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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat May 08, 2010 6:14 am

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dazby wrote:A left back, an attacking midfielder and we are sorted.


I wouldnt be surprised if Joe Hart came back as number 1, maybe a couple of full backs one for each side,2 midfielders to really control the game and attack ,quite probably a quality wide player plus at least 1 top striker.


nice shopping list that. I'd also consider quality centerback.


Lescott coming back and Boetang already agreed to sign....how many do you want?


I'm not sure Boateng is there to replace either of the starting centerbacks and I have a feeling Toure will move on. Captain rarely stays if he is stripped off the armband and I can't see him staying as a captain. Lescott is injury waiting to happen and same can be said about Nedum. Also, I'm kind of hoping Lescott would replace Bridge as starting leftback which would immediately sort that problem.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Grob » Sat May 08, 2010 7:13 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
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john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.


If we spend the same as we did last summer, i expect us to be up with the Scum and Chelsea in the top 3 next season.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Slim » Sat May 08, 2010 11:16 am

Grob wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.


If we spend the same as we did last summer, i expect us to be up with the Scum and Chelsea in the top 3 next season.


And I think we'd be rather stupid to assume Mancini isn't thinking about the same thing.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sat May 08, 2010 11:44 am

Personally, i'd be pretty fucked off if we see a total start from scratch approach to the squad.

I'd be looking for quality full backs who can both attack and defend, keeping Bridge and Micah as stand ins
I'd be looking for a good quality Centre Half (although maybe we already have him in Lescott)
I'd want a right winger who can cross, and take a corner.
2x CM who is the go-to guy when the chips are down, who will put tackles in, who can see the runs ahead of him, and who gets in the box
2x CFs who are just an out and out goal machines, not ones who pop up in defence or the wings, and occasionally joins in the box.

That would see RSC, Toure, SWP, Jo, Bojinov, Caicedo, Ireland, Adebayor, Sylvinho, Vieira, Garrido, Zabaleta leave. I wouldnt want to see wholesale changes, and of the 8 I would like to come in, they wouldnt all play every week, but would give us the OPTIONS we need.

Of those leaving, only 2/3 have been regularly involved this season, the rest are very much fringe players. This would give the stability the squad needs, whilst also freshening things up to work with the tactics Mancini wants to employ.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby john@staustell » Sat May 08, 2010 12:48 pm

Grob wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.


If we spend the same as we did last summer, i expect us to be up with the Scum and Chelsea in the top 3 next season.


Obvious really. Cant understand why some people think we should improve such a tiny amount, given that with a few different twists for us or Spuds we'd be 4th right now. Title challenge is NOT a crazy expectation.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Vhero » Sat May 08, 2010 1:24 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.

Erm nope I don't think you understand mate you shoot for the moon and all that.. If we go for the title we probably won't get it but top 4 will probably be a certainty.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Original Dub » Sat May 08, 2010 1:33 pm

Vhero wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.

Erm nope I don't think you understand mate you shoot for the moon and all that.. If we go for the title we probably won't get it but top 4 will probably be a certainty.


I agree 100% I think.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sat May 08, 2010 1:34 pm

Vhero wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.

Erm nope I don't think you understand mate you shoot for the moon and all that.. If we go for the title we probably won't get it but top 4 will probably be a certainty.


Thank fuck for that
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Slim » Sat May 08, 2010 1:35 pm

I certainly probably agree with the certainty of Vhero's probabilities.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Original Dub » Sat May 08, 2010 1:54 pm

Slim wrote:I certainly probably agree with the certainty of Vhero's probabilities.


Well I think that's a sure thing.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby john68 » Sat May 08, 2010 1:55 pm

Vhero,
When you play darts Mate, do you aim at the number next to the one you really want, just in case you would have missed it?

We play 38 games and we play each and every one of them to WIN. We play for the full season and add up the points. At the end of the season, if we have enough, we are Champions. That's the way it works.
During this season there were enough games that we could have expected to win that we didn't. There are sufficent of those types of lost points that we can again expect to win next season, to put us right at the top. Wher we really could and shopuld have been this season.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Vhero » Sat May 08, 2010 2:00 pm

Ack I just realised I put that thanks for the usual ribbing guys typical of the members on here I expect nothing less not 1 fucking mature poster on here any more it seems.. Whatever.. I just meant you shoot for the moon and you get a star you know?? But whatever.. I am used to this shit by now...
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Slim » Sat May 08, 2010 2:03 pm

Vhero wrote:Ack I just realised I put that thanks for the usual ribbing guys typical of the members on here I expect nothing less not 1 fucking mature poster on here any more it seems.. Whatever.. I just meant you shoot for the moon and you get a star you know?? But whatever.. I am used to this shit by now...


Probably certainly.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby john68 » Sat May 08, 2010 2:09 pm

No Vhero, I'm not taking the piss. Nor do I believe that a tilt at the top is unrealistic, nor was it this year.

I agree, we may fail and another club mat prove better but that shopuld not stop us targetting the highest position possible. Although the points difference between us and the leading two clubs seems large, we were not that far away. There were enough silly points dropped, points that we should reasonably have expected to pick up that stopped us putting a concerted challenge in.

