oh dear! pl charges

[Dimples]

We stand together and all that, but quite frankly, I've lost my appetite to watch football, beautiful game my arse. This is turning into a courtroom drama. I hate these fuckers with passion.

Feel the same - I just can’t be arsed with the theatre of all of this

Every WWF type VAR decision kills the beautiful game a little more. Death by a thousand cuts.

[Harry Dowd scored]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

[ruralblue]

Fuck em all.

Maybe the day trippers might fuck off and Torquay at home might become affordable to fuckers like me.

We'll end up with a slap on wrist over certain things but nothing to the degree that the media and other cunts are making out.

Point deduction and a transfer ban tops.

Hope to fuck they have nothing on us that can be proven and we walk away from this with our heads held high!

[Bluemoon4610]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

No legal training, but my belief is that the whole legal basis in England is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, if we are not found guilty, then we are STILL innocent. The only part of the UK where I've heard Not Proven was when I lived in Scotland.

[Harry Dowd scored]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

No legal training, but my belief is that the whole legal basis in England is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Therefore, if we are not found guilty, then we are STILL innocent. The only part of the UK where I've heard Not Proven was when I lived in Scotland.

You are correct, what I was trying to say is those that have charged us have to prove we are guilty, the burden is with them, they may fail to do that and that would mean not guilty, but that in itself does not prove innocence. We may well be innocent but a not guilty verdict does mean we are. Anyway we are more or less on same page here, these are points of order.

[Original Dub]

So you're saying as soon as you are accused, you are no longer innocent, regardless of the verdict?

[Harry Dowd scored]

So you're saying as soon as you are accused, you are no longer innocent, regardless of the verdict?

No I am trying (but failing) to say the burden of proof is with the accusers. They have to prove we are guilty.

[Original Dub]

So you're saying as soon as you are accused, you are no longer innocent, regardless of the verdict?

No I am trying (but failing) to say the burden of proof is with the accusers. They have to prove we are guilty.

Sorry, yes indeed.

Which is strange because the hacks and the pundits are already talking like we are guilty.

Doesn't such massive and incessant media narrative not completely undermine any due process with regards to a fair trial??

[Mase]

Good example of not guilty but definitely not innocent is OJ Simpson.

Think Harry means we will be seen as not innocent whatever the verdict. We’ve been tried by social media and we’re “not innocent” already.

[Harry Dowd scored]

Good example of not guilty but definitely not innocent is OJ Simpson.

Think Harry means we will be seen as not innocent whatever the verdict. We’ve been tried by social media and we’re “not innocent” already.

Exactly, Dub alludes to this, in the media it has been decided we are guilty, it is just a matter of what the punishment will be.

[patrickblue]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, others will say we've got away with it.

[patrickblue]

And to go back to the original premise, if we are found not guilty, innocent or not proven, there will be huge repercussions for the FA.

[nottsblue]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, other will say we've got away with it.

You only have to hear the media regarding transfers and big spenders. We are ALWAYS mentioned despite having one of the better net depends of the PL over-the-counter last 5 years

[Harry Dowd scored]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, other will say we've got away with it.

You are correct, but the pundits, Sky and media will not be trumpeting our innocence whatever happens, they are already putting a “tarnished “ narrative out there. All we want is for it to be resolved with City prevailing and eventually it will go away.

[patrickblue]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, other will say we've got away with it.

You only have to hear the media regarding transfers and big spenders. We are ALWAYS mentioned despite having one of the better net depends of the PL over-the-counter last 5 years

Agree, but trial by media is always going to happen, and it's not the same as legal proceedings.
We'll always be the bad guys in a lot of eyes because we've dared to rock the boat, but getting shite from the media isn't the same as being found guilty of breaking the rules.

[patrickblue]

If we do get found guilty, it will open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.It will effectively say our Audit process is totally inefficient, that will alert HMRC who usually accept the accounts when signed off by the auditors. Once that Genie is out of the bottle, god knows where it will end.
That said, we are looking at years rather than months before this is concluded.

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, other will say we've got away with it.

You are correct, but the pundits, Sky and media will not be trumpeting our innocence whatever happens, they are already putting a “tarnished “ narrative out there. All we want is for it to be resolved with City prevailing and eventually it will go away.

As far as the media are concerned, I don't think it will make any difference. Certainly the CAS verdict didn't, they just said we'd got off on a technicality, and continued with the tarnished narrative.

[nottsblue]

If we're found innocent, it will also open a can of worms the like of which has never been seen.

We will not be found innocent it doesn’t work like that, we may be found not guilty which is a totally different judgement, not guilty means they could not prove the charges, doesn’t mean innocent it means case not proven.

By definition, if we are not guilty we are innocent. If it's case not proven we are still innocent as in law we are innocent until proven guilty.
All splitting hairs anyway, as the club and all of us would claim innocence, other will say we've got away with it.

You only have to hear the media regarding transfers and big spenders. We are ALWAYS mentioned despite having one of the better net depends of the PL over-the-counter last 5 years

Agree, but trial by media is always going to happen, and it's not the same as legal proceedings.
We'll always be the bad guys in a lot of eyes because we've dared to rock the boat, but getting shite from the media isn't the same as being found guilty of breaking the rules.

It's possibly worse. The general public believe what they want to hear. They dont/won't get that from a courtroom. They will get it from the media who regardless of what happens in a court of law, will peddle their own agenda's

[Harry Dowd scored]

mcfc lads

@mcfc_lads
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1h
The Manchester United fans have been singing “City’s going down with a billion in the bank” tonight.

They think they’ve done something

We’ve been singing that for years

[Harry Dowd scored]

The Premier League’s case against Manchester City is likely to take 2-4 years to be completed.

(Source:
@martynziegler
)

[zuricity]

As our owner has said in the past , he will pay lawyers as needed to win these cases.