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Re: Pep Out?

Postby PeterParker » Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:59 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
ayrshireblue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:At City, Pep has not necessarily had the best player in every position, but has made those players more than the sum of the team through the way he approaches football tactically. Cancelo, Sterling, Mahrez to name the 3 I think we miss the most right now - top quartile players who went into top decile in Pep's system because they were carefully selected for their football brain, not so much what everyone else saw in them.

If you look at how we're playing currently, the issue is that many of the players are playing at their natural top quartile level or below it, so there's no added value from Pep, and arguably there is negative value because there's an unwillingness to play differently.

The serious question if we were to ever consider making a change, is whether what we would be left with right now, is a squad full of top qaurtile players who would get us top quartile outcomes - maybe a little better if the 2-3 world class players we have, consistently turned up.

The risk we have when we look at the squad right now, we have Haaland, Foden, Rodri, Dias, Ederson as a world class spine, but when one of more of them aren't firing or fit, we're in reality no better player for player than Chelsea. So then if Pep's system out of the equation, where does that leave us - a new succession of managers like United failing to get a tune out of an expensively assembled squad?

Those of you who have been around a long time will remember I was probably the most aggressive proponents of manager change during hughes and mancini's tenure, but I think after a long tenure like Pep, we're in potential post-baconface territory here, as I honestly think most managers would struggle to get a tune out of most of the peripheral players - and that's not how this squad was supposed to be built.

I'm 100% sure that the reason Guardiola has 2 years, is that he's been told he needs to fuckin sort it out and leave a legacy, not a shitshow, and I think we're going to have to go with it.


Do you think Pep's system is still helping us or is it the system that is in fact hindering us. Pep seems determined not to change the system and is still playing some of the players who obviously can no longer work within that system. Is he trying to prove, at considerable cost to the club, that he needs certain players moved on and replaced like he did in his first season or is he just too arrogant to admit the system is not now working in the current game. We need more pace, quicker passing, less insistence on keeping possession and a system that is playing to the players strengths since the players we have signed don't suit the system.
Haaland is being wasted by not being supplied quickly, we now see the same thing with Marmoush who was making great runs which were constantly ignored by Bernardo. Eventually the players stop making the runs if the ball never comes and then we become the slow, pedestrian team that can't beat anyone who defends well and attacks with pace, which is now most of the top half of the Premier League.
Something has to change and change soon and at this point I think it has to be the manager as he is reluctant to make the changes to the system necessary to keep us at the very top of the game.


I don't like Pep's system - it has always been slow, pedestrian and mechanical, and even when we were still winning every game upto September/October, the signs were there that all was not well. Although we should have started the player replacements much sooner, I do have some sympathy for the likely internal view that the drop off in form of KDB, Silva and Foden, added to the injury to Rodri is not something that can have been predicted all at the same time - this has become an unplanned transitional year. As long as we make it to the CL, it won't have been a disaster.

The bright spots on the horizon are that Marmoush to me looks capable of being a like for like replacement or even upgrade on Alvarez, Savinho I think will come good given time though I'm not sure there's a player with the intelligence of Mahrez or pace of Sterling, and Khusanov looks quality.

The problem we have right now is that out of necessity, we have 3-4 players learning a totally new way of playing which requires their football intelligence to go up a couple of notches. We are currently 2 fullbacks and an entire in-form midfield short of executing that system - and as we know with nearly every new signing in the last 10 years, it has taken until the second year for most to see their true colours.

I guess the frustration of all of us, is that we know historically the way a manager normally gets out of these slumps is to go back to basics, gets the defensive stability back, then builds from there. Our defensive stability was always based on possession - and we're not there yet as neither the new or our of form players are stepping up to do the basics in terms of movement.......Marmoush is, but I don't think scoring is our problem, conceding is


But what do you do when your system becomes obsolete?
Even more, and you refuse to do something.

