Mancini vs Hughes, Statistically

[Original Dub]

Thats because I see it differently. I'm sure we've had this conversation already :)

I do see that Mancini can get things wrong and then tries to change things. I do see that Mancini tries different formations/personnel dependant on the opposition and that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I do see tht Mancini looked at the defence and established that Kompany/Lescott was the way to go and did so relatively quickly (injuries permitting). I do see that Mancini is trying tp smack into their heads that organisation and team shape is important and has to be maintained for 90 minutes plus (they'll get it eventually Roberto). I do see that Bellers can actually play 2 games within a few days of each other (I threw this one in as it occurred to me the other day that Bellers seems to be playing more).

I don't see a Hughes sitting there as an ageing full back is roasted for a full 90 mins with nothing done about it or players looking for direction from the management and getting fuck all back. In a nutshell I like the Mancini way of doing things. In the long run it will be more effective and in the short term it will get you more points. If we want to be a major force in the PL and in Europe we need a coach who can operate at the highest level. I believe Mancini can do that.

Pretty simple really.

It's because you prefer to see it differently.

Re Bellamy; no he SHOULDN'T be playing so many games, the manager is risking Bellamy's future to try & save his own. Why do you think he was on the bench rather than starting?

I don't know if you were at the game or not or having a half time pie but Mancini spent most of half time, when he could have been giving pearls of tactical wisdom to the players (who was doing that? Is that being proactive?) staring intently at Bellamy going through his training exercises. So imo rather than proving Bellamy can happily play 2 games in a week, he was seeing if it was possible to get him on the pitch without breaking down because he hadn't got the ability to change it any other way & his arse was on the line. In other words; playing Bellamy so often is & was utter desperation. I'm sure you can find another reason for him doing that but it was pretty obvious to me what was going on.

Well according to Bellers he's only got a year or two left in him anyway so he might as well sacrifice it for a good cause.

And look on the bright side if Hughes lands the Celtic job (must not titter when I type that. Bad Bob) I'm sure Bellers can get a few more years in the SPL.

On a more serious note I think we all prefer to see things in away that suits our own prejudices and viewpoints. Just as you see things negatively I see the same actions in a more positive light. Although it would be nice if the usual suspects did not keep banging on about how shite Mancini is everytime we lose a match or don't win match by at least 3 clear goals - no hang on sorry by 4 clear goals. Actually the best ones are how the Chelsea result doesn't really count because we hit them on a slump so Mancini still hasn't really beaten anyone of note :)

It seems 'Mancini Derangement Syndrome' (MDS) has replaced 'Hughes Derangement Syndrome' (HDS). All the same symptoms but equally tedious to the uninfected.

I get your support of Mancini which seems to defiant to the point of complete blindness or ignorance at times, but that's quite a few times you've intimated that Bellamy is not one of our best players...

I don't know what you've got against him, but lay off, its embarrassing TBH.

The day Bellamy leaves this club I most certainly will not be "looking on the bright side".

And you should say what you see when it comes to matches. If you you were honest you'd say since Mancini has arrived, we've watched a lot of really boring football and flashes of decent football with so so results.

Instead, everything you seem to see is exciting and whenever anyone questions it, they've "lost their marbles" or they're "dead".

Its hard to take you serious on the Mancini subject at this stage. NQDP's opinions on him are laughable but he's been a panto villain on here for some time now.... be warned though, you're in danger of taking his job and he won't be happy about it.

[BobKowalski]

Thats because I see it differently. I'm sure we've had this conversation already :)

I do see that Mancini can get things wrong and then tries to change things. I do see that Mancini tries different formations/personnel dependant on the opposition and that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I do see tht Mancini looked at the defence and established that Kompany/Lescott was the way to go and did so relatively quickly (injuries permitting). I do see that Mancini is trying tp smack into their heads that organisation and team shape is important and has to be maintained for 90 minutes plus (they'll get it eventually Roberto). I do see that Bellers can actually play 2 games within a few days of each other (I threw this one in as it occurred to me the other day that Bellers seems to be playing more).

I don't see a Hughes sitting there as an ageing full back is roasted for a full 90 mins with nothing done about it or players looking for direction from the management and getting fuck all back. In a nutshell I like the Mancini way of doing things. In the long run it will be more effective and in the short term it will get you more points. If we want to be a major force in the PL and in Europe we need a coach who can operate at the highest level. I believe Mancini can do that.

Pretty simple really.

It's because you prefer to see it differently.

Re Bellamy; no he SHOULDN'T be playing so many games, the manager is risking Bellamy's future to try & save his own. Why do you think he was on the bench rather than starting?