We don't have to improve that much to eradicate those silly losses. We have to be a little bit more proffessional and a little bit more clinical in our mental approach and we are up there with the best. Add to that, that Mancini will be expecting to field a stronger squad next season and...is it so ridiculous?
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun May 09, 2010 7:40 am

Vhero wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dronny wrote:
john@staustell wrote:The period of umpteen draws on the run, when we lost out on a title challenge, would never happen to the squad we have right now, only 5 moths down the line. No good doing 'what if?' etc but we are, despite our short-comings, going into next season in a very strong position, which can only be enhanced by signings.

Mancini will be starting August fully expecting a title challenge, nothing less.


Here, here


oh dear. This season isn't over yet and people already have crazy expectations for next season.

Breaking into top four and solidifying our place there should be next step. Like owners said, this was second season in five season plan to win the title.

Erm nope I don't think you understand mate you shoot for the moon and all that.. If we go for the title we probably won't get it but top 4 will probably be a certainty.


But even if we finish 4th, people would not be happy as "we were aiming for the title". I don't think we are ready to win the title next season no matter what.

Then again, finishing out of top 4 next season would be quite unacceptable as well provided we spend big again this season.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Sun May 09, 2010 8:36 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Slim wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
dazby wrote:A left back, an attacking midfielder and we are sorted.


I wouldnt be surprised if Joe Hart came back as number 1, maybe a couple of full backs one for each side,2 midfielders to really control the game and attack ,quite probably a quality wide player plus at least 1 top striker.


nice shopping list that. I'd also consider quality centerback.


Lescott coming back and Boetang already agreed to sign....how many do you want?


I'm not sure Boateng is there to replace either of the starting centerbacks and I have a feeling Toure will move on. Captain rarely stays if he is stripped off the armband and I can't see him staying as a captain. Lescott is injury waiting to happen and same can be said about Nedum. Also, I'm kind of hoping Lescott would replace Bridge as starting leftback which would immediately sort that problem.


I see Lescott and Kompany as a quality centre back pairing and with Boateng coming in 3 who are good enough. The rest we have Toure/Ned/Richards are all fine in the squad but clearly 1 or all 3 could move on.Maybe Lescott will be used at full back as Mancini was going to do before this current injury.

As for the idea that we have strikers on loan who might come back , I seriously hope not as none of them are close to good enough.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun May 09, 2010 8:40 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I'm not sure Boateng is there to replace either of the starting centerbacks and I have a feeling Toure will move on. Captain rarely stays if he is stripped off the armband and I can't see him staying as a captain. Lescott is injury waiting to happen and same can be said about Nedum. Also, I'm kind of hoping Lescott would replace Bridge as starting leftback which would immediately sort that problem.


I see Lescott and Kompany as a quality centre back pairing and with Boateng coming in 3 who are good enough. The rest we have Toure/Ned/Richards are all fine in the squad but clearly 1 or all 3 could move on.Maybe Lescott will be used at full back as Mancini was going to do before this current injury.

As for the idea that we have strikers on loan who might come back , I seriously hope not as none of them are close to good enough.


Definitely agree with that. I'd try to ditch ALL of them and get one quality striker (Dzeko? Benzema?) on rotation with El Apache and Adebayor for starters spot.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby ant london » Sun May 09, 2010 8:49 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Definitely agree with that. I'd try to ditch ALL of them and get one quality striker (Dzeko? Benzema?) on rotation with El Apache, ROQUE SANTA CRUUUUUUZ and Adebayor for starters spot.



You forgot about Roque mate

An oversight I am sure
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun May 09, 2010 8:53 am

ant london wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Definitely agree with that. I'd try to ditch ALL of them and get one quality striker (Dzeko? Benzema?) on rotation with El Apache, ROQUE SANTA CRUUUUUUZ and Adebayor for starters spot.



You forgot about Roque mate

An oversight I am sure


Yeah, I have hard time thinking we'll be able to hang onto such top talent.
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Re: Making An Impact Enough?

Postby bluecreed » Sun May 09, 2010 9:49 am

things really look gloomy for the club ahead ... i am not a doomsayer but d way things r goin here it would be anyone 's guess dat we may need 7 - 8 players in d summer . acc. to news spuds will sign bellamy for 6 m & arsenal wants to sign swp for 5 m , ireland wants to move , RSC will look ahead for greener prospects ,petrov will go on a free transfer ,richards on its way ahead and spuds sendin feelers for onouha , with considerable amount of first team gone and chunk of bench too ... it really scares me that instead of strengthening our weak areas i.e.
fullbacks , creative M.F. , centre half and another striker .. we have to jus cover up d shithole once these players leave & we cant buy 10 players this summer .this may have a domino effect on other players too like tevez who recently said he is happy here and wants to win things here but who knows he may change his mind .....i dont know wtf is wrong with mancini with so many players not happy wid him ...if one or 2 players not happy is ok but so many players waana leave really sends d wrong signal.we r trying to buy good players like ozil , di maria , torres , luiz and dont know if ne1 lands here and i think it will be mancini trying to bring more italian shit here in d club like cassano and other bs.he didnt go too strong in the jan transfer market too with just chasing d shadows for mariga and gago , and johnson too signed on last day .. i know clubs will try to act too hank panky with us for our newfound financial cloud but guyz quality players do not come cheap .. and johnson has showed that what he is all about and after all its not mancini's money anyway :) ... he really acted too pricey and messed up with the victor moses deal which could have been a great mid season transfer adding teeth to our strike force . lets hope things change soon.
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