Ireland Departure?

[DoomMerchant]

If someone knows for sure that Ireland's leaving it's fair enough to post it but this 'oooh he's not happy, if Mancini doesn't put him in the team he'll be going to Utd but it could be Arsenal & he was the GUEST OF HONOUR (!!!!!!!!!!!!) at a top European club....etc etc..

3 words: IAN FUCKING WRIGHT.

This post makes no sense, gramatically or otherwise, so I can't really reply.

cheers

[Original Dub]

This whole thing about being civil is all well and good my friend, but you keep forgetting that you told everyone who wanted Vieira in the side to "fuck off" in your OP, so its a little late for civilities afterwards.

That post of yours was not to inform, it was to provoke. From start to finish.

As for "tearing me a new one", that's cyber talk and I don't entertain it. You're probably a decent skin in real life, but there is a massive amount of bullshit surrounding you and if its not coming directly from you, then you are in fact a bullshit vessel who is being used by some guy who wants to spread his crap.

Anyone who knows Stevie Ireland and has his best interests at heart would not be telling a frequent poster on a forum that the guy isn't happy. We are only a few games away from possible champions league qualification for the first time in our history and this kind of thing, true or not does not help the club, particularly when the player in question already had people on Bluemoon saying they'd drive him to sunderland and he happened to read that.

All in all, what you said was something anybody could have said, but saying it, be it true or not, served only to throw negativity around the place and honestly if I'd been told what you claim to have been, I'd keep my mouth shut because if I ever do find an insider, I'll be happy enough without taking my balls out for everyone to see, thus jeopardising my relationship with said source.

None of it makes sense. And that Ajay fella and his crew need help, not fans.

[DoomMerchant]

This whole thing about being civil is all well and good my friend, but you keep forgetting that you told everyone who wanted Vieira in the side to "fuck off" in your OP, so its a little late for civilities afterwards.

That post of yours was not to inform, it was to provoke. From start to finish.

As for "tearing me a new one", that's cyber talk and I don't entertain it. You're probably a decent skin in real life, but there is a massive amount of bullshit surrounding you and if its not coming directly from you, then you are in fact a bullshit vessel who is being used by some guy who wants to spread his crap.

Anyone who knows Stevie Ireland and has his best interests at heart would not be telling a frequent poster on a forum that the guy isn't happy. We are only a few games away from possible champions league qualification for the first time in our history and this kind of thing, true or not does not help the club, particularly when the player in question already had people on Bluemoon saying they'd drive him to sunderland and he happened to read that.

All in all, what you said was something anybody could have said, but saying it, be it true or not, served only to throw negativity around the place and honestly if I'd been told what you claim to have been, I'd keep my mouth shut because if I ever do find an insider, I'll be happy enough without taking my balls out for everyone to see, thus jeopardising my relationship with said source.

None of it makes sense. And that Ajay fella and his crew need help, not fans.

yr pushing on a string brother. Go read a book, or have a wank. or take a shit and try wiping while standing up, etc.

cheers

[brite blu sky]

IF i had sat down and chatted with someone who said to me that Stevie Ireland was considering leaving City..

1. i would want to know how they came across such info.
2. i would then try to judge the answer as to its credibility.
3. i would adopt a cynical stance and seriously question the agenda of who was telling me this info.
4. as the 'contact' is working on 'the agent side' you would have to assume there is an agenda
5. given the above, personally i wouldn't value the info as trustworthy to tell anyone else about without divulging the responses to the above questions. If there were no responses i wouldn't tell anyone without the caveat that i didnt get answers to those obvious questions.

It seems that having supposedly spoken with a 'contact on the agent side' we are led to beleive that something is 99% certain. Yet it is not possible to say anymore about this agent side contact.. erm why exactly?

if you are unable to verify if or what anyone's particular agenda is in stating controversial info, then it is always a good idea to stay fuclin stum.

I can only add that the type of people who use and disseminate unqualified info are usually journos looking to further thier own careers or agendas, if not that then wums.