I don't know if you were at the game or not or having a half time pie but Mancini spent most of half time, when he could have been giving pearls of tactical wisdom to the players (who was doing that? Is that being proactive?) staring intently at Bellamy going through his training exercises. So imo rather than proving Bellamy can happily play 2 games in a week, he was seeing if it was possible to get him on the pitch without breaking down because he hadn't got the ability to change it any other way & his arse was on the line. In other words; playing Bellamy so often is & was utter desperation. I'm sure you can find another reason for him doing that but it was pretty obvious to me what was going on.

Well according to Bellers he's only got a year or two left in him anyway so he might as well sacrifice it for a good cause.

And look on the bright side if Hughes lands the Celtic job (must not titter when I type that. Bad Bob) I'm sure Bellers can get a few more years in the SPL.

On a more serious note I think we all prefer to see things in away that suits our own prejudices and viewpoints. Just as you see things negatively I see the same actions in a more positive light. Although it would be nice if the usual suspects did not keep banging on about how shite Mancini is everytime we lose a match or don't win match by at least 3 clear goals - no hang on sorry by 4 clear goals. Actually the best ones are how the Chelsea result doesn't really count because we hit them on a slump so Mancini still hasn't really beaten anyone of note :)

It seems 'Mancini Derangement Syndrome' (MDS) has replaced 'Hughes Derangement Syndrome' (HDS). All the same symptoms but equally tedious to the uninfected.

I get your support of Mancini which seems to defiant to the point of complete blindness or ignorance at times, but that's quite a few times you've intimated that Bellamy is not one of our best players...

I don't know what you've got against him, but lay off, its embarrassing TBH.

The day Bellamy leaves this club I most certainly will not be "looking on the bright side".

And you should say what you see when it comes to matches. If you you were honest you'd say since Mancini has arrived, we've watched a lot of really boring football and flashes of decent football with so so results.

Instead, everything you seem to see is exciting and whenever anyone questions it, they've "lost their marbles" or they're "dead".

Its hard to take you serious on the Mancini subject at this stage. NQDP's opinions on him are laughable but he's been a panto villain on here for some time now.... be warned though, you're in danger of taking his job and he won't be happy about it.

"He's behind you!"
"Oh no he isn't!"
"Oh yes he is"

And repeat for several minutes.

And I have never, ever used the phrase "they've lost their marbles" cira 1950's

But back to stats. In 18 months under Hughes we won 4 PL away games. In 3 months under Mancini we have now won 4 PL away games. Not a lot of people know that.

"Oh yes they did"
"Oh no they didn't"
"Oh yes -

Ah bollocks to it :)

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Thats because I see it differently. I'm sure we've had this conversation already :)

I do see that Mancini can get things wrong and then tries to change things. I do see that Mancini tries different formations/personnel dependant on the opposition and that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I do see tht Mancini looked at the defence and established that Kompany/Lescott was the way to go and did so relatively quickly (injuries permitting). I do see that Mancini is trying tp smack into their heads that organisation and team shape is important and has to be maintained for 90 minutes plus (they'll get it eventually Roberto). I do see that Bellers can actually play 2 games within a few days of each other (I threw this one in as it occurred to me the other day that Bellers seems to be playing more).

I don't see a Hughes sitting there as an ageing full back is roasted for a full 90 mins with nothing done about it or players looking for direction from the management and getting fuck all back. In a nutshell I like the Mancini way of doing things. In the long run it will be more effective and in the short term it will get you more points. If we want to be a major force in the PL and in Europe we need a coach who can operate at the highest level. I believe Mancini can do that.

Pretty simple really.

It's because you prefer to see it differently.

Re Bellamy; no he SHOULDN'T be playing so many games, the manager is risking Bellamy's future to try & save his own. Why do you think he was on the bench rather than starting?

I don't know if you were at the game or not or having a half time pie but Mancini spent most of half time, when he could have been giving pearls of tactical wisdom to the players (who was doing that? Is that being proactive?) staring intently at Bellamy going through his training exercises. So imo rather than proving Bellamy can happily play 2 games in a week, he was seeing if it was possible to get him on the pitch without breaking down because he hadn't got the ability to change it any other way & his arse was on the line. In other words; playing Bellamy so often is & was utter desperation. I'm sure you can find another reason for him doing that but it was pretty obvious to me what was going on.

Well according to Bellers he's only got a year or two left in him anyway so he might as well sacrifice it for a good cause.

And look on the bright side if Hughes lands the Celtic job (must not titter when I type that. Bad Bob) I'm sure Bellers can get a few more years in the SPL.

