Cole Palmer - Deal Agreed with Chelsea

[johnny crossan]

I saw the ridiculous Delaney attack ( presumably on us) for selling academy players. We offer young players with talent and application a superb football education. Inevitably the vast majority won’t make it to the City first team but if they get a good career they benefit. The idea that we shouldn’t benefit too for our investment in them is crackers.

[Wooders]

Can’t help but think he will only go and do the same role there but everything else like coaching, training facilities etc will be inferior

[Dubciteh]

Confirmed he has left. Real pity but wish him the best.

[blues2win]

Seven year contract with the option of an extra year! We would never have offered him that.

[PeterParker]

I don't think he will make it, to be honest.

[BlueinBosnia]

Seven year contract with the option of an extra year! We would never have offered him that.

I wonder what kind of wage he's on. If it's something like £40K, or incremental based on appearances/longevity, then it's not bad business by them, I'd have thought. Also, I'm not sure of the new FFP rules, but I think they can only amortize transfer fees over the first 5 years. So that's £9m per season, but they can top-load it to this season, as they haven't qualified for European football.

[john@staustell]

Seven year contract with the option of an extra year! We would never have offered him that.

I wonder what kind of wage he's on. If it's something like £40K, or incremental based on appearances/longevity, then it's not bad business by them, I'd have thought. Also, I'm not sure of the new FFP rules, but I think they can only amortize transfer fees over the first 5 years. So that's £9m per season, but they can top-load it to this season, as they haven't qualified for European football.

That's all the fuss about Chelsea's spending, amortizing over 8 years isn't it? Loophole being closed shortly

This transfer is one of the daftest purchases I've ever heard of, including Steve Daley!

[BlueinBosnia]

Seven year contract with the option of an extra year! We would never have offered him that.

I wonder what kind of wage he's on. If it's something like £40K, or incremental based on appearances/longevity, then it's not bad business by them, I'd have thought. Also, I'm not sure of the new FFP rules, but I think they can only amortize transfer fees over the first 5 years. So that's £9m per season, but they can top-load it to this season, as they haven't qualified for European football.

That's all the fuss about Chelsea's spending, amortizing over 8 years isn't it? Loophole being closed shortly

This transfer is one of the daftest purchases I've ever heard of, including Steve Daley!

The loophole's already closed. Maximum 5 years of amortization for any deal completed after 1 July. So if they'd have signed him at the start of the transfer window (which opened 14 June), it would have been 6.4 million per season for 7 seasons, but because they signed him now, it's 9 million per season over 5 seasons.

[johnny crossan]

Seven year contract with the option of an extra year! We would never have offered him that.

I wonder what kind of wage he's on. If it's something like £40K, or incremental based on appearances/longevity, then it's not bad business by them, I'd have thought. Also, I'm not sure of the new FFP rules, but I think they can only amortize transfer fees over the first 5 years. So that's £9m per season, but they can top-load it to this season, as they haven't qualified for European football.

That's all the fuss about Chelsea's spending, amortizing over 8 years isn't it? Loophole being closed shortly

This transfer is one of the daftest purchases I've ever heard of, including Steve Daley!

The loophole's already closed. Maximum 5 years of amortization for any deal completed after 1 July. So if they'd have signed him at the start of the transfer window (which opened 14 June), it would have been 6.4 million per season for 7 seasons, but because they signed him now, it's 9 million per season over 5 seasons.

Accountancy tricks aside I think Cole & his family are all delighted with a 7 year contract at £100k + a week

[nottsblue]

Not many crying when he left.

Hindsight is wonderful. And with it the sale was a very poor choice. But, at the time to get the fee we did for who was a squad player at best, was the correct decision for us as a business to make.

Turns out it was wrong choice but that also is as much to do with the players we brought in as Palmer himself. Had Doku or Nunes or Savinho set the world on fire this wouldn't be an issue.

[Original Dub]

Not many crying when he left.

Hindsight is wonderful. And with it the sale was a very poor choice. But, at the time to get the fee we did for who was a squad player at best, was the correct decision for us as a business to make.

Turns out it was wrong choice but that also is as much to do with the players we brought in as Palmer himself. Had Doku or Nunes or Savinho set the world on fire this wouldn't be an issue.

It's as i remember it at the time. Most not arsed.

I wouldn't be so quick to give up on savinho or doku by any stretch.

I think they're both the same age or younger than palmer?

Very different players obviously

[Mase]

We don’t see him in training every day. That’s Pep

[Mase]

We might regret this one. Id rather Palmer over Doku.

Feels like we are extremely light in the creativity department. Even before this sale i thought that, this doesnt help.

You had it spot on.

[Nick]

Only cos he didnt kick on in the last 6 months which in hindsight is peps fault - like grealish - pep wanted him chained to a wing with no freedom.

I wanted palmer to go to qatar world cup.

I actually think for the first time pep is starting to doubt himself.

[PeterParker]

I don't think he will make it, to be honest.

[Mase]

There’s nothing we can do about this now.

The whole deal was weird - no buy back or sell on, that’s out of character for City. He asked to go out on loan and was told by Pep he’d have to go properly.

It’s on Pep. We can keep beating ourselves up about it but it’s on Pep.