I am at point that I am 80% percent no matter who we bring in the summer. it will not solve our problem.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Sparklehorse » Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:30 pm

Nobody is tackling, all teams are just walking through us no bite, no urgency, not even any desire to put a tackle in. Now, in my view that is solely down to the manager. Where is the ball winning that we used to have…..as soon as we lost the ball we’d win it back within a few seconds, we were the envy of world football just for that and Pep was lauded for it. So, given that we’re not keeping the ball for very long these days, where is that desire to win it back gone ? When it’s actually more important. It’s just bad management plain and simple. I’m beginning to doubt his intelligence, because it’s so patently obvious to everyone but him. He's just another blathering ego, good when he’s good and he was but he ain’t no more. He will not get us to the CL and he will tell us how good we are and how proud he is when we don’t. The owners in my view have to step in and get rid now !!
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Nick » Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:00 pm

We should be exploring surely
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Mar 17, 2025 8:49 am

PeterParker wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
ayrshireblue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:At City, Pep has not necessarily had the best player in every position, but has made those players more than the sum of the team through the way he approaches football tactically. Cancelo, Sterling, Mahrez to name the 3 I think we miss the most right now - top quartile players who went into top decile in Pep's system because they were carefully selected for their football brain, not so much what everyone else saw in them.

If you look at how we're playing currently, the issue is that many of the players are playing at their natural top quartile level or below it, so there's no added value from Pep, and arguably there is negative value because there's an unwillingness to play differently.

The serious question if we were to ever consider making a change, is whether what we would be left with right now, is a squad full of top qaurtile players who would get us top quartile outcomes - maybe a little better if the 2-3 world class players we have, consistently turned up.

The risk we have when we look at the squad right now, we have Haaland, Foden, Rodri, Dias, Ederson as a world class spine, but when one of more of them aren't firing or fit, we're in reality no better player for player than Chelsea. So then if Pep's system out of the equation, where does that leave us - a new succession of managers like United failing to get a tune out of an expensively assembled squad?

Those of you who have been around a long time will remember I was probably the most aggressive proponents of manager change during hughes and mancini's tenure, but I think after a long tenure like Pep, we're in potential post-baconface territory here, as I honestly think most managers would struggle to get a tune out of most of the peripheral players - and that's not how this squad was supposed to be built.

I'm 100% sure that the reason Guardiola has 2 years, is that he's been told he needs to fuckin sort it out and leave a legacy, not a shitshow, and I think we're going to have to go with it.


Do you think Pep's system is still helping us or is it the system that is in fact hindering us. Pep seems determined not to change the system and is still playing some of the players who obviously can no longer work within that system. Is he trying to prove, at considerable cost to the club, that he needs certain players moved on and replaced like he did in his first season or is he just too arrogant to admit the system is not now working in the current game. We need more pace, quicker passing, less insistence on keeping possession and a system that is playing to the players strengths since the players we have signed don't suit the system.
Haaland is being wasted by not being supplied quickly, we now see the same thing with Marmoush who was making great runs which were constantly ignored by Bernardo. Eventually the players stop making the runs if the ball never comes and then we become the slow, pedestrian team that can't beat anyone who defends well and attacks with pace, which is now most of the top half of the Premier League.
Something has to change and change soon and at this point I think it has to be the manager as he is reluctant to make the changes to the system necessary to keep us at the very top of the game.


I don't like Pep's system - it has always been slow, pedestrian and mechanical, and even when we were still winning every game upto September/October, the signs were there that all was not well. Although we should have started the player replacements much sooner, I do have some sympathy for the likely internal view that the drop off in form of KDB, Silva and Foden, added to the injury to Rodri is not something that can have been predicted all at the same time - this has become an unplanned transitional year. As long as we make it to the CL, it won't have been a disaster.

The bright spots on the horizon are that Marmoush to me looks capable of being a like for like replacement or even upgrade on Alvarez, Savinho I think will come good given time though I'm not sure there's a player with the intelligence of Mahrez or pace of Sterling, and Khusanov looks quality.

The problem we have right now is that out of necessity, we have 3-4 players learning a totally new way of playing which requires their football intelligence to go up a couple of notches. We are currently 2 fullbacks and an entire in-form midfield short of executing that system - and as we know with nearly every new signing in the last 10 years, it has taken until the second year for most to see their true colours.

I guess the frustration of all of us, is that we know historically the way a manager normally gets out of these slumps is to go back to basics, gets the defensive stability back, then builds from there. Our defensive stability was always based on possession - and we're not there yet as neither the new or our of form players are stepping up to do the basics in terms of movement.......Marmoush is, but I don't think scoring is our problem, conceding is


But what do you do when your system becomes obsolete?
Even more, and you refuse to do something.

