Run for Top 4 - The Way I See It

[Beefymcfc]

With a view to thinking it was one of my posts that tickled the brain cells, I will go on record and say that I truly think that Red Scouse and Villa are out of the running. Villa because they are so far behind and 'Pool 'cos they haven't got the games to make it up on Spurs.

To be honest, I think it is Tottenham's to lose and that it is only us who can upset the Apple Cart. Tomorrows game is crucial to our chances, combined with the game against them at home.

Only time will tell, but trust me, I've been known to be wrong!

Ok Beefy mate you think that Scouse and Villa are out of it but you think its Spuds to lose.Right i said we can afford to lose 3 games Spuds cant and they have RAGS,ARSE AND CHELSEA PLUS US to play and you dont think they will drop 9 pts?.It's ours mate and we start celebrating tomorrow imo when we go 1 point clear.

Just logged on mate and this was the first post I came to - very apt really ;-)

[gillie]

With a view to thinking it was one of my posts that tickled the brain cells, I will go on record and say that I truly think that Red Scouse and Villa are out of the running. Villa because they are so far behind and 'Pool 'cos they haven't got the games to make it up on Spurs.

To be honest, I think it is Tottenham's to lose and that it is only us who can upset the Apple Cart. Tomorrows game is crucial to our chances, combined with the game against them at home.

Only time will tell, but trust me, I've been known to be wrong!

Ok Beefy mate you think that Scouse and Villa are out of it but you think its Spuds to lose.Right i said we can afford to lose 3 games Spuds cant and they have RAGS,ARSE AND CHELSEA PLUS US to play and you dont think they will drop 9 pts?.It's ours mate and we start celebrating tomorrow imo when we go 1 point clear.

Just logged on mate and this was the first post I came to - very apt really ;-)

Touche mate but i still believe.

[Beefymcfc]

With a view to thinking it was one of my posts that tickled the brain cells, I will go on record and say that I truly think that Red Scouse and Villa are out of the running. Villa because they are so far behind and 'Pool 'cos they haven't got the games to make it up on Spurs.

To be honest, I think it is Tottenham's to lose and that it is only us who can upset the Apple Cart. Tomorrows game is crucial to our chances, combined with the game against them at home.

Only time will tell, but trust me, I've been known to be wrong!

Ok Beefy mate you think that Scouse and Villa are out of it but you think its Spuds to lose.Right i said we can afford to lose 3 games Spuds cant and they have RAGS,ARSE AND CHELSEA PLUS US to play and you dont think they will drop 9 pts?.It's ours mate and we start celebrating tomorrow imo when we go 1 point clear.

Just logged on mate and this was the first post I came to - very apt really ;-)

Touche mate but i still believe.

So do I pal, so do I.

[dazby]

Win all our games and we finish 4th, regardless of what the other teams do.

If you had told me at the start of the season that our fate would be in our own hands with 8 games to go I would have taken it. And I'm sure Mancini would have taken it too.

Imo we only need to win 6 and we will have 4th as that will give us 71pts and i have already stated that this figure would be enough.

Gillie...with respect, and I do respect what you have to say, We have almost as many draws (11) as wins (14), but you reckon we'll get almost half of our current win total in the final 8 games. The way we're playing I just don't see it, and I know I support Mancini, but I just don't see the skip and swagger the team has had at other stages of the season.

We have to beat Villa and Spurs which is a Given, Wigan, Rags, Brum are all going to be tough at home. Arsenal Burnley and Hammers are going to be equally tough.

I'll take Wigan, Brum, Burnley and Hammers immediately if you are to offer them to me, but the rest?...I just can't see it

Were you saying this before the Everton game?

[john68]

I have never known a time when so many City fans gave up so easily. I would hate to lead some of you pussies into battle.

There are still 8 games to go. We have seen that Villa, Spurs and L'Pool are in the same boat as us and none of them can put a decent run together. Tonight is a setback...not a fuckin crisis.

[john68]

I have never known a time when so many City fans gave up so easily. I would hate to lead some of you pussies into battle.

There are still 8 games to go. We have seen that Villa, Spurs and L'Pool are in the same boat as us and none of them can put a decent run together. Tonight is a setback...not a fuckin crisis.

[brite blu sky]

I have never known a time when so many City fans gave up so easily. I would hate to lead some of you pussies into battle.

There are still 8 games to go. We have seen that Villa, Spurs and L'Pool are in the same boat as us and none of them can put a decent run together. Tonight is a setback...not a fuckin crisis.

Havent read the threads.. but i can imagine..

personally i was of the opinion that if we beat them tonight then there would be too much momentum to stop us.. blah blah.. etc

As we fucled up.. then it is imo business as usual... no wonder magic wands... just battling it out the hard way and being in the mix for 4th.

i think the dissapointment is that if we had trashed the toffees in style.. we would quite rightly be thinking the earth was ours and all would be falling into place like we was a set of Liverpool fans or sommat..