This whole thing smacks of a hidden agenda.. and as the dave/bluderer insists he does not have an agenda, then you can only assume that the so called 'contact on the agent side' does.

what is that agenda? someone trying to get his name known? someone who doesn't like City?

come clean dude or learn some lessons about human nature.

[Blunderer]

Do you think it's helpful to the club to stir up your many thousands of young bluemooners into an argument about Ireland supposedly leaving if he can't get in the team, right in the middle of the most important phase of the season? Would the result not obviously be half the people calling Mancini a twat for not playing him & half calling Ireland shit for not playing well enough to get in the team? Surely you adding 'inside info' to that makes it seem much more devisive than a normal debate, as if you're arguing directly on behalf of the player with his knowledge? How does that help?

Or was the main reason behind it to give extra weight to your own opinion & big up your own self importance & fuck the consequences?

Do I think it's helpful to the club?
No.
Do I think it's unhelpful?
Not really, no.
Do I think City fans should know?
Yes.
Am I betraying anyone's confidence with this information?
No.

It's just one more post on a football forum, nothing more nothing less.

Don't patronise me about "self-importance" please. I've been around City forums long enough (12 years) that I don't need to do that to be honest. And I get a fair amount of other info, given in confidence, which I keep under my hat.

That's partly because you get the know-nothing bombast brigade telling you you're a bullshitter, a self-promoter or that you have an "agenda".

Like on this thread, really.

[Geo123]

Why is everyone up on there high horse, couple of injuries and Mancini could be forced to play him, he finishs strongly we qualify for the champions league, stevie is a hero, everything is rosie again...there is no point in talking about this stuff now,,,

there is nothing new in what was posted on bluemoon....hes unhappy (obviously hes not playing), some clubs want him (this has been reported many times before except now they may get him a tad cheaper...

Ppl should concentrate there efforts on whats happening now ie our next fixture and not 3-6 months time when he MAY move.

[pepsi_dave]

Do you think it's helpful to the club to stir up your many thousands of young bluemooners into an argument about Ireland supposedly leaving if he can't get in the team, right in the middle of the most important phase of the season? Would the result not obviously be half the people calling Mancini a twat for not playing him & half calling Ireland shit for not playing well enough to get in the team? Surely you adding 'inside info' to that makes it seem much more devisive than a normal debate, as if you're arguing directly on behalf of the player with his knowledge? How does that help?

Or was the main reason behind it to give extra weight to your own opinion & big up your own self importance & fuck the consequences?

Do I think it's helpful to the club?
No.
Do I think it's unhelpful?
Not really, no.
Do I think City fans should know?
Yes.
Am I betraying anyone's confidence with this information?
No.

It's just one more post on a football forum, nothing more nothing less.

Don't patronise me about "self-importance" please. I've been around City forums long enough (12 years) that I don't need to do that to be honest. And I get a fair amount of other info, given in confidence, which I keep under my hat.

That's partly because you get the know-nothing bombast brigade telling you you're a bullshitter, a self-promoter or that you have an "agenda".

Like on this thread, really.

Seems to me like a classic WUM line of someone who is trying to prove their credibility to make at least one more person believe what they are saying...... if you were really that credible you wouldnt feel the need to mention how long you have been around City Forums......

I've been around them a while, but I have never felt the need to state how long in order to try to prove my point..... If your point carries any weight then the point you're maiking itself is enough, to go and throw in to the mix how long you've been around the forums for makes you look, well, quite frankly IMO, pretty silly, and takes all credibility away from your point anyway!

[Rag_hater]

This thread seems to have turned into a slanging match into the validity of certain posters.It maybe what keeps both boards fun, to read a good ding dong between certain posters but I would just like too say on the Stevie issue that I think he is going through a bit of a similar thing that Micah went through when he got his new contract.He is still a relativley young lad and I think the big money and winning POTY last year has gone to his head a bit.Next year when we have more games to play and he will be a bit more used to the money he is on I think we will get Superman back.
Also I'd like to say I dont think its very good for us to be picking arguments with guys from BM.It does't show us in a good light methinks and sometimes some of the stuff on there aint to bad, methinks.Its not to bad as a 2nd choice after here.
Anyway back to the ding dong.
Carry on lads.