I am at point that I am 80% percent no matter who we bring in the summer. it will not solve our problem.


Who we bring in the summer won't move the needle much I don't think.....the main thing between now and then is to play the current squad and recent signings into form.

The only reason the system doesn't work right now is that we've had an entire midfield injured and/or out of form - while we could carry the loss of De Bruyne and even the loss of Foden's form in the first 2 months of the season - we were laboured (as we were for a lot of last season) because teams have learned to defend space properly against us - but we were still winning by simply overpowering teams.

But when Rodri added to those out of form, it was the straw that broke the camel's back, not helped by having no stable CB pairing all year being exposed to counter-attacks waltzing straight through our out of form midfield.

This is a once in an era mess - and in terms of fixing it, buying players with that intelligence Guardiola demands is only part of the equation, the other part is how quickly they can adapt to those demands so they know the phases of play instinctively where their team mates are going to be. The new signings will get there I think by the start of next season.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Nickyboy » Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:06 am

Pep wasn't given £200m to spend in Janaury - that's not how we're set up and haven't been the whole time that the Spanish lot have been in charge.

£200m was spent by the director of football on players that are deemed to fit the way city want to play. The whole philosophy of Soriano is not to let managers pick players - he's even written books about it.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:01 am

Nickyboy wrote:Pep wasn't given £200m to spend in Janaury - that's not how we're set up and haven't been the whole time that the Spanish lot have been in charge.

£200m was spent by the director of football on players that are deemed to fit the way city want to play. The whole philosophy of Soriano is not to let managers pick players - he's even written books about it.


That’s not true at all.

Phillips was Pep’s buy, after speaking with the former Leeds manager and getting his opinion. Nunes was getting bigged up by Pep long before we bought him - he was also, clearly, Pep’s buy.

If you think for one minute Pep doesn’t have last say on who we buy you’re delusional.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Nickyboy » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:19 am

Mase wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:Pep wasn't given £200m to spend in Janaury - that's not how we're set up and haven't been the whole time that the Spanish lot have been in charge.

£200m was spent by the director of football on players that are deemed to fit the way city want to play. The whole philosophy of Soriano is not to let managers pick players - he's even written books about it.


That’s not true at all.

Phillips was Pep’s buy, after speaking with the former Leeds manager and getting his opinion. Nunes was getting bigged up by Pep long before we bought him - he was also, clearly, Pep’s buy.

If you think for one minute Pep doesn’t have last say on who we buy you’re delusional.


of course he has an input. But we didn't just give him £200m and let him go and get whoever he wanted in Jan was the point I was making
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:25 am

Mase wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:Pep wasn't given £200m to spend in Janaury - that's not how we're set up and haven't been the whole time that the Spanish lot have been in charge.

£200m was spent by the director of football on players that are deemed to fit the way city want to play. The whole philosophy of Soriano is not to let managers pick players - he's even written books about it.


That’s not true at all.

Phillips was Pep’s buy, after speaking with the former Leeds manager and getting his opinion. Nunes was getting bigged up by Pep long before we bought him - he was also, clearly, Pep’s buy.

If you think for one minute Pep doesn’t have last say on who we buy you’re delusional.


I have a feeling that the longer he stayed in charge the more influence Guardiola had on proceedings and the more our club led philosophy on player purchases deteriorated (there seems a clear watershed 3 years ago where the calibre of incoming player became very questionable).

The exception being Haaland who I don't think Guardiola ever wanted.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:51 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Mase wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:Pep wasn't given £200m to spend in Janaury - that's not how we're set up and haven't been the whole time that the Spanish lot have been in charge.

£200m was spent by the director of football on players that are deemed to fit the way city want to play. The whole philosophy of Soriano is not to let managers pick players - he's even written books about it.


That’s not true at all.

Phillips was Pep’s buy, after speaking with the former Leeds manager and getting his opinion. Nunes was getting bigged up by Pep long before we bought him - he was also, clearly, Pep’s buy.

If you think for one minute Pep doesn’t have last say on who we buy you’re delusional.