[john68]

BBS,
I think the problem these days with fans stems from the all powerful and sensational media.
It doesn't seem that long ago when the papers seemed to report on football in a far more understated rationality. Good games and good players were just that. Now a couple of good performances turns players into Gods and teams into World beaters. Supporters seem too eager to submit to it all and so the pressure for immediate success increases.

Something that I don't think has been acknowledged is the fact that even if we make the 4th spot, we may get the CL place but we won't have broken into the elite group. The points gap between 3rd and 4th is around 10pts, which leads me to think that it is more to do with Liverpools's failures to compete as they have in previous years and less to do with us actually challenging the top 3.

We still have a very long way to go, whether we make 4th or not. We are still someway short of competing on an equal footing for the whole season with the Rags, Arsenal and Chelsea.
Let us not get too carried away at our aceivements.

[Manx Blue]

Win all our games and we finish 4th, regardless of what the other teams do.

If you had told me at the start of the season that our fate would be in our own hands with 8 games to go I would have taken it. And I'm sure Mancini would have taken it too.

Imo we only need to win 6 and we will have 4th as that will give us 71pts and i have already stated that this figure would be enough.

Gillie...with respect, and I do respect what you have to say, We have almost as many draws (11) as wins (14), but you reckon we'll get almost half of our current win total in the final 8 games. The way we're playing I just don't see it, and I know I support Mancini, but I just don't see the skip and swagger the team has had at other stages of the season.

We have to beat Villa and Spurs which is a Given, Wigan, Rags, Brum are all going to be tough at home. Arsenal Burnley and Hammers are going to be equally tough.

I'll take Wigan, Brum, Burnley and Hammers immediately if you are to offer them to me, but the rest?...I just can't see it

Were you saying this before the Everton game?

No Dazby....I was hopeful of qualifying for Champions League, but as I also said here that if we don't get it we shouldn't just dismiss the Europa league if we don't make the CL. I did say in another thread that I thought Everton had a big part to play in the remainder of the season

We haven't played well since around the the start of Feb. We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men. We had 45 great minutes at Sunderland, a good Hour at Fulham, but for the rest, we have been ponderous and dreadful

I want to see us do we'll, I'm supporting what Mancini is doing in trying to sort the defence out (If we don't conceed we give ourselves a reasonable chance), but I just can't see us winning 6 of our remaining games.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, and I hope you tell me so at the Derby on the Townley forecourt....but I just don't see it.

*** Just to add, we have won four games on the trot in the Premiership, twice this season. We have to at least replicate that if not better it to qualify for the champions league

[Ted Hughes]

We can still do it but are no longer favourites. Two weeks from now we may be favourites again, then outsiders, then favourites etc etc. That's probably how it'll be from now on, perhaps until the last game.

What we could really do with is absolutely hammering Wigan. Then the world will seem a different place.

[Beeks]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

[Manx Blue]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

OK I accept your point....but we also scored two goal when they had less than the full compliment on the pitch

[Ted Hughes]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

OK I accept your point....but we also scored two goal when they had less than the full compliment on the pitch

Bit misleading, one was the pen which was conceded when it was 11 v 11.

[Im_Spartacus]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

Was due to two absolute goalkeeping howlers though. Usually its us making the individual mistakes. Other teams, particularly other top teams seem far less prone to them which in a lot of cases over the lat 2 seasons has made the difference.

[Ted Hughes]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

Was due to two absolute goalkeeping howlers though. Usually its us making the individual mistakes. Other teams, particularly other top teams seem far less prone to them which in a lot of cases over the lat 2 seasons has made the difference.

I've noticed, particularly over the last few years, that whenever City pull off a great victory (or even a decent one) there always seem to be mitigating circumstances. Never noticed it when rags win or even Spurs or everton, just City.

[Beeks]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

Was due to two absolute goalkeeping howlers though. Usually its us making the individual mistakes. Other teams, particularly other top teams seem far less prone to them which in a lot of cases over the lat 2 seasons has made the difference.

I've noticed, particularly over the last few years, that whenever City pull off a great victory (or even a decent one) there always seem to be mitigating circumstances. Never noticed it when rags win or even Spurs or everton, just City.

*Claps*

Bob on Teddy

[Im_Spartacus]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

Was due to two absolute goalkeeping howlers though. Usually its us making the individual mistakes. Other teams, particularly other top teams seem far less prone to them which in a lot of cases over the lat 2 seasons has made the difference.

I've noticed, particularly over the last few years, that whenever City pull off a great victory (or even a decent one) there always seem to be mitigating circumstances. Never noticed it when rags win or even Spurs or everton, just City.

