but that could also be that he burns them out with his heavy metal (aka kick and rush) football.

Sure, they press the ball quickly, but we press the ball well. And we're a lot more clever in possession, so burn out isn't nearly as big a factor as it most likely is with them.

[Original Dub]

If only we had the calibre of player that Liverpool have, imagine the trophies we'd win.

We've only half the top players that Liverpool have so hats off to pep and all his coaching team for pulling off what can only be described as an epic underdog achievement.

https://www.90min.com/posts/pfa-premier ... ar-2021-22

[sheblue]

All I can say is thanks be to fuck they didn't fluke the quad.
Life would be unbearable now.

[Dimples]

Klopp is the best coach in the world, he gets players to outperform their natural abilities. Post Klopp, with mere mortal coaches the drop in performance levels are understandable.

IMO without doubt there is something going on.
Once you hear of a guru with special training methods and natural brews and then the athletes start outperforming themselves, there is little doubt.

Four alarm bells ringing:
1. The stamina levels are off the charts
2. The injuries associated with those stamina levels don't happen
3. The volume of asthmatics in their squad
4. The fitness, nutritional and r&r gurus.....

[gmercer1]

Strange how once the talk about Asthma came out, the Dippers energy really seemed to drop off the last few games of the season.

Same when it was the Covid season......obviously players being tested every week and the Dippers were woeful that season.

[rosbif cuisson 'bleu']

Klopp is the best coach in the world, he gets players to outperform their natural abilities. Post Klopp, with mere mortal coaches the drop in performance levels are understandable.

IMO without doubt there is something going on.
Once you hear of a guru with special training methods and natural brews and then the athletes start outperforming themselves, there is little doubt.

Four alarm bells ringing:
1. The stamina levels are off the charts
2. The injuries associated with those stamina levels don't happen
3. The volume of asthmatics in their squad
4. The fitness, nutritional and r&r gurus.....

I don't see how anybody is surprised anymore at the amount of 'asthmatics' , salbutamol is a bronchiodilator and I'm sure there are newer and more efficient ones out there these days, it's blatant cheating ( cheers pro cycling!) , but it seems to be accepted. However I doubt very much that any club's players are all squeaky clean, ours included.
P.S. Where do you draw the line? Messi and growth hormone is , IMO, doping.

[john68]

I think doping of one sort or another is highly prevalent in most sports at the elite end and just below.
Top end teams and athletes are chasing better and better performances, whilst those who are just below the top standard are seeking to join the top ehelons of their sport.
There is a perennial battle between the doping authorities such as WADA and UKAD and teams and individuals.

Two major controversies come to mind; the Spanish Dr Fuentes case and the issues with British Cycling, the JIffy bag incident and the subsequent investigation of the doctor involved in that case.

In the Fuentes case, the Spanish judiciary initially held back the case, refused to allow any athletes on Fuente's client list to be identified and then refused to allow the blood bags used to be released to the various sporting authorities to further stop identification of those clients.

The case against British Cycling was a shambles. The excuses used by BC and the then Team Sky, almost defied reason. WADA was/is highly critical of UKAD's investigation and has called for UKAD to be investigated.

International sporting stars bring kudos to a nation's sporting reputation. Winning major tennis comps, winning the Tour de France etc or being an Olympic gold medal creates national heroes and Icons. I question whether there is any institutional will to properly investigate current doping problems.

The doping authorities always seem to be one step behind the labs and the dopers, playing catch up. The use of TUEs maybe morally wrong but remains a legal
way of cheating. Doctors' diagnosing illnesses, then applying for permission to prescribe usually banned drugs that in themselves are performance enhancing is (I believe) more prevalent than we get to know but nobody seems to want to challenge the doctors' initial diagnosis

[john68]

Klopp is the best coach in the world, he gets players to outperform their natural abilities. Post Klopp, with mere mortal coaches the drop in performance levels are understandable.

IMO without doubt there is something going on.
Once you hear of a guru with special training methods and natural brews and then the athletes start outperforming themselves, there is little doubt.

Four alarm bells ringing:
1. The stamina levels are off the charts
2. The injuries associated with those stamina levels don't happen
3. The volume of asthmatics in their squad
4. The fitness, nutritional and r&r gurus.....

I don't see how anybody is surprised anymore at the amount of 'asthmatics' , salbutamol is a bronchiodilator and I'm sure there are newer and more efficient ones out there these days, it's blatant cheating ( cheers pro cycling!) , but it seems to be accepted. However I doubt very much that any club's players are all squeaky clean, ours included.
P.S. Where do you draw the line? Messi and growth hormone is , IMO, doping.

I don't think pro cycling is any worse that any other sport Rosbif. Pro cycling still remains the most tested sport at the top level. More testing will undoubtably catch and find more drug users. That is not to say I t5hink pro cycling is in any way clean, it clearly isn't. The same applies with top end global athletics.

I do question the lack of testing in other sports and wonder why the likes of tennis players, boxers, footballers etc rarely if ever seem to be caught.

If the dippers are guilty of juicing up, why hasn't the fact they have more asthmatics been challenged by the national, sporting or anti doping institutions?