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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 18, 2010 8:09 am

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Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Beanieboy wrote:please city don't cock up big money on another brazilian, Why piss on talent like Ned and Micah and waste more than double what we would get for them on an unproven brazilian that looks like Elano


first of all, Ned already played himself out of the club with his performance on soccer AM. Second, Luiz plays on the left side of central defence or as leftback, so this has no affect on either of them. Third, he is not unproven nor does he look like Elano. Fourth, we are aiming for the top not the fucking seventh spot, that's why we need improvement. Fifth, just because we haven't had much luck with Brazilians, it doesn't mean all brazilians are cunts, they aren't. Sixth, you've never even seen him play have you?


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Ned's obviously been told he's going & wouldn't be competing for the same position as this bloke anyway. I recon Ned is one of the players who City will have been using as a bargaining tool for some of their other PL targets at places like Villa/Everton.

I have a 'no Brazilians' policy though. Not because they're all cunts but because most of their footballers are. This bloke looks pretty good tbf & their defenders are used to playing behind preening, overrated, lazy, big headed ,wankers so usually earn every penny of their wages.
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue May 18, 2010 8:14 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Beanieboy wrote:please city don't cock up big money on another brazilian, Why piss on talent like Ned and Micah and waste more than double what we would get for them on an unproven brazilian that looks like Elano


first of all, Ned already played himself out of the club with his performance on soccer AM. Second, Luiz plays on the left side of central defence or as leftback, so this has no affect on either of them. Third, he is not unproven nor does he look like Elano. Fourth, we are aiming for the top not the fucking seventh spot, that's why we need improvement. Fifth, just because we haven't had much luck with Brazilians, it doesn't mean all brazilians are cunts, they aren't. Sixth, you've never even seen him play have you?

But he does look like Elano, in fact they look like they came from the same womb; which obviously shoots down your whole argument!
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby eastlandsblue » Tue May 18, 2010 8:18 am

thats a good point ted, hopefully it works out that way.
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Re: milner to sign 23-24m next week

Postby Wooders » Tue May 18, 2010 8:41 am

hmm to replace our players who almost got us into the champions league with other players who almost got into the champions league doesn't strike me as moving forward - that said, he's had a hell of a season, that said, so did ireland last season.... not sure.
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Re: milner to sign 23-24m next week

Postby simon12 » Tue May 18, 2010 8:48 am

Svensational wrote:
gillie wrote:Any transfer dealings with current England squad players will have to be done sharpish because once they go to the training camp in Austria they are not allowed to enter negs untill after the World Cup.


Deal must be off then....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 686439.stm


I think his agent can pp his signature.
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Re: milner to sign 23-24m next week

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue May 18, 2010 8:53 am

A view from the irrepressable Jamie Redknapp:

The former Liverpool FC and Tottenham Hotspur star told the Daily Mail: “It's fascinating, but even though some Barclays Premier League heavyweights are knocking at his door, I'm not sure if we know his best position.”

“It seems that City would like to use him as a midfield runner - a powerhouse whose fitness will see him cover the whole pitch and bring more energy to their team. He can certainly run and, like Carlos Tevez, is not afraid of hard work.”

“I can see why City might want to sign him from Aston Villa and what he brings to their team.”

“He can fill a variety of positions but I'm not sure where he is most effective, or where he will eventually settle.”

“The cost of buying Milner is expensive, but you sign at least three players for the price of one. He can play wide and crosses with accuracy and pace, an inswinger or an outswinger. This always seemed his natural position.”

“He can play off the front, a role he will grow into with experience, like a Frank Lampard, or a Steven Gerrard, as a second striker, making full use of his range of powerful shooting and his movement. He can play in central midfield, a new position for him this season and one that has caught the eye, although I am unconvinced it is his best role.”

“City must like what they have seen this season, but if you look at his performances in the big games, teams have set about him in that midfield role in a flat four, where he has been asked to defend and protect his back line.”

“Villa lost 7-1 at Chelsea and Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas gave him a bit of a chasing at the Emirates. They are the games when you have to judge his merits as a top central midfielder. He can play there, I'm just not sure it is where you get the best out of him consistently.”

“You can see watching Milner that he has a passion for the game.”

“I hear he trains like a demon and will stay behind and work hard at improving. That can set an example to others in the team.”

“He is super fit and with his team ethic transmitting to others, he will be worth his weight in gold.”

“Worth £24million? Well, he is English and he is only 24.”

“He will score more goals as he learns that side of his game and he is a good, honest player. He is a box-to-box lionhearted midfielder, with a creative vision.”

“He keeps his head and controls his emotions and is a top modern footballer, who will improve with better players.”

“I can imagine Villa wanting to keep him, but sometimes an offer like this can be too good to refuse. He has developed into a better player under Martin O'Neill because £12m looked a lot of money when he signed from Newcastle two years ago.”

