Im_Spartacus wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Crossie wrote:I want to be entertained.
I’ve seen it all now, I’m grateful, forever. But I want to see entertainment.
That cross on Saturday was the most exciting thing I’ve seen for a long time in our stadium.
We have skill in abundance, imagine Foden unleashed, look at what happened with Grealish, shackled for the greater good. It worked too, great, thanks. But as long as we’re up there, I’m not bothered about perfection football. I want to see risk, flair, skill.
I want to see Kompany/Dias goals, Foden take on 8 players, Doku on fire, Haaland bulldozing, treat us.
Crossie, mate, you’ve absolutely fucking nailed it. I’m with you 100 % and then some.
I didn’t start supporting this club to watch a load of million pound robots playing the safest, most boring version of football imaginable. I’m here for the buzz, the roar, the moments that make you jump out your seat that scare the fucking dog or cat!!.
That rabona the other day? Electric. Proper “I saw it live” stuff. First time in fucking ages watching the whole ground come alive instead of just politely clapping another sideways pass. One bit of outrageous skill and our stadium went mental !! – that’s what football is supposed to feel like.
We’ve won everything there is to win playing Pep football, risk-free way, and its been unreal, most of the time. But somewhere along the line we started treating “not making a mistake” as the ultimate virtue, and now half our players shit themselves to try anything that isn’t pre-approved by Pep.
Just watching Foden taking on three men instead of the easy five-yard boring pass back to the centre-half - Doku taking the piss out of their wingers and defenders. Haaland bullying defenders like they nicked his dinner money. Even the odd Dias worldly from 35 yards !. That’s the stuff that lives rent-free in your head for fucking decades.
Winning matters, of course it does, but never, ever at any cost. If the price of another title is turning into a team of joyless pass pass pass possession possession possession who’d rather die than misplace a fucking pass, then to be honest I’d rather not watch.
Pep loves his controlled robots, and it’s obviously worked But right now I’d swap ten points of possession for ten seconds of pure chaos every single week. Let the lads off the leash sometimes. Let them entertain us ffs and pleased do not have a dig at players who want to ' express ' themselves..allow them to do exactly that.
Both nailed it
Before I left the UK, I stopped going for a time when Mancini first came in and gave my ticke to mates for free, as I'd honestly rather stay in the pub and have a few pints than spend 2 hours going to/from the game to see the life squeezed out of the game - I honestly never knew winning 4.0 could be so miserable until Mancini......but at least I understood the transition he was tasked with and respected why he was doing what he did.
Pep's been the same now even in the treble year, we rarely played great football - it's now 4 or 5 seasons since we really played with any flair or intent on a regular basis - and through a lack of interest, I've not watched a Champions League game now I think since I went to the final.
Fans are turned off, there's no doubt about it, and I don' think it's too big a reach to look at the time Sterling left and a slower Grealish came in as being a turning point when we stopped using pace as a weapon. I still can't understand the purchase of Grealish other than him being English and I really do wonder whether this was something pushed on Pep. The absolute reluctance to allow him to beat a man was almost like Pep signalling to the board they had bought the wrong player, but fair play to Jack for contributing in the way Pep asked for so long.
I think Pep's moving in the right direction, we've seen for sure that Doku is being encouraged to take risks and run, and looking at his numbers, what he seems to have learned now from 2 years of Pep is when to do it and when not to, and as a result he's having a lot more success now than previous now he understands what Pep expects of him.
Pep will never shift from his core philosophy of posession being the fundamental of defence, and I think we'd all back him in that general concept, but there's no doubt Pep's approach the last few years as his old squad moved on, has been about playing the percentages - he's proven you can win leagues time and time again through sheer attritional consistency over a 40 game league season.
I wonder though if, as I speculated the other day, the requirement has changed now and Pep is restructuring the squad to be more competitive in Europe, where you need to have a clear cutting edge in games - consistency will get us through group stages and most 2 legged ties for sure, but to dominate in Europe the attritional approach that he's perfected in the PL won't work, you need to have a spark that will win you tight ties, and I think everything points to us moving in that direction.
Nick wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Crossie wrote:I want to be entertained.
I’ve seen it all now, I’m grateful, forever. But I want to see entertainment.
That cross on Saturday was the most exciting thing I’ve seen for a long time in our stadium.
We have skill in abundance, imagine Foden unleashed, look at what happened with Grealish, shackled for the greater good. It worked too, great, thanks. But as long as we’re up there, I’m not bothered about perfection football. I want to see risk, flair, skill.
I want to see Kompany/Dias goals, Foden take on 8 players, Doku on fire, Haaland bulldozing, treat us.
Crossie, mate, you’ve absolutely fucking nailed it. I’m with you 100 % and then some.
I didn’t start supporting this club to watch a load of million pound robots playing the safest, most boring version of football imaginable. I’m here for the buzz, the roar, the moments that make you jump out your seat that scare the fucking dog or cat!!.
That rabona the other day? Electric. Proper “I saw it live” stuff. First time in fucking ages watching the whole ground come alive instead of just politely clapping another sideways pass. One bit of outrageous skill and our stadium went mental !! – that’s what football is supposed to feel like.
We’ve won everything there is to win playing Pep football, risk-free way, and its been unreal, most of the time. But somewhere along the line we started treating “not making a mistake” as the ultimate virtue, and now half our players shit themselves to try anything that isn’t pre-approved by Pep.
Just watching Foden taking on three men instead of the easy five-yard boring pass back to the centre-half - Doku taking the piss out of their wingers and defenders. Haaland bullying defenders like they nicked his dinner money. Even the odd Dias worldly from 35 yards !. That’s the stuff that lives rent-free in your head for fucking decades.
Winning matters, of course it does, but never, ever at any cost. If the price of another title is turning into a team of joyless pass pass pass possession possession possession who’d rather die than misplace a fucking pass, then to be honest I’d rather not watch.
Pep loves his controlled robots, and it’s obviously worked But right now I’d swap ten points of possession for ten seconds of pure chaos every single week. Let the lads off the leash sometimes. Let them entertain us ffs and pleased do not have a dig at players who want to ' express ' themselves..allow them to do exactly that.
Both nailed it
Before I left the UK, I stopped going for a time when Mancini first came in and gave my ticke to mates for free, as I'd honestly rather stay in the pub and have a few pints than spend 2 hours going to/from the game to see the life squeezed out of the game - I honestly never knew winning 4.0 could be so miserable until Mancini......but at least I understood the transition he was tasked with and respected why he was doing what he did.
Pep's been the same now even in the treble year, we rarely played great football - it's now 4 or 5 seasons since we really played with any flair or intent on a regular basis - and through a lack of interest, I've not watched a Champions League game now I think since I went to the final.
Fans are turned off, there's no doubt about it, and I don' think it's too big a reach to look at the time Sterling left and a slower Grealish came in as being a turning point when we stopped using pace as a weapon. I still can't understand the purchase of Grealish other than him being English and I really do wonder whether this was something pushed on Pep. The absolute reluctance to allow him to beat a man was almost like Pep signalling to the board they had bought the wrong player, but fair play to Jack for contributing in the way Pep asked for so long.
I think Pep's moving in the right direction, we've seen for sure that Doku is being encouraged to take risks and run, and looking at his numbers, what he seems to have learned now from 2 years of Pep is when to do it and when not to, and as a result he's having a lot more success now than previous now he understands what Pep expects of him.
Pep will never shift from his core philosophy of posession being the fundamental of defence, and I think we'd all back him in that general concept, but there's no doubt Pep's approach the last few years as his old squad moved on, has been about playing the percentages - he's proven you can win leagues time and time again through sheer attritional consistency over a 40 game league season.
I wonder though if, as I speculated the other day, the requirement has changed now and Pep is restructuring the squad to be more competitive in Europe, where you need to have a clear cutting edge in games - consistency will get us through group stages and most 2 legged ties for sure, but to dominate in Europe the attritional approach that he's perfected in the PL won't work, you need to have a spark that will win you tight ties, and I think everything points to us moving in that direction.
Bored at the start of mancini? Wtf


Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.

Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?
Harry Dowd scored wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?
Always rated Billy the Fish, now he could play out from the back

Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?

Paul68 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?
Yes mate.... I have every issue apart from the first few which were sold in pubs round Newcastle I believe....
Paul68 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?
Yes mate.... I have every issue apart from the first few which were sold in pubs round Newcastle I believe....

Wonderwall wrote:Paul68 wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Scatman wrote:I read somewhere that Cesc Fabregas is a consideration. I hope not. He's a cunt.
Is Viz still being produced?
Yes mate.... I have every issue apart from the first few which were sold in pubs round Newcastle I believe....
That's some collection. Hope your joists are in good order, that will be some weight.



Nigels Tackle wrote:if today's rumours are true, a few folks could be getting their wish...
ornstein reporting that pep will be going at the end of the season
Nigels Tackle wrote:if today's rumours are true, a few folks could be getting their wish...
ornstein reporting that pep will be going at the end of the season

sheblue wrote:When pep does go there is going to be a considerable fall off, no matter who is appointed. The minority of people who want pep out now will really have something to complain about then.
I hope Vinny is not his replacement, for his own sake.

PeterParker wrote:sheblue wrote:When pep does go there is going to be a considerable fall off, no matter who is appointed. The minority of people who want pep out now will really have something to complain about then.
I hope Vinny is not his replacement, for his own sake.
Big clubs like Barcelona, Bayern or Madrid find a way to move on. Barcelona won the treble with Enrique after Pep left, Bayern the same, Madrid dominated European Football after Zidane and so on.
If after all these years, our success as a club relies on Pep's mood and staying, then we are fucked.
And regarding Vinnie. I love him to bits, but until he wins something big with Bayern, not the farmers league, I think he is not ready yet. They are playing some great football, but he is lacking something.
Mase wrote:PeterParker wrote:sheblue wrote:When pep does go there is going to be a considerable fall off, no matter who is appointed. The minority of people who want pep out now will really have something to complain about then.
I hope Vinny is not his replacement, for his own sake.
Big clubs like Barcelona, Bayern or Madrid find a way to move on. Barcelona won the treble with Enrique after Pep left, Bayern the same, Madrid dominated European Football after Zidane and so on.
If after all these years, our success as a club relies on Pep's mood and staying, then we are fucked.
And regarding Vinnie. I love him to bits, but until he wins something big with Bayern, not the farmers league, I think he is not ready yet. They are playing some great football, but he is lacking something.
Spot on. Any manager leaving a club there's obviously big change that happens.
Enrique is the one to get.
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