Mancini vs Hughes, Statistically

[DoomMerchant]

cunt. twat. etc.

sorry, someone had to step up.

cheers

[btajim]

They might be statistically better under Mancini - but it's Hughes' Team and will be until a core number of players have been signed by the new man. Hopefully they'll be more astute than Vieira's signing!

I personally won't listen to anything else about this until the season has finished.

[petrov]

bottom line is and its rarely i agree with nqdp, i want city to win not entertain, i'm still not convinced by mancini but you can't argue with his record, especially when you take the cups out of the equation.

yes we play shite football, but were we playing the exact same way and top of the league no one would say they are less likely to watch the shite we serve up. I want trophies, I want city to become the greatest club in football history, regardless of whether we play 6 defensive midfielders or 9 strikers.

As for we won't see the real mancini football till he brings in his own players, bullshit. I watch alot of italian football and inter always played simular to us just in a softer league with a stronger squad.

I'd rather see those rag cunts tear down that banner than see it go past 40 years despite entertaining football.

[brite blu sky]

bottom line is and its rarely i agree with nqdp, i want city to win not entertain, i'm still not convinced by mancini but you can't argue with his record, especially when you take the cups out of the equation.

yes we play shite football, but were we playing the exact same way and top of the league no one would say they are less likely to watch the shite we serve up. I want trophies, I want city to become the greatest club in football history, regardless of whether we play 6 defensive midfielders or 9 strikers.

As for we won't see the real mancini football till he brings in his own players, bullshit. I watch alot of italian football and inter always played simular to us just in a softer league with a stronger squad.

I'd rather see those rag cunts tear down that banner than see it go past 40 years despite entertaining football.

says it all imo.

also rigsby see the 3-0 and crap thread for all the results v entertainment arguments

[Blue Since 76]

Although i'm bored rigid watching mancini's team, i was annoyed watching hughes', as i felt he'd blown a lot of cash on poor players. If i was in charge, i'd want to know what roberto's style of play would be with his own players before i gave him a penny, but assuming he's negative as he doesn't trust the defensive qualities, he deserves a summer to bring in who he wants.

As much as i'm not convinced, who is there with a better record who would come? There's probably only a handful and a lot of them aren't proven at premier league level either. Mancini is younger than hughes and could be the manager to build a legacy. Hopefully.

[zuricity]

And as for the stats..

*Your comparing a guy that has loads of premiership experiance in playing and managing.A guy that previuosly had a whole season at the club under his belt.A guy that was given the chance to spend shit loads of cash on HIS own signings.

*To a guy that was thrown in half way through a season.Had no experiance in managing a Prem side.Had no real chance of spending large sums of money which resulted in him having to come in and find his feet with another managers squad without havin a pre-season to sus out the best playing style and selection. And he still ends up lookin the better of the two..

^^this
well said my friend

I'll third that . Nothing against showing stats though.

It's good that people realise there's more to it than just the stats.

Entertaining football, does that only mean goals ?

There have been some very good scoreless games over the years. Sometimes a 1-0 victory belies the 'boring' tag.

[Dameerto]

I get the feeling Italians don't like the mid season transfer window too much (based on nothing but my gut, which could just be wind) - and suspect the Dapper Don thought the squad was ok enough to tread water until the summer. If he stays with us he could well do some substantial tinkering to stamp his 'brand' onto it, we might have to say goodbye to a familiar face or two.

[zuricity]

Oh and whilst everyone's bitching and moaning. Did you see the way Kompany turned on ( turned around and bollocked) Toure
in the second half for not talking/communicating with him about a Wigan attack that broke down. City were already winning at the time. I found it an unusual thing for Kompany, normally so quiet/reserved. He did lay into Toure though.

Statistically more likely to screw up with toure playing than when he's not playing ( and no I don't have the stats either).

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Oh and whilst everyone's bitching and moaning. Did you see the way Kompany turned on ( turned around and bollocked) Toure
in the second half for not talking/communicating with him about a Wigan attack that broke down. City were already winning at the time. I found it an unusual thing for Kompany, normally so quiet/reserved. He did lay into Toure though.

Statistically more likely to screw up with toure playing than when he's not playing ( and no I don't have the stats either).

I saw it and thought he was right to do it. Toure did his best trying to throw the game. And in that instance it was his lack of basic movement, covering for his centerback pair when he goes for the ball, that lead into bollocking.