Although clearly a huge fan of Milner, Redknapp believes the figures being quoted again reflect the inflated prices of the current transfer market. The former Liverpool FC and England midfielder believes Manchester United’s Paul Scholes would have cost considerably more than Milner at the same age.

He said: “I can see why big clubs want him and the versatility he has to offer.”

“One question remains: How much would Paul Scholes have been worth if he was 10 years younger? I'm estimating upwards of £30m ... at least.”
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue May 18, 2010 8:59 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Beanieboy wrote:please city don't cock up big money on another brazilian, Why piss on talent like Ned and Micah and waste more than double what we would get for them on an unproven brazilian that looks like Elano


first of all, Ned already played himself out of the club with his performance on soccer AM. Second, Luiz plays on the left side of central defence or as leftback, so this has no affect on either of them. Third, he is not unproven nor does he look like Elano. Fourth, we are aiming for the top not the fucking seventh spot, that's why we need improvement. Fifth, just because we haven't had much luck with Brazilians, it doesn't mean all brazilians are cunts, they aren't. Sixth, you've never even seen him play have you?

But he does look like Elano, in fact they look like they came from the same womb; which obviously shoots down your whole argument!


haha

I meant as a player he looks square root of fuck all like Elano. Whether Elano's dad was their mailman doesn't interest me in the least.
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Re: milner to sign 23-24m next week

Postby Goaters 103 » Tue May 18, 2010 9:00 am

Can only presume the volcanic ash cloud has delayed Jamie's Thomas Cook package holiday flight, hence his ability to comment here. He's probably sat in a cramped departure lounge whilst Lousie trolls round WH Smith for a copy of hello.

How long will it be before he starts using his father's buzz phrase "blown out of the water" - we can only wonder.
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Goaters 103 » Tue May 18, 2010 9:02 am

Would love to wax lyrical on the merits of this guy but haven't seen him play once so wouldn't know him even if he was kicking a ball about in our back garden.

If he can trap a ball, pass it to a teammate and actually stick a half-decent cross over when required then he'll be an upgrade on Onouha and Richards.
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue May 18, 2010 9:11 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
saulman wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Beanieboy wrote:please city don't cock up big money on another brazilian, Why piss on talent like Ned and Micah and waste more than double what we would get for them on an unproven brazilian that looks like Elano


first of all, Ned already played himself out of the club with his performance on soccer AM. Second, Luiz plays on the left side of central defence or as leftback, so this has no affect on either of them. Third, he is not unproven nor does he look like Elano. Fourth, we are aiming for the top not the fucking seventh spot, that's why we need improvement. Fifth, just because we haven't had much luck with Brazilians, it doesn't mean all brazilians are cunts, they aren't. Sixth, you've never even seen him play have you?


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Let him have it, man.


Ned's obviously been told he's going & wouldn't be competing for the same position as this bloke anyway. I recon Ned is one of the players who City will have been using as a bargaining tool for some of their other PL targets at places like Villa/Everton.

I have a 'no Brazilians' policy though. Not because they're all cunts but because most of their footballers are. This bloke looks pretty good tbf & their defenders are used to playing behind preening, overrated, lazy, big headed ,wankers so usually earn every penny of their wages.



^^^spot on that mate, some of their top tier defenders, particularly fullbacks are and have been for many decades, amongst the best fullbacks in the world (certainly in an attacking sense), and have translated that form to Spanish and Italian teams seamlessly.

Not many have been tried in this country though, as we have more of a culture of defensive defenders, where supporting the attack is secondary. I think an attacking fullback in this type of mould would work well, provided the WHOLE team was setup to cover the deficiencies in defending and everyone completely understands their role.

The typical problem is that you parachute the odd brazilian primadonna forward into a PL side with a completely different work ethic and outlook on life, and it invariably goes tits up - as it has done for us on 3 occasions in the last year and a half
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Re: milner to sign 23-24m next week

Postby avoidconfusion » Tue May 18, 2010 9:32 am

Not worth 23-34m imho. Decent player but not worth that much .
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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby dikdik » Tue May 18, 2010 10:08 am

Although I like the lad I don't think he's the UPWARDS standard that we should be looking for. As has been said we should be recruiting mainly from teams who finished above us, not below.
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Re: David Luiz in talks with City

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue May 18, 2010 10:56 am

johnpb78 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
saulman wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Beanieboy wrote:please city don't cock up big money on another brazilian, Why piss on talent like Ned and Micah and waste more than double what we would get for them on an unproven brazilian that looks like Elano


first of all, Ned already played himself out of the club with his performance on soccer AM. Second, Luiz plays on the left side of central defence or as leftback, so this has no affect on either of them. Third, he is not unproven nor does he look like Elano. Fourth, we are aiming for the top not the fucking seventh spot, that's why we need improvement. Fifth, just because we haven't had much luck with Brazilians, it doesn't mean all brazilians are cunts, they aren't. Sixth, you've never even seen him play have you?


kepow, kepow, d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d,d

Let him have it, man.