On a more serious note I think we all prefer to see things in away that suits our own prejudices and viewpoints. Just as you see things negatively I see the same actions in a more positive light. Although it would be nice if the usual suspects did not keep banging on about how shite Mancini is everytime we lose a match or don't win match by at least 3 clear goals - no hang on sorry by 4 clear goals. Actually the best ones are how the Chelsea result doesn't really count because we hit them on a slump so Mancini still hasn't really beaten anyone of note :)

It seems 'Mancini Derangement Syndrome' (MDS) has replaced 'Hughes Derangement Syndrome' (HDS). All the same symptoms but equally tedious to the uninfected.

I get your support of Mancini which seems to defiant to the point of complete blindness or ignorance at times, but that's quite a few times you've intimated that Bellamy is not one of our best players...

I don't know what you've got against him, but lay off, its embarrassing TBH.

The day Bellamy leaves this club I most certainly will not be "looking on the bright side".

And you should say what you see when it comes to matches. If you you were honest you'd say since Mancini has arrived, we've watched a lot of really boring football and flashes of decent football with so so results.

Instead, everything you seem to see is exciting and whenever anyone questions it, they've "lost their marbles" or they're "dead".

Its hard to take you serious on the Mancini subject at this stage. NQDP's opinions on him are laughable but he's been a panto villain on here for some time now.... be warned though, you're in danger of taking his job and he won't be happy about it.

so and so results? And this same week when you were moaning about the owners. The usual form for you of course but I can only wonder will you ever get tired of embarrasing yourself.

Didn't see you here after last nights game. You've been here like a clock after every game we've drawn or lost, usually even before Douglas H. to share your wisdoms. In fact you are here to moan after games we've won as well.

[Blue in North London]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

[Dubaimancityfan]

City - Burnley under Hughes 3-3. Burnely-City under Mancini 1-6. Nuff said.

[10.Goater_Legend]

City - Burnley under Hughes 3-3. Burnely-City under Mancini 1-6. Nuff said.

[Original Dub]

Thats because I see it differently. I'm sure we've had this conversation already :)

I do see that Mancini can get things wrong and then tries to change things. I do see that Mancini tries different formations/personnel dependant on the opposition and that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I do see tht Mancini looked at the defence and established that Kompany/Lescott was the way to go and did so relatively quickly (injuries permitting). I do see that Mancini is trying tp smack into their heads that organisation and team shape is important and has to be maintained for 90 minutes plus (they'll get it eventually Roberto). I do see that Bellers can actually play 2 games within a few days of each other (I threw this one in as it occurred to me the other day that Bellers seems to be playing more).

I don't see a Hughes sitting there as an ageing full back is roasted for a full 90 mins with nothing done about it or players looking for direction from the management and getting fuck all back. In a nutshell I like the Mancini way of doing things. In the long run it will be more effective and in the short term it will get you more points. If we want to be a major force in the PL and in Europe we need a coach who can operate at the highest level. I believe Mancini can do that.

Pretty simple really.

It's because you prefer to see it differently.

Re Bellamy; no he SHOULDN'T be playing so many games, the manager is risking Bellamy's future to try & save his own. Why do you think he was on the bench rather than starting?

I don't know if you were at the game or not or having a half time pie but Mancini spent most of half time, when he could have been giving pearls of tactical wisdom to the players (who was doing that? Is that being proactive?) staring intently at Bellamy going through his training exercises. So imo rather than proving Bellamy can happily play 2 games in a week, he was seeing if it was possible to get him on the pitch without breaking down because he hadn't got the ability to change it any other way & his arse was on the line. In other words; playing Bellamy so often is & was utter desperation. I'm sure you can find another reason for him doing that but it was pretty obvious to me what was going on.

Well according to Bellers he's only got a year or two left in him anyway so he might as well sacrifice it for a good cause.

And look on the bright side if Hughes lands the Celtic job (must not titter when I type that. Bad Bob) I'm sure Bellers can get a few more years in the SPL.

On a more serious note I think we all prefer to see things in away that suits our own prejudices and viewpoints. Just as you see things negatively I see the same actions in a more positive light. Although it would be nice if the usual suspects did not keep banging on about how shite Mancini is everytime we lose a match or don't win match by at least 3 clear goals - no hang on sorry by 4 clear goals. Actually the best ones are how the Chelsea result doesn't really count because we hit them on a slump so Mancini still hasn't really beaten anyone of note :)

It seems 'Mancini Derangement Syndrome' (MDS) has replaced 'Hughes Derangement Syndrome' (HDS). All the same symptoms but equally tedious to the uninfected.

I get your support of Mancini which seems to defiant to the point of complete blindness or ignorance at times, but that's quite a few times you've intimated that Bellamy is not one of our best players...

I don't know what you've got against him, but lay off, its embarrassing TBH.

The day Bellamy leaves this club I most certainly will not be "looking on the bright side".

And you should say what you see when it comes to matches. If you you were honest you'd say since Mancini has arrived, we've watched a lot of really boring football and flashes of decent football with so so results.