Toure is a liability. Can't wait to see Lescott back in action.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Oh and whilst everyone's bitching and moaning. Did you see the way Kompany turned on ( turned around and bollocked) Toure
in the second half for not talking/communicating with him about a Wigan attack that broke down. City were already winning at the time. I found it an unusual thing for Kompany, normally so quiet/reserved. He did lay into Toure though.

Statistically more likely to screw up with toure playing than when he's not playing ( and no I don't have the stats either).

I saw it and thought he was right to do it. Toure did his best trying to throw the game. And in that instance it was his lack of basic movement, covering for his centerback pair when he goes for the ball, that lead into bollocking.

Toure is a liability. Can't wait to see Lescott back in action.

Agreed. Toure has been the dissapointment of the season for me. Kompany tho is becoming everything I thought kolo would. All he needs is the armband.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I have never liked the way stats are trotted out to try to prove a point. There are always arguments why they are quite valid bla bla.
I have been away for a few days but the first thing I thought when reading this was that the stats have come out before we get through our tough home run of Brum,Scum,Villa and Spurs. Almsot as if thank god we beat Wigan so I can get some stats out. Playing at home against those 4 like we did against Everton and Wigan might just turn the stats the other way!!

That's the cynic in me. I hope to hell they don't and the stats looke as good or even better at the end of the season.

[brite blu sky]

I have never liked the way stats are trotted out to try to prove a point. There are always arguments why they are quite valid bla bla.
I have been away for a few days but the first thing I thought when reading this was that the stats have come out before we get through our tough home run of Brum,Scum,Villa and Spurs. Almsot as if thank god we beat Wigan so I can get some stats out. Playing at home against those 4 like we did against Everton and Wigan might just turn the stats the other way!!

That's the cynic in me. I hope to hell they don't and the stats looke as good or even better at the end of the season.

pmsl

[Dazzacity]

I have never liked the way stats are trotted out to try to prove a point. There are always arguments why they are quite valid bla bla.
I have been away for a few days but the first thing I thought when reading this was that the stats have come out before we get through our tough home run of Brum,Scum,Villa and Spurs. Almsot as if thank god we beat Wigan so I can get some stats out. Playing at home against those 4 like we did against Everton and Wigan might just turn the stats the other way!!

That's the cynic in me. I hope to hell they don't and the stats looke as good or even better at the end of the season.

It wouldnt totally shock me if we had people thinkin like that but in Hughes' favour "Thank fook we lost that game, I can throw some stats up to help towards tryin to convince people that we was wrong to get rid of Hughes".

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I have never liked the way stats are trotted out to try to prove a point. There are always arguments why they are quite valid bla bla.
I have been away for a few days but the first thing I thought when reading this was that the stats have come out before we get through our tough home run of Brum,Scum,Villa and Spurs. Almsot as if thank god we beat Wigan so I can get some stats out. Playing at home against those 4 like we did against Everton and Wigan might just turn the stats the other way!!

That's the cynic in me. I hope to hell they don't and the stats looke as good or even better at the end of the season.

It wouldnt totally shock me if we had people thinkin like that but in Hughes' favour "Thank fook we lost that game, I can throw some stats up to help towards tryin to convince people that we was wrong to get rid of Hughes".

hahaha good try! But they haven't have they?

[Dazzacity]

I have never liked the way stats are trotted out to try to prove a point. There are always arguments why they are quite valid bla bla.
I have been away for a few days but the first thing I thought when reading this was that the stats have come out before we get through our tough home run of Brum,Scum,Villa and Spurs. Almsot as if thank god we beat Wigan so I can get some stats out. Playing at home against those 4 like we did against Everton and Wigan might just turn the stats the other way!!

That's the cynic in me. I hope to hell they don't and the stats looke as good or even better at the end of the season.

It wouldnt totally shock me if we had people thinkin like that but in Hughes' favour "Thank fook we lost that game, I can throw some stats up to help towards tryin to convince people that we was wrong to get rid of Hughes".

hahaha good try! But they haven't have they?

Hehehe..Was just messin. Im sure there isnt a single City fan that would think that way..I hope not anyways!!!

[john68]

There have been times when the smugness of a few on here has tempted me though!!!

[Spurge]

I already have my tin hat on for all the "cunts" and "twats" etc. So fire at will.

I couldn't resist looking at the results under both managers during this season. They have had basically same squad to work with. I confess that oneof the reasons to look into this was to see whether there was any sense in talk about how Mancini ruined a perfectly good season where we were sailing for fourth spot. However the main reason was to see whether decision to sack Hughes made any statistical sense. Especially as every pundit and their dog have been pointing out that Mancini has already lost more games than Hughes this season. I only took league records into account as I believe Mancini was hired by owners with only one job in mind, to break into top 4.