Ned's obviously been told he's going & wouldn't be competing for the same position as this bloke anyway. I recon Ned is one of the players who City will have been using as a bargaining tool for some of their other PL targets at places like Villa/Everton.

I have a 'no Brazilians' policy though. Not because they're all cunts but because most of their footballers are. This bloke looks pretty good tbf & their defenders are used to playing behind preening, overrated, lazy, big headed ,wankers so usually earn every penny of their wages.



^^^spot on that mate, some of their top tier defenders, particularly fullbacks are and have been for many decades, amongst the best fullbacks in the world (certainly in an attacking sense), and have translated that form to Spanish and Italian teams seamlessly.

Not many have been tried in this country though, as we have more of a culture of defensive defenders, where supporting the attack is secondary. I think an attacking fullback in this type of mould would work well, provided the WHOLE team was setup to cover the deficiencies in defending and everyone completely understands their role.

The typical problem is that you parachute the odd brazilian primadonna forward into a PL side with a completely different work ethic and outlook on life, and it invariably goes tits up - as it has done for us on 3 occasions in the last year and a half


Even in a well organised team, these things can bite you on the arse, as the rags have found with Rafael & even Evra when he 1st started. Pearce did a real job on Evra hitting high balls at him. He learned though & that's the key. It's a steep learning curve in the prem. If everything goes right & we're lucky, the defence will gel & new signings will fit in but changing too much defensively is a gamble that cost Hughes his job.
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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby Manx Blue » Tue May 18, 2010 11:13 am

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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby irblinx » Tue May 18, 2010 1:00 pm

Bellamy's speech at the awards night smacks of farewell, I'd say he's been told he can go Linky
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Postby ant london » Tue May 18, 2010 1:07 pm

irblinx wrote:Bellamy's speech at the awards night smacks of farewell, I'd say he's been told he can go Linky



exactly my thoughts upon watching that

I really hope not but I fear that you are 100% right
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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby Beeks » Tue May 18, 2010 1:15 pm

ant london wrote:
irblinx wrote:Bellamy's speech at the awards night smacks of farewell, I'd say he's been told he can go Linky



exactly my thoughts upon watching that

I really hope not but I fear that you are 100% right


Fucks sake...I just don't see the logic in selling him to be fair

He's exactly what you need when your backs against the wall and who do you think he'll go to?

Our direct rivals that's who...and you know damn well he'd come back to haunt us

Bellers has got 2 seasons left at most...can't Bobby just try to get along with him until then?!?!
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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby Blue Blood » Tue May 18, 2010 1:23 pm

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:
ant london wrote:
irblinx wrote:Bellamy's speech at the awards night smacks of farewell, I'd say he's been told he can go Linky



exactly my thoughts upon watching that

I really hope not but I fear that you are 100% right


Fucks sake...I just don't see the logic in selling him to be fair

He's exactly what you need when your backs against the wall and who do you think he'll go to?

Our direct rivals that's who...and you know damn well he'd come back to haunt us

Bellers has got 2 seasons left at most...can't Bobby just try to get along with him until then?!?!


I think if Bellers goes it'll be him who instigates it. Not bobby.

Bellers whenever i've heard him talk always seems keen to remind people he's only got 1 or 2 seasons left. I half get the feeling he himself is beginning to question whether he's up to another season like the last.

Bellers has this club at heart, i don't think he'd be happy sitting on the bench picking up a pay check and not being able to contribute like he wants.
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Re: ***Transfer Rumours Thread*** [ALL RUMOUR TOPICS MERGED]

Postby Goaters 103 » Tue May 18, 2010 1:37 pm

Much as we like and appreciate Bellers contribution this season, the consistent "Bellamy isn't happy" and "Bellamy clashes with x/y/z" is getting rather tedious.

Talented player though he is, if you look at his career as a whole 3 things stand out:
1) He's injured rather often
2) He's moved around a lot from team to team (Norwich, Coventry, Newcastle, Celtic, Blackburn, Liverpool, West Ham, City etc)
3) He's never won a bloody carrott

He's been here for 18 months now so that probably feels like a lifetime for him. If he goes then good luck, but contrary to some I actually think we will somehow survive without him as well.
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Postby Beeks » Tue May 18, 2010 1:45 pm

Goaters 103 wrote:Much as we like and appreciate Bellers contribution this season, the consistent "Bellamy isn't happy" and "Bellamy clashes with x/y/z" is getting rather tedious.

Talented player though he is, if you look at his career as a whole 3 things stand out:
1) He's injured rather often
2) He's moved around a lot from team to team (Norwich, Coventry, Newcastle, Celtic, Blackburn, Liverpool, West Ham, City etc)
3) He's never won a bloody carrott

He's been here for 18 months now so that probably feels like a lifetime for him. If he goes then good luck, but contrary to some I actually think we will somehow survive without him as well.


Tevez aside he was arguably the best player in a City shirt last season...there is obviously some beef between him and Bobby or he would be staying...he came here to win more than a carrot
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