Pep Has To Go The End Of This Season

[Harry Dowd scored]

We have been shit for nearly 2 Seasons. FACT.

Some fans are making out yesterday was just a one off.NO IT WASNT.

The Football has been slow insipid turgid out of date shit for a good while. Even wins have been mainly like a visit to the dentist. The obsession with making every attack involve `100 pointless passes to create a chance. It isn't entertainment it is fucking torture to watch. It sends you to sleep.

If Elon Musk had 11 Robots playing Football it would be like watching City. Soulless and robotic..

Yesterday we were lucky not to lose 6-0

Articulation perfecta

[sheblue]

Ah come on lads. Keep the faith.

[Mase]

Alonso? He didn't exactly do well at Madrid did he.

Watch on youtube.com

[PeterParker]

Pep Guardiola on Abdukodir Khusanov: “He’s top! We are really pleased. Especially he’s top because after Arsenal he went a month without playing one minute and you can imagine how he behaved in the training sessions and the locker room. That defines Khusanov. Always I define the players in the bad moments, how they behave.

Weren’t we led to believe he went off injured in the Arsenal game and that’s why he was unavailable after that?
Because from this, it sounds like he was simply taken off, Nunes came on, chaos followed, and then, for some reason, he was left out for a month.

[john@staustell]

Pep Guardiola on Abdukodir Khusanov: “He’s top! We are really pleased. Especially he’s top because after Arsenal he went a month without playing one minute and you can imagine how he behaved in the training sessions and the locker room. That defines Khusanov. Always I define the players in the bad moments, how they behave.

Weren’t we led to believe he went off injured in the Arsenal game and that’s why he was unavailable after that?
Because from this, it sounds like he was simply taken off, Nunes came on, chaos followed, and then, for some reason, he was left out for a month.

He was definitely injured. Don't forget Pep often talks sheer nonsense in press conferences

[Mase]

Pep Guardiola on Abdukodir Khusanov: “He’s top! We are really pleased. Especially he’s top because after Arsenal he went a month without playing one minute and you can imagine how he behaved in the training sessions and the locker room. That defines Khusanov. Always I define the players in the bad moments, how they behave.

Weren’t we led to believe he went off injured in the Arsenal game and that’s why he was unavailable after that?
Because from this, it sounds like he was simply taken off, Nunes came on, chaos followed, and then, for some reason, he was left out for a month.

Same shit, different player. Last week he was telling us how class Lewis is. He's the king of lip service and it's boring as fuck

[Im_Spartacus]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

But again lets have a little perspective here - this shit from Pep in the derby isn't new.

Saturday was an awful awful performance, however let's not pretend it's the first time this happened in a Derby under Pep.

Mourinho - W3, D1, L2
Solskjaer - W4, D1, L4
Rangnick - W1, L0
Ten Hag - W4, D1, L2
Amorim - W1, D1, L1
Carrick - W0, L1

His record against the rags overall has been dreadful considering how shit they have been throughhout his tenure - showing off my pet hate with him (and well done to Capello for calling it out), that the occasion gets to him and he's till trying to be too clever for his own good for a 1 off game, rather than just playing what the team understand and can execute - it's just another league game at the end of the day, against an inferior team.

His record shows how badly HE is affected by the bigger games, exactly as we've seen in his Champions League stupidity - but, to the point of my post, we've lived with this for the last 10 years and done pretty well despite - so are we really going to hang him out to dry for this?

Or do we look at the fact that Arsenal and Villa bottled it again and reflect that all things considered, we're still in a bloody good place for the run in to the end of the year in a highly transitional season with 14/15 new players to integrate?

However, with Gueyhi and Semenyo now he has no excuses as soon as this injury issue eases - he really should be expected to achieve at the very least a domestic double from where we now stand - anything less and I'll be ready for a change in the summer.

[Scatman]

Some accuse Pep of not understanding the size of the occasion on derby day and just treating it like any other game, while Spartacus you say the occasion has got to him. Which of these is it?

[Im_Spartacus]

Some accuse Pep of not understanding the size of the occasion on derby day and just treating it like any other game, while Spartacus you say the occasion has got to him. Which of these is it?

I don't believe it's about the Derby - the issue is clearly that on certain occasions (CL final or last FA Cup final for example) or against certain opponents (United and Spurs being key ones), Pep is trying TOO hard for the occasion, the midfield or defence gets overrun with an unfamilar lineup or changes to tactics, and by the time we're in the shit, we can't then even fall back to our usual way of playing.

United and Spurs show that it's not about it being the derby, both mid/upper-table teams who, despite having had 5 or 6 managers and a high turnover of players, we underperform against these two clubs consistently over the last 10 years - the only constant is our manager's overthinking, baffling team selections and tactics, and I think this means we "seem" to not be up for these games, because Guardiola's fucking around causes us to be unable to compete on our terms.

It's mad, because generally Guardiola's tactics make our team more than the sum of the parts - but on these occasions his tactics seem to do the opposite.

[Scatman]

Ok but what is the significance of Spurs? I can understand it being true of a derby but Spurs? Why them and not Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, or even Villa?