We dont watch Villa, Spurs and Everton week in week out, so its difficult to comment.

On the day, we would not have beaten chelsea had we played all decade without the bad individual mistakes from Terry & Hilario. Full credit for the win, but we caught Chelsea on an off day and were very very lucky that is happened. Often sides would not have beaten us without making individual mistakes like Dunne's unerring accuracy in the box, or full backs falling asleep. We seem much more prone to making those mistakes than the teams around us, so it was nice to see us get the rub of the green for once.

Don't think there were any mitigating circumstances when we beat Chelsea earlier in the season, or Arsenal, or United, or, well, need I go on?

[Ted Hughes]

We played well against Chelsea for 45-50 Minutes and took advantage of a team which went down to 9 Men.

Actually that's bollox...we took the lead against Chelsea when they had all 11 men on the pitch

Like a rag mate said to me 'City are strong against the top teams yet fail to turn up at games like Hull'

For once i'm in complete agreement

Was due to two absolute goalkeeping howlers though. Usually its us making the individual mistakes. Other teams, particularly other top teams seem far less prone to them which in a lot of cases over the lat 2 seasons has made the difference.

I've noticed, particularly over the last few years, that whenever City pull off a great victory (or even a decent one) there always seem to be mitigating circumstances. Never noticed it when rags win or even Spurs or everton, just City.

We dont watch Villa, Spurs and Everton week in week out, so its difficult to comment.

On the day, we would not have beaten chelsea had we played all decade without the bad individual mistakes from Terry & Hilario. Full credit for the win, but we caught Chelsea on an off day and were very very lucky that is happened. Often sides would not have beaten us without making individual mistakes like Dunne's unerring accuracy in the box, or full backs falling asleep. We seem much more prone to making those mistakes than the teams around us, so it was nice to see us get the rub of the green for once.

Don't think there were any mitigating circumstances when we beat Chelsea earlier in the season, or Arsenal, or U***d, or, well, need I go on?

We got away with a dodgy 1st half performance v Chelsea but we caused them all manner of problems 2nd half. We were as good as anyone in that period & deserved everything we got imo.

[Im_Spartacus]

I've noticed, particularly over the last few years, that whenever City pull off a great victory (or even a decent one) there always seem to be mitigating circumstances. Never noticed it when rags win or even Spurs or everton, just City.

We dont watch Villa, Spurs and Everton week in week out, so its difficult to comment.

On the day, we would not have beaten chelsea had we played all decade without the bad individual mistakes from Terry & Hilario. Full credit for the win, but we caught Chelsea on an off day and were very very lucky that is happened. Often sides would not have beaten us without making individual mistakes like Dunne's unerring accuracy in the box, or full backs falling asleep. We seem much more prone to making those mistakes than the teams around us, so it was nice to see us get the rub of the green for once.

Don't think there were any mitigating circumstances when we beat Chelsea earlier in the season, or Arsenal, or U***d, or, well, need I go on?

We got away with a dodgy 1st half performance v Chelsea but we caused them all manner of problems 2nd half. We were as good as anyone in that period & deserved everything we got imo.

Hardly EVERY game though is it?

I wasn't doing down the victory, the point was about getting a bit of luck in games, an opposition player making mistakes. It very very rarely seems to happen for us, wheras we seem to make plenty.

You need to put the opposition under pressure for them to make mistakes. We don't do it enough. We had the posession to do it last night, but the quality of the final ball, and frankly the intelligence of the play was seemingly lacking, thus we never really put Everton under any real pressure where an individual mistake could have been forced.

The number of times we call United or whoever lucky, when in reality as someone has already said either in this or different thread, they get the ball into damaging areas so often in a match they are dramatically increasing their chances of a player getting on the end of it or a defender making a mistake. This is imo why we are not pulling clear right now.

[btajim]

I wasn't seriously expecting us to lose 4-0, but i didn't think we'd beat them. I also think we could easily slip up against wigan, as they'll want it more than us although tonight's defeat may force us to play a high tempo on monday. By tuesday, i can see us looking out of the race and then going on a winning run to bring us back into it. As i said originally, all the challenging teams will drop points - that's why they're only chasing 4th. Villa proved that tonight and i can't see spurs being brilliant till the end.

Lots of ups and downs to come yet

I don't think a 2-0 defeat is a truly humiliating experience. Besides, Everton are becoming a bogey Team of sorts. A Club that seem to be able to beat us. I remember 1-0 last season when they had no Strikers and 2-0 the season before. Everton will be the only Club to do the double over us this season.

It's still Spurs for me. There's a Yid in the Office and she wasn't looking forwards to the Fulham Match last night with injuries to their squad etc. They comfortably won and had fought back from being a Goal down. City v Tottenham could be the Match to clinch 4th.