[Blunderer]

IF i had sat down and chatted with someone who said to me that Stevie Ireland was considering leaving City..

1. i would want to know how they came across such info.
2. i would then try to judge the answer as to its credibility.
3. i would adopt a cynical stance and seriously question the agenda of who was telling me this info.
4. as the 'contact' is working on 'the agent side' you would have to assume there is an agenda
5. given the above, personally i wouldn't value the info as trustworthy to tell anyone else about without divulging the responses to the above questions. If there were no responses i wouldn't tell anyone without the caveat that i didnt get answers to those obvious questions.

It seems that having supposedly spoken with a 'contact on the agent side' we are led to beleive that something is 99% certain. Yet it is not possible to say anymore about this agent side contact.. erm why exactly?

if you are unable to verify if or what anyone's particular agenda is in stating controversial info, then it is always a good idea to stay fuclin stum.

I can only add that the type of people who use and disseminate unqualified info are usually journos looking to further thier own careers or agendas, if not that then wums.

This whole thing smacks of a hidden agenda.. and as the dave/bluderer insists he does not have an agenda, then you can only assume that the so called 'contact on the agent side' does.

what is that agenda? someone trying to get his name known? someone who doesn't like City?

come clean dude or learn some lessons about human nature.

That's actually a pretty funny post. You're tying yourself up in knots looking for hidden messages which aren't there. Has Mr Bin Laden sewed toal paranoia into the American gene pool?

Plenty of people in cyberspace know who I am, and at the risk of sounding arrogant, I don't need to "get my name known".

To be honest "come clean dude or learn some lessons about human nature" doesn't make a lot of sense here in the UK.

[brite blu sky]

IF i had sat down and chatted with someone who said to me that Stevie Ireland was considering leaving City..

1. i would want to know how they came across such info.
2. i would then try to judge the answer as to its credibility.
3. i would adopt a cynical stance and seriously question the agenda of who was telling me this info.
4. as the 'contact' is working on 'the agent side' you would have to assume there is an agenda
5. given the above, personally i wouldn't value the info as trustworthy to tell anyone else about without divulging the responses to the above questions. If there were no responses i wouldn't tell anyone without the caveat that i didnt get answers to those obvious questions.

It seems that having supposedly spoken with a 'contact on the agent side' we are led to beleive that something is 99% certain. Yet it is not possible to say anymore about this agent side contact.. erm why exactly?

if you are unable to verify if or what anyone's particular agenda is in stating controversial info, then it is always a good idea to stay fuclin stum.

I can only add that the type of people who use and disseminate unqualified info are usually journos looking to further thier own careers or agendas, if not that then wums.

This whole thing smacks of a hidden agenda.. and as the dave/bluderer insists he does not have an agenda, then you can only assume that the so called 'contact on the agent side' does.

what is that agenda? someone trying to get his name known? someone who doesn't like City?

come clean dude or learn some lessons about human nature.

That's actually a pretty funny post. You're tying yourself up in knots looking for hidden messages which aren't there. Has Mr Bin Laden sewed toal paranoia into the American gene pool?

Plenty of people in cyberspace know who I am, and at the risk of sounding arrogant, I don't need to "get my name known".

To be honest "come clean dude or learn some lessons about human nature" doesn't make a lot of sense here in the UK.

get your name known was refering to your 'contact' not you.

Just answer the questions i laid out and this all might be a lot clearer.

repeat, just answer the questions in my post

do i need to write that again?

[Blunderer]

what questions? I've answered every question but to me by every one of you.

[blootoof]

Dazby, copy and paste this -----------> x

no probs

[Blunderer]

Seems to me like a classic WUM line of someone who is trying to prove their credibility to make at least one more person believe what they are saying...... if you were really that credible you wouldnt feel the need to mention how long you have been around City Forums......