[PeterParker]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

This I don't get.
One poor performance? One? We’ve been in steady decline ever since the Treble. This hasn’t been a blip, it’s been a season and a half of inconsistency, fragility, and outright bad football. We’ve been playing like shit, we’ve all seen it with our own eyes, and we’ve been pointing out the same mistakes over and over again, mistakes that later came back and bit us in the ass.

And why? Because our manager is either
a) completely up his own ass, or
b) genuinely deluded.

As much as he gave to this club, and no one’s denying that, he’s also made a staggering number of fuckups. People seem to conveniently forget that if Lukaku wasn’t… well, Lukaku, we’d be talking about two Champions League finals lost because of yet another tactical disaster from him.

You say the knives are out, fine. But then you turn around and claim he has a “derby complex” and a “team complex”? Which is it? Either he’s under unfair attack, or he’s consistently inconstant in the biggest moments. You can’t have it both ways.

[ayrshireblue]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

This I don't get.
One poor performance? One? We’ve been in steady decline ever since the Treble. This hasn’t been a blip, it’s been a season and a half of inconsistency, fragility, and outright bad football. We’ve been playing like shit, we’ve all seen it with our own eyes, and we’ve been pointing out the same mistakes over and over again, mistakes that later came back and bit us in the ass.

And why? Because our manager is either
a) completely up his own ass, or
b) genuinely deluded.

As much as he gave to this club, and no one’s denying that, he’s also made a staggering number of fuckups. People seem to conveniently forget that if Lukaku wasn’t… well, Lukaku, we’d be talking about two Champions League finals lost because of yet another tactical disaster from him.

You say the knives are out, fine. But then you turn around and claim he has a “derby complex” and a “team complex”? Which is it? Either he’s under unfair attack, or he’s consistently inconstant in the biggest moments. You can’t have it both ways.

Totally agree PP, this is not an isolated incident. We haven't won in four PL games and can't see out a tight game without conceding. The brand of football is tiresome to watch, no dynamic movement, nothing to get off your seat for. Sometimes, the players seem to do their own thing and the play becomes quick and incisive and we look great again but Pep doesn't like it and rests the player for the next game. The turgid affair we are being served now is in stark contrast to the free flowing, impulsive football we saw between 2017 and 2021. Hopefully, Pep or the board see the change needs to be made and it is made before we end up being the next team that goes 20 years without a league title.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

This I don't get.
One poor performance? One? We’ve been in steady decline ever since the Treble. This hasn’t been a blip, it’s been a season and a half of inconsistency, fragility, and outright bad football. We’ve been playing like shit, we’ve all seen it with our own eyes, and we’ve been pointing out the same mistakes over and over again, mistakes that later came back and bit us in the ass.

And why? Because our manager is either
a) completely up his own ass, or
b) genuinely deluded.

As much as he gave to this club, and no one’s denying that, he’s also made a staggering number of fuckups. People seem to conveniently forget that if Lukaku wasn’t… well, Lukaku, we’d be talking about two Champions League finals lost because of yet another tactical disaster from him.

You say the knives are out, fine. But then you turn around and claim he has a “derby complex” and a “team complex”? Which is it? Either he’s under unfair attack, or he’s consistently inconstant in the biggest moments. You can’t have it both ways.

Totally agree PP, this is not an isolated incident. We haven't won in four PL games and can't see out a tight game without conceding. The brand of football is tiresome to watch, no dynamic movement, nothing to get off your seat for. Sometimes, the players seem to do their own thing and the play becomes quick and incisive and we look great again but Pep doesn't like it and rests the player for the next game. The turgid affair we are being served now is in stark contrast to the free flowing, impulsive football we saw between 2017 and 2021. Hopefully, Pep or the board see the change needs to be made and it is made before we end up being the next team that goes 20 years without a league title.

He himself has admitted hes a ' weird person'...about the most honest thing he's ever said in a press conference since he's been here.
As for Pep changing ? nope..he still likes to think hes the Oracle of football tactics and will always fuck up now and again with anal starting lineups.

[Im_Spartacus]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

This I don't get.
One poor performance? One? We’ve been in steady decline ever since the Treble. This hasn’t been a blip, it’s been a season and a half of inconsistency, fragility, and outright bad football. We’ve been playing like shit, we’ve all seen it with our own eyes, and we’ve been pointing out the same mistakes over and over again, mistakes that later came back and bit us in the ass.

And why? Because our manager is either
a) completely up his own ass, or
b) genuinely deluded.

As much as he gave to this club, and no one’s denying that, he’s also made a staggering number of fuckups. People seem to conveniently forget that if Lukaku wasn’t… well, Lukaku, we’d be talking about two Champions League finals lost because of yet another tactical disaster from him.

You say the knives are out, fine. But then you turn around and claim he has a “derby complex” and a “team complex”? Which is it? Either he’s under unfair attack, or he’s consistently inconstant in the biggest moments. You can’t have it both ways.

I don't disagree about the decline since the treble season. We're still in the dark as to why the squad was allowed to decline and age so considerably therefore can only speculate - but my far bigger concern on that subject was that regardless of the manager's wishes on squad renewal, the club took their eye off the ball. As I've said before in this thread, with the current squad in transition, we will have several more bizarre results before the season's over, and games where we revert back to the aimless pass pass pass shit, but none of us can surely argue that at the moment, this season as a whole is a lot fucking better than any of us thought it would be.