Instead, everything you seem to see is exciting and whenever anyone questions it, they've "lost their marbles" or they're "dead".

Its hard to take you serious on the Mancini subject at this stage. NQDP's opinions on him are laughable but he's been a panto villain on here for some time now.... be warned though, you're in danger of taking his job and he won't be happy about it.

so and so results? And this same week when you were moaning about the owners. The usual form for you of course but I can only wonder will you ever get tired of embarrasing yourself.

Didn't see you here after last nights game. You've been here like a clock after every game we've drawn or lost, usually even before Douglas H. to share your wisdoms. In fact you are here to moan after games we've won as well.

You thought I was serious when I said I wanted the owners to leave and bring Mark Hughes back?!! Are you fucking retarded?!! It was a joke you utter knob.

Sorry for not being on here last night. It was saturday night and I have friends.

Mad isn't it.

[Grob]

Well I thought Hughes was pretty mint

[ronk]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

[mcfc1632]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

Absolutely - whereas Bob has/had the benefit of just picking up a bunch of top players already well positioned for 4th

....problem with threads like this - is that they are started /continued for the seemingly 'wrong' reasons - by the 'wrong' posters

For those CITY fans that just get on with supporting CITY and including getting behind the manager and the owner - well we just get on with supporting CITY and getting behind the manager - so we are getting behind Mancini - as we previously got behind Hughes -rather than just continuously 'beating our own drum' about narrow self-serving themes - including a sustained bigotry against an incumbent manager.......

It is always those that were stridently against the club's manager and the owner's decisions that start threads like this - there are several - and these posters also do the majority of posts

A psychologist might well conclude that it is down to some 'inner need' to rid themselves of the 'guilt' associated to their previous campaigning - or perhaps an insecurity based need to demonstrate that 'they were right' - certainly the pure shallowness of a poster suggesting OD was critical of the owner after themselves spending over a year and 1000's of posts slagging off the management that the owner was supporting is hypocrisy of the highest order and demonstrates a massive failure in objectivity

[ronk]

... a massive failure in objectivity

meh, a football forum isn't the place to be looking for objectivity.

[mcfc1632]

... a massive failure in objectivity

meh, a football forum isn't the place to be looking for objectivity.

....well - a forum is defined as being a place for 'open discussion' - so you would expect to see a broad range of views with people exchanging ideas / thoughts reflecting both temperate to extreme views - it follows that some of the posts would display ignorance, bigotry, a need to obsess and be self-serving - whilst others would be reasoned, inclusive of the views of other and objective

....just pointing this out - personally I see a lot of the latter in the posts from OD

through such actions / posting - people demonstrate their personalities - whether they are reasoned - or knobs

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Get the fuck out my topics you fucking weasel. I don't want to see your username on any of my topics. Without even seeing the contents of your bullshit posts, your username alone pisses me off.

You have been warned not act like a little weirdo and stay the fuck away from me. So do so and do not comment on anything I post and I don't come and comment on your little weirdo topics for stalkers and wankers.

Oh yeah, and don't bother answering to this or any other thing I post you fucking coward, as I can't and will not see them. Just stay the fuck away from me.

[btajim]

Get the fuck out my topics you fucking weasel. I don't want to see your username on any of my topics. Without even seeing the contents of your bullshit posts, your username alone pisses me off.

You have been warned not act like a little weirdo and stay the fuck away from me. So do so and do not comment on anything I post and I don't come and comment on your little weirdo topics for stalkers and wankers.

Oh yeah, and don't bother answering to this or any other thing I post you fucking coward, as I can't and will not see them. Just stay the fuck away from me.

Bit harsh, Antti. Who was that aimed at?

Not me, I hope.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

Yeah he kept saying that over and over and over and over again.

[Original Dub]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

Yeah he kept saying that over and over and over and over again.

And still people forget what he did was unprecedented in the premier league and most of europe... no matter how many times he said it.

[BobKowalski]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

Yeah he kept saying that over and over and over and over again.

And still people forget what he did was unprecedented in the premier league and most of europe... no matter how many times he said it.

What was unprecedented?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Did you know that Hughes used only one youth teamer (Weiss) in 18 months whereas Mancini has used 4???? (apparently)

Mancio is and has always been one to give youth a chance.

[Original Dub]

Both managers are very good IMO. It's impossible to compare at the moment as Hughes had the opportunity to build his team.

And he needed to build a team.

Yeah he kept saying that over and over and over and over again.

And still people forget what he did was unprecedented in the premier league and most of europe... no matter how many times he said it.

What was unprecedented?

Building to take a team from mid to lower table into champions league qualification in a short space of time.

[Slim]

Building to take a team from mid to lower table into champions league qualification in a short space of time.

God, how long have I been away from here? When did Hughes do this?