We talk about how well ran the club is, and obviously it is in a lot of aspects, but how we’ve allowed Palmer to leave because the manager spat his dummy out and how we’ve allowed this squad to age to the point we’re not able to keep up with teams anymore is worrying.

At some point someone should have stepped in and said it doesn’t matter if you like a small squad, we’ve got players that are constantly injured and/or over 30 so we need to start to replace them.

[carl_feedthegoat]

There’s nothing we can do about this now.

The whole deal was weird - no buy back or sell on, that’s out of character for City. He asked to go out on loan and was told by Pep he’d have to go properly.

It’s on Pep. We can keep beating ourselves up about it but it’s on Pep.

We talk about how well ran the club is, and obviously it is in a lot of aspects, but how we’ve allowed Palmer to leave because the manager spat his dummy out and how we’ve allowed this squad to age to the point we’re not able to keep up with teams anymore is worrying.

At some point someone should have stepped in and said it doesn’t matter if you like a small squad, we’ve got players that are constantly injured and/or over 30 so we need to start to replace them.

And yet some deluded people still think all transfers ins and outs isn't Pep's decision, when its fucking clear as day it is.
PeP wouldn't be in the City job if he didn't rule on every single transfer.......he would have fucked off if that wasnt the case.

[Mase]

There’s nothing we can do about this now.

The whole deal was weird - no buy back or sell on, that’s out of character for City. He asked to go out on loan and was told by Pep he’d have to go properly.

It’s on Pep. We can keep beating ourselves up about it but it’s on Pep.

We talk about how well ran the club is, and obviously it is in a lot of aspects, but how we’ve allowed Palmer to leave because the manager spat his dummy out and how we’ve allowed this squad to age to the point we’re not able to keep up with teams anymore is worrying.

At some point someone should have stepped in and said it doesn’t matter if you like a small squad, we’ve got players that are constantly injured and/or over 30 so we need to start to replace them.

And yet some deluded people still think all transfers ins and outs isn't Pep's decision, when its fucking clear as day it is.
PeP wouldn't be in the City job if he didn't rule on every single transfer.......he would have fucked off if that wasnt the case.

Pep said Nunes was one of the best midfielders when he was at Sporting. 12+ months later we sign him.

If anyone thinks Pep doesn’t have final say on transfers they’re deluded.

[Nickyboy]

There’s nothing we can do about this now.

The whole deal was weird - no buy back or sell on, that’s out of character for City. He asked to go out on loan and was told by Pep he’d have to go properly.

It’s on Pep. We can keep beating ourselves up about it but it’s on Pep.

We talk about how well ran the club is, and obviously it is in a lot of aspects, but how we’ve allowed Palmer to leave because the manager spat his dummy out and how we’ve allowed this squad to age to the point we’re not able to keep up with teams anymore is worrying.

At some point someone should have stepped in and said it doesn’t matter if you like a small squad, we’ve got players that are constantly injured and/or over 30 so we need to start to replace them.

That's if you believe what Palmer has said over what Pep has said. There were plenty of ITK (including on here) at the time saying that he was desperate to leave and didn't care about City because he was a rag fan - His interview about only wanting to go out on loan seemed like a deflection to me, to keep the heat off of himself.


At the time it was the correct decision to do what we did (and we could only make that decision on the information available at the time) - we probably should have got more money for him in hindsight (but even the amount we got was decried at the time as OTT by the press). Players move on all the time and his continued success is still a testament to how great our academy is - It looks like an even worse decision now I think as its just been compounded by other mistakes regarding squad imbalance (also we let Mahrez go which wasn't originally in the plan for last summer).

I am concenred that if Foden continues his slump we will regrest it even more.

[Mase]

There’s nothing we can do about this now.

The whole deal was weird - no buy back or sell on, that’s out of character for City. He asked to go out on loan and was told by Pep he’d have to go properly.

It’s on Pep. We can keep beating ourselves up about it but it’s on Pep.

We talk about how well ran the club is, and obviously it is in a lot of aspects, but how we’ve allowed Palmer to leave because the manager spat his dummy out and how we’ve allowed this squad to age to the point we’re not able to keep up with teams anymore is worrying.

At some point someone should have stepped in and said it doesn’t matter if you like a small squad, we’ve got players that are constantly injured and/or over 30 so we need to start to replace them.

That's if you believe what Palmer has said over what Pep has said. There were plenty of ITK (including on here) at the time saying that he was desperate to leave and didn't care about City because he was a rag fan - His interview about only wanting to go out on loan seemed like a deflection to me, to keep the heat off of himself.


At the time it was the correct decision to do what we did (and we could only make that decision on the information available at the time) - we probably should have got more money for him in hindsight (but even the amount we got was decried at the time as OTT by the press). Players move on all the time and his continued success is still a testament to how great our academy is - It looks like an even worse decision now I think as its just been compounded by other mistakes regarding squad imbalance (also we let Mahrez go which wasn't originally in the plan for last summer).

I am concenred that if Foden continues his slump we will regrest it even more.

There’s no difference between what Pep has said and what Palmer has said. They both say that Palmer asked to leave, however Palmer goes further by saying it was on loan. Pep doesn’t specify. Do you think if Palmer was lying Pep would just let him lie and continue to make him look stupid?