So here we go.

Hughes:

P-----W----D-----L-----Points-----P.P.G.
17----7-----8-----2------29----------1.71


Mancini:

P-----W----D-----L-----Points-----P.P.G.
14----8-----3-----3------27----------1.93


Now the difference in points per game don't seem that big. Over the season they would equal 65 points under Hughes and 73 points under Mancini. Last season we would've finished 5th with Hughes' points tally and 4th with Mancini's. So in that sense it LOOKS to make sense STATISTICALLY.

And YES, I know they are just statistics but this is just to look at the situation from statistical point of view. There are LOT of other things to concern when sacking and replacing manager. And I don't know why I'm making excuses here. They are just statistical FACTS anyway (unless I counted something wrong, which is very much posible).

Any which way 8-3-3 is pretty good record by anyone's standards imo.

Well done

[BobKowalski]

And as for the stats..

*Your comparing a guy that has loads of premiership experiance in playing and managing.A guy that previuosly had a whole season at the club under his belt.A guy that was given the chance to spend shit loads of cash on HIS own signings.

*To a guy that was thrown in half way through a season.Had no experiance in managing a Prem side.Had no real chance of spending large sums of money which resulted in him having to come in and find his feet with another managers squad without havin a pre-season to sus out the best playing style and selection. And he still ends up lookin the better of the two..

Not to mention the world and his dog talks about Mancini getting the push at the season end for Mourinho which has to be unsettling as we hit squeaky bum time - which is another factor in all of this. The next 7 games are huge and we will see what the players and management are made of. Games are going to be tighter, tenser affairs no matter who is in charge. We stand at the foothills of a tremendous journey and God alone knows how it will pan out in the next two months. All I want for us is to win the game and reach that first base camp of a top 4 spot. Mancini can grind/bore/batter us to victory I don't give a fuck as long as he does it.

And if the prospect of us being in at the sharp end of the season doesn't excite you then you must be dead.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

And as for the stats..

*Your comparing a guy that has loads of premiership experiance in playing and managing.A guy that previuosly had a whole season at the club under his belt.A guy that was given the chance to spend shit loads of cash on HIS own signings.

*To a guy that was thrown in half way through a season.Had no experiance in managing a Prem side.Had no real chance of spending large sums of money which resulted in him having to come in and find his feet with another managers squad without havin a pre-season to sus out the best playing style and selection. And he still ends up lookin the better of the two..

Not to mention the world and his dog talks about Mancini getting the push at the season end for Mourinho which has to be unsettling as we hit squeaky bum time - which is another factor in all of this. The next 7 games are huge and we will see what the players and management are made of. Games are going to be tighter, tenser affairs no matter who is in charge. We stand at the foothills of a tremendous journey and God alone knows how it will pan out in the next two months. All I want for us is to win the game and reach that first base camp of a top 4 spot. Mancini can grind/bore/batter us to victory I don't give a fuck as long as he does it.

And if the prospect of us being in at the sharp end of the season doesn't excite you then you must be dead.

Spot on as always.

At this stage of the season and where we are in league table, I can barely think about such inferior things as quality of football. It's all about getting one result at the time and try and claim that 4th spot by any means necessary. A real edge of the seat stuff in itself. Regardless of who is in charge.

[Ted Hughes]

And as for the stats..

*Your comparing a guy that has loads of premiership experiance in playing and managing.A guy that previuosly had a whole season at the club under his belt.A guy that was given the chance to spend shit loads of cash on HIS own signings.

*To a guy that was thrown in half way through a season.Had no experiance in managing a Prem side.Had no real chance of spending large sums of money which resulted in him having to come in and find his feet with another managers squad without havin a pre-season to sus out the best playing style and selection. And he still ends up lookin the better of the two..

Not to mention the world and his dog talks about Mancini getting the push at the season end for Mourinho which has to be unsettling as we hit squeaky bum time - which is another factor in all of this. The next 7 games are huge and we will see what the players and management are made of. Games are going to be tighter, tenser affairs no matter who is in charge. We stand at the foothills of a tremendous journey and God alone knows how it will pan out in the next two months. All I want for us is to win the game and reach that first base camp of a top 4 spot. Mancini can grind/bore/batter us to victory I don't give a fuck as long as he does it.

And if the prospect of us being in at the sharp end of the season doesn't excite you then you must be dead.

Looks more like he's standing there confused & puddling us to victory imo but if it works good luck to him. 'Luck' possibly being the key word.