I don't claim he has a derby complex AND a team complex, as Capello pointed out (and as I agreed), he has a bad habit of trying to be too clever and fucking about in certain fixtures - while the 1st CL final is an obvious example of one off games, for some reason he extends this fucking about and overthinking to games against Spurs and United in particular.

You're right that none of this is new - Monaco was 9 years ago for example, after which we had appalling 2 leg showings vs Spurs, Liverpool and then the coup de grace, Chelsea in CL final, and I'm sure we could all name more.

But despite his fuck ups, if we appointed another manager tomorrow and gave them the same support Guardiola has had in the market, if they lasted a 10 year stint, would we be sat discussing those 10 years as being the most successful in the club's history? Highly unlikely - in which case the conversation currently is not about the last 4 games, or the derby, or whatever, but about what is in the best interests of the club long term.

My personal view is that we would be better to go our separate ways sooner rather than later, but he needs to stay for as lomg as it takes to stabilise the squad and handover a winning team, rather than fuck off with his tail between his legs and leave his successor with foundations of mud like that whiskey nosed cunt did.

[PeterParker]

Regular as clockwork, one poor performance and the knives are out from the same predicatable people.

This I don't get.
One poor performance? One? We’ve been in steady decline ever since the Treble. This hasn’t been a blip, it’s been a season and a half of inconsistency, fragility, and outright bad football. We’ve been playing like shit, we’ve all seen it with our own eyes, and we’ve been pointing out the same mistakes over and over again, mistakes that later came back and bit us in the ass.

And why? Because our manager is either
a) completely up his own ass, or
b) genuinely deluded.

As much as he gave to this club, and no one’s denying that, he’s also made a staggering number of fuckups. People seem to conveniently forget that if Lukaku wasn’t… well, Lukaku, we’d be talking about two Champions League finals lost because of yet another tactical disaster from him.

You say the knives are out, fine. But then you turn around and claim he has a “derby complex” and a “team complex”? Which is it? Either he’s under unfair attack, or he’s consistently inconstant in the biggest moments. You can’t have it both ways.

I don't disagree about the decline since the treble season. We're still in the dark as to why the squad was allowed to decline and age so considerably therefore can only speculate - but my far bigger concern on that subject was that regardless of the manager's wishes on squad renewal, the club took their eye off the ball. As I've said before in this thread, with the current squad in transition, we will have several more bizarre results before the season's over, and games where we revert back to the aimless pass pass pass shit, but none of us can surely argue that at the moment, this season as a whole is a lot fucking better than any of us thought it would be.

I don't claim he has a derby complex AND a team complex, as Capello pointed out (and as I agreed), he has a bad habit of trying to be too clever and fucking about in certain fixtures - while the 1st CL final is an obvious example of one off games, for some reason he extends this fucking about and overthinking to games against Spurs and United in particular.

You're right that none of this is new - Monaco was 9 years ago for example, after which we had appalling 2 leg showings vs Spurs, Liverpool and then the coup de grace, Chelsea in CL final, and I'm sure we could all name more.

But despite his fuck ups, if we appointed another manager tomorrow and gave them the same support Guardiola has had in the market, if they lasted a 10 year stint, would we be sat discussing those 10 years as being the most successful in the club's history? Highly unlikely - in which case the conversation currently is not about the last 4 games, or the derby, or whatever, but about what is in the best interests of the club long term.

My personal view is that we would be better to go our separate ways sooner rather than later, but he needs to stay for as lomg as it takes to stabilise the squad and handover a winning team, rather than fuck off with his tail between his legs and leave his successor with foundations of mud like that whiskey nosed cunt did.

I don't mind if he stays 20-30-40 years more . What I mind is that, knowing him, he will never change his ways. So the first sentence can't be in the current state.
And his ways, imho, are in a big, big decline.

[ayrshireblue]

Get him out tonight. The players are doing nothing for him, he can't inspire or cajole a performance out of any of them. His tea is out.

[nottsblue]

https://youtube.com/shorts/S7X_JKDg0NM? ... 70dM7C3y14

[nottsblue]

In all honesty, can anyone see us winning things as we used to as it stands?

Can anyone see us winning things with a different mindset and approach?

Sometimes a thing runs its course. It might have been the best thing ever. But everything comes to an end. A fresh approach is needed, a different outlook, new ideas. The time has come for that change IMHO

Pep has been the best manager we’ve ever had and in all likelihood are ever likely to have. But his way of doing things, his ideas, his style are now outdated. Thanks Pep for everything but the time has come

[Nick]

1. Are alonso or enrique long term options that thr club have considered post pep.
2. If yes, both are available and we must know their views.
3. Would we be ballsy enough to ask pep to walk away.

The fact we have semenyo and guehi coming in is great for a new manager; but what did we tell them about the manager.

[bigblue]

Realistically there is no way that the club sacks Pep before the end of the season. Think of all the social media content that they would miss out from a big send off at the end of the season