I've been around them a while, but I have never felt the need to state how long in order to try to prove my point..... If your point carries any weight then the point you're maiking itself is enough, to go and throw in to the mix how long you've been around the forums for makes you look, well, quite frankly IMO, pretty silly, and takes all credibility away from your point anyway!

Let me explain it clearly...

When you have been around a forum a long time you build up credibility amongst posters. When you are on a new forum then you do not have that credibility.

Have a look how many posters called me a "bullshit" merchant on the BM thread. One or two newbies, maybe.

And let me tell you, they rip WUMs and ITKs to pieces for sport on Bluemoon. You lot are amateurs in comparison;)

[brite blu sky]

what questions? I've answered every question but to me by every one of you.

ok

1. how did your 'contact' come across such info?
2. how do you know this 'contact' is credible? ( being on the 'agent side' is not enough )
3. how did you ascertain this person did/does not have an agenda to push?

[Blunderer]

This whole thing about being civil is all well and good my friend, but you keep forgetting that you told everyone who wanted Vieira in the side to "fuck off" in your OP, so its a little late for civilities afterwards.

That post of yours was not to inform, it was to provoke. From start to finish.

As for "tearing me a new one", that's cyber talk and I don't entertain it. You're probably a decent skin in real life, but there is a massive amount of bullshit surrounding you and if its not coming directly from you, then you are in fact a bullshit vessel who is being used by some guy who wants to spread his crap.

Anyone who knows Stevie Ireland and has his best interests at heart would not be telling a frequent poster on a forum that the guy isn't happy. We are only a few games away from possible champions league qualification for the first time in our history and this kind of thing, true or not does not help the club, particularly when the player in question already had people on Bluemoon saying they'd drive him to sunderland and he happened to read that.

All in all, what you said was something anybody could have said, but saying it, be it true or not, served only to throw negativity around the place and honestly if I'd been told what you claim to have been, I'd keep my mouth shut because if I ever do find an insider, I'll be happy enough without taking my balls out for everyone to see, thus jeopardising my relationship with said source.

None of it makes sense. And that Ajay fella and his crew need help, not fans.

You need to calm down a little, son.

Step away from the keyboard and take deep breaths for a minute.

Better?

Right, you need to decide whether I'm a bullshitter, a "WUM", a fan of another club, an indiscrete gossip, a "self promoter" or a City hater who swears too much. Oh yes, or some Machavelian figure looking to oust Mancini.

Because to be honest you've bounced around all those ideas in your posts on this thread so far.

Surely I can't be all of those things?

[Beeks]

cheers

Bill Murray?

[dazby]

Quote " Well I'm on that thread now so expect sparks to fly...

I might come over all angry like i did on here yesterday ;) "

Well I think you're this.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Is it all true, maybe but so what I agree with those who say it's not really news but just being portrayed in a way to make it news again.

Is there an agenda here? Of course there is but I am not quite sure what or who's it is.

Would I post such a " story " if I was told something like this. Hell no as I am a City fan and it can't do anything good for City? I just think it's sad that there are a lot of people who seem to like stirring things up when they get hold of something like this or even worse if they just make it up as some do.

[Blunderer]

what questions? I've answered every question but to me by every one of you.

ok

1. how did your 'contact' come across such info?
2. how do you know this 'contact' is credible? ( being on the 'agent side' is not enough )
3. how did you ascertain this person did/does not have an agenda to push?

I've got to be a bit careful with these answers. I do not wish to reveal my source.

My contact is very close to SI. But he is not his agent and does not work for him or with him in any capacity.
His credibility is rock solid with me over time.
his agenda is that he wants SI to stay at City.
.

[DoomMerchant]

cheers

Bill Murray?

si senor, but more importantly just a quick comparison between how Team Zissou rolls and the old school Chuck Taylors. Clearly, someone in that pic is getting fitted for new shoes, right?

Just trying to add some deep, heavy, fucking insight into what this conversation is really, truly, actually ABOUT.

cheers