Foden - Disappointed

[Mase]

Yes, all those rag loving people in the media. You keep getting your opinion off them mate.

Ultimately though it’s an opinion isn’t it - whether they’re intelligent or not. My opinion is based on facts (stats), others have based theirs on people in the media or listening to rags fans over the years, and that’s okay.

[Scatman]

Stats tell me he was a first team regular for a regular title winning side for about 15 years on the spin.

[nottsblue]

Name one game where Scholes turned it on and took over the game….

Phil did it for 30 games last season.

The fact we’re on a city forum and we’ve got City “fans” pretending Phil couldn’t lace the boots of Paul Scholes is pathetic. Rag Cafe it is for you lot.

If you looks at his stats he was bang average in a class team. He didn’t assist, he didn’t score - so as an attacking midfielder what did he do?

David Silva had similar stats to Scholes. Give or take.

Was he bang average in a class team?

No he wasn’t. He was arguably our best player and certainly in our top 5 ever. For some players, goals and assists aren’t the barometer of their success and usefulness to a side

No he didnt. Silva had 95 assists in nearly 200 less games so he had 34 more assists than Scholes in just short of 200 less games… I’d say his stats were miles better, wouldn’t you?

Scored less. So that’s the give or take.

Honestly, to say Scholes is bang average is baffling. Might not be the world class players he was portrayed as but he was still very good. IMHO

He scored less and he also played nearly 200 games less. Come on Notts, bringing up Silva without looking at his stats first was silly mate.

The point is stats about goals and assists don’t tell the full story about a players worth

[PeterParker]

Scholes was one of the most over rated and bang average players I've ever seen. Pure propaganda

That's Beckham for me. The most overrated player in the history of this game.

[Scatman]

Scholes was one of the most over rated and bang average players I've ever seen. Pure propaganda

That's Beckham for me. The most overrated player in the history of this game.

If you look at his stats, adjusting for PL appearances he scored exactly the same number as Silva and scored 20% more goals. Better than Silva you could say.

[Mase]

Beckham was pure class. Quality on the ball, the world’s best at free kicks, never missed a tackle, great in the air. Could play anywhere on the pitch and he’d be world class.










Sorry, just wanted to see how it felt.

[Indianablue]

Yes, all those rag loving people in the media. You keep getting your opinion off them mate.

Ultimately though it’s an opinion isn’t it - whether they’re intelligent or not. My opinion is based on facts (stats), others have based theirs on people in the media or listening to rags fans over the years, and that’s okay.

Nope, watched him play. You obviously were blinded by the anti Utd bile you spew. You'd have Scholes in his prime everyday of the fucking week, and he would be ahead of Foden on his current form. In fact he'd give Foden a good run for his money today

[Mase]

Yes, all those rag loving people in the media. You keep getting your opinion off them mate.

Ultimately though it’s an opinion isn’t it - whether they’re intelligent or not. My opinion is based on facts (stats), others have based theirs on people in the media or listening to rags fans over the years, and that’s okay.

Nope, watched him play. You obviously were blinded by the anti Utd bile you spew. You'd have Scholes in his prime everyday of the fucking week, and he would be ahead of Foden on his current form. In fact he'd give Foden a good run for his money today

I’ve literally just point out he had exactly the same stats as Foden in the season at the same age How are you saying “he’d be ahead of Foden on current form”

[Indianablue]

Name one game where Scholes turned it on and took over the game….

Phil did it for 30 games last season.

The fact we’re on a city forum and we’ve got City “fans” pretending Phil couldn’t lace the boots of Paul Scholes is pathetic. Rag Cafe it is for you lot.

If you looks at his stats he was bang average in a class team. He didn’t assist, he didn’t score - so as an attacking midfielder what did he do?

Scholes was a United player so we cannot compare Foden to him unfavourably.

It's hardly the most objective place to start is it?

I honestly don't think I've ever heard or seen Scholes described as bang average by anybody other than a City fan.

Or a complete knob, Here we have the perfect storm.

[Scatman]

Beckham was pure class. Quality on the ball, the world’s best at free kicks, never missed a tackle, great in the air. Could play anywhere on the pitch and he’d be world class.

Yes but I don't think I'd swap him for Dave, despite his superior stats.

[Mase]

Beckham was pure class. Quality on the ball, the world’s best at free kicks, never missed a tackle, great in the air. Could play anywhere on the pitch and he’d be world class.

Yes but I don't think I'd swap him for Dave, despite his superior stats.

His stats are only superior in goals (and he took every freekick so not surprising).

[Scatman]

Beckham was pure class. Quality on the ball, the world’s best at free kicks, never missed a tackle, great in the air. Could play anywhere on the pitch and he’d be world class.

Yes but I don't think I'd swap him for Dave, despite his superior stats.

His stats are only superior in goals (and he took every freekick so not surprising).

Beckham 80 assists in 265 PL appearances = 0.3018
Silva 93 assists in 309 PL appearances = 0.3009

[Nickyboy]

Okay, just for you -

Scholes stats -
Assists - 61 in 499 games!!!
Goals - 107 in 499 games!!!