I have a feeling that the longer he stayed in charge the more influence Guardiola had on proceedings and the more our club led philosophy on player purchases deteriorated (there seems a clear watershed 3 years ago where the calibre of incoming player became very questionable).

The exception being Haaland who I don't think Guardiola ever wanted.


I’d agree with Haaland. I think it changed the way Pep had to play and I don’t think it was his choice to get him. Luckily we went on to win the treble - but since then the service to Haaland has been terrible to nonexistent, I wonder if that’s on purpose…
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby PeterParker » Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:01 am

In case anyone missed this: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/capell ... 00239.html
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/arti ... g81nppwyko

Absolutely spot on, imho.

Pep replied that he hugs him. :roll:
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby CTID Hants » Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:08 pm

I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:32 am

CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."


Well said Julian. Get yourself a latte, Hants it’s a beauty of a post. I can feel the heat coming…… hahahaha.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:56 am

CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."



Walker and Gundo inexplicably didn’t work game after game after game , yet the manager couldn’t or wouldn’t see it .
His tactics still don’t work yet INEXPLICABLY he still goes with them.
On current form there is little chance of qualifying for the CL and little chance we will win the FA cup and zero chance we will do any good in the summer comp either.

So let’s wait and see how fucking calm the ‘club’ are end of this season shall we. As fans we certainly won’t be fucking calm if we end up in no man’s land with fuckall to show.
THEY SAY SWEARING IS DUE TO A LIMITED VOCABULARY. I KNOW THOUSANDS OF WORDS, BUT I STILL PREFER "FUCK OFF" TO "GO AWAY"
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:37 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."


Well said Julian. Get yourself a latte, Hants it’s a beauty of a post. I can feel the heat coming…… hahahaha.


Latte? You reckon Hants likes men? First we had OD and CM as a couple and now this. Brilliant
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Sun Mar 23, 2025 6:56 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."



Walker and Gundo inexplicably didn’t work game after game after game , yet the manager couldn’t or wouldn’t see it .
His tactics still don’t work yet INEXPLICABLY he still goes with them.
On current form there is little chance of qualifying for the CL and little chance we will win the FA cup and zero chance we will do any good in the summer comp either.

So let’s wait and see how fucking calm the ‘club’ are end of this season shall we. As fans we certainly won’t be fucking calm if we end up in no man’s land with fuckall to show.


Get yourself a hot chocolate mate, beautiful post! I’m erect.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:35 pm

Mase wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."



Walker and Gundo inexplicably didn’t work game after game after game , yet the manager couldn’t or wouldn’t see it .
His tactics still don’t work yet INEXPLICABLY he still goes with them.
On current form there is little chance of qualifying for the CL and little chance we will win the FA cup and zero chance we will do any good in the summer comp either.

So let’s wait and see how fucking calm the ‘club’ are end of this season shall we. As fans we certainly won’t be fucking calm if we end up in no man’s land with fuckall to show.


Get yourself a hot chocolate mate, beautiful post! I’m erect.


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Re: Pep Out?

Postby CTID Hants » Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:39 pm

Mase wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I found this interesting to read .....

Julian Nagelsmann: "What's happening at #ManCity is outstanding; not from a sporting perspective, but how calm this club remains. That's the perfect example of perfect work.

"There's not a single interview expressing a negative opinion. I'd like to see this from other clubs that cause far too much unrest, act far too quickly when it comes to who the right coach is. If you always say the coach is most important, the selection process must also be most complex. If companies take two weeks to go through an employee, but sometimes a coach is hired after just one phone call, that's the wrong approach.

"@ManCity are doing that to perfection; honouring someone for being very successful, but also accepting the fact there's a phase in which things obviously and inexplicably don't work..."


Well said Julian. Get yourself a latte, Hants it’s a beauty of a post. I can feel the heat coming…… hahahaha.


Latte? You reckon Hants likes men? First we had OD and CM as a couple and now this. Brilliant


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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Sun Apr 06, 2025 3:30 pm

Yes. Well and truly turned into a weird cunt.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Sparklehorse » Sun Apr 06, 2025 3:58 pm

Horseshit.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Nick » Sun Apr 06, 2025 4:09 pm

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