You’ve bought in to the rag propaganda. Shame

Can’t remember once season where Scholes carried United to the title…

When Scholes was 24 - same age as Phil, he scored 8 goals and had 5 assists that season. Phil has 7 and 2 so far this season… wonder if the rags wanted Scholes gone in ‘98…

Fantastic stat.
Scholes help carry Utd to more titles than Foden ever will - even if he repeats his form of last season. Great players do it year in year out. No one ever questioned Scholes at Utd over a 20 year career. Foden's international career has taken a big step back, because he played badly, albeit out of position , Scholes was competing against two other great players in Lampard and Gerrard, all three of them i would say were better than Foden at the moment. It's a similar argument as Haaland vs Aguero . Haaland's stats are phenomenal, but they are faltering after an exceptional start and he is no Aguero - yet.

This thread wouldn't have been put up if there wasn't an issue with Foden. He's a City lad through and through
, a real local hero , so if anyone should be pulling up stumps for City it should be him, He has the skill to take games by the scruff of the neck and influence them, but he isn't doing it. I've seen enough football to recognise a decent player and it doesn't matter to me who he plays for

Odd you mention Scholes and England, he was a huge flop for the national team. Worse than Fodens been even.

Scholes was one of the most over rated and bang average players I've ever seen. Pure propaganda

Scholes was one of the most over rated and bang average players I've ever seen

Behave . Bang average ? Have a read back over his England career, he did well in some big games against decent opposition but suffered under the can't play Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes together bollocks. Foden's career has crashed on the runway, firmly put in the shade by Bellingham, of all players. Anyone coming second to that twat can't be doing well. Euros were a fantastic opportunity for him coming after a great season, he should have been strutting his stuff in that tournament. I accept the manager messed him about but he was a flop. Painful to watch

That is an outright lie about scholes for england - he was terrible and ended up retiring early from international football - give some examples of the big games he turned up and did well in?

I also agree re Foden for England he's been woeful - that's because instead of building the team around him southgate built it around bellingham - i'd be happy for Phil to also retire from international football if the managers aren't going to utilise him to his best abilities.

[Nickyboy]

Scholes was one of the most over rated and bang average players I've ever seen. Pure propaganda

That's Beckham for me. The most overrated player in the history of this game.

If you look at his stats, adjusting for PL appearances he scored exactly the same number as Silva and scored 20% more goals. Better than Silva you could say.

Silva has a world cup winners medal and 2 european championship winners medals (scoring in one final) and is Spain's highest ever midfield goalscorer. He is lauded in his home country as one of their key players in (arguably) the best international side of all time.

[Mase]

That is an outright lie about scholes for england - he was terrible and ended up retiring early from international football - give some examples of the big games he turned up and did well in?

Everything goes quiet when you ask for examples

I’m still waiting for one match where Scholes took control of a game, like Phil did for 30 of them last season, and dragged United to victory.

I’m not a rag but I could point out Keane doing it in the semi in ‘99 against Juve.

[PeterParker]

My comment about Beckham is, he was a decent player, but the PR machine behind him made this story of how great he actually was.
Same with Bellingham, who is next on that list.

Regarding Scholes, are we right to compare him with Phil?
Do they play the similar position?

[Scatman]

My comment about Beckham is, he was a decent player, but the PR machine behind him made this story of how great he actually was.
Same with Bellingham, who is next on that list.

Regarding Scholes, are we right to compare him with Phil?
Do they play the similar position?

To clarify, I wouldn't like to see Foden sold.

My point about Scholes was not a comparison with Foden, I simply believe he is better than bang average. His stats are not the stats of a bang average player and watching him play over a 15 year period I did not see a bang average player, and presumably nor did his managers.

[Outcast]

Anyone saying we should get rid of Foden is plain stupid. At this rate we'll have no fucking players left. If so many players are underperforming, the manager should be looked at first.

[PeterParker]

My comment about Beckham is, he was a decent player, but the PR machine behind him made this story of how great he actually was.
Same with Bellingham, who is next on that list.

Regarding Scholes, are we right to compare him with Phil?
Do they play the similar position?

To clarify, I wouldn't like to see Foden sold.

My point about Scholes was not a comparison with Foden, I simply believe he is better than bang average. His stats are not the stats of a bang average player and watching him play over a 15 year period I did not see a bang average player, and presumably nor did his managers.

Understood, mate. I also think Scholes was maybe the key in Taggart's team
I just think, if we have to compare, it is hard to compare Foden with someone from that rag generation, all of them were different type of players.
If you would ask me, again for the sake of it, his style is more close to the Family Man, not with Scholes.

[Indianablue]

That is an outright lie about scholes for england - he was terrible and ended up retiring early from international football - give some examples of the big games he turned up and did well in?

Everything goes quiet when you ask for examples

I’m still waiting for one match where Scholes took control of a game, like Phil did for 30 of them last season, and dragged United to victory.

I’m not a rag but I could point out Keane doing it in the semi in ‘99 against Juve.

I feared Scholes in every derby he played in, even when he came back. Foden had his best season last year, 4 years into getting a fairly good run out. Id say contolling 30 games is a tad bullshitty and shows where you are coming from.
Going back i'd say
SCHOLES games that are standouts
1999 3 goals vs Poland
2000 2 goals vs scotland away, euro 2000 qualifier
2003 3 goals vs newcastle
2008 Barcelona Semi
England 2 all draw vs Argentina won on penalties 1998.
One of utd's all time players and they've had a few good ones. Consistently good, cant believe you dont rate him or more importantly think that Foden is playing well. Cant remember a fall off in performance from Scholes, probably was one but didnt register with me at the time.
The only thing i disliked about Scholes was his tackling and how much leeway he was given