Too much has changed.................

[crossan]

saw this on bluemoon, thought crossan would enjoy:

http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=253917

Incorrect..............my favorites are: Newcastle 3 City 4, Leicester City 0 City 1,Gornick 1 City 2,City 2 West brom 1, Newcastle 1 City 2.

[crossan]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

[Ted Hughes]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

SWP, Richards, Boyata, Ibrahim, Cunningham, Vidal, Guidetti, Mee, Logan off the top of my head.

[crossan]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

SWP, Richards, Boyata, Ibrahim, Cunningham, Vidal, Guidetti, Mee, Logan off the top of my head.

Not in the first team Ted,not in the first team.I do mean regular appearances.

[Ted Hughes]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

SWP, Richards, Boyata, Ibrahim, Cunningham, Vidal, Guidetti, Mee, Logan off the top of my head.

Not in the first team Ted,not in the first team.

SWP, Richards, Boyata & Ibrahim have even played in Europe & the rest were pretty much all in the 1st team v West Brom.

[blues-clues]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

Aaaahhh the politicians gambit....ignore the question and ask another

Ted has answered yours.

Now please answer mine!

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR POST?

[BobbyJ1956]

The purpose of Crossan's post is to express his feelings, as he's entitled to do like everyone else. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Supporters of his (our) generation do have mixed feelings about a lot of the modern world and when City win something I suspect we will all have our joy slightly tempered by the thought that we did it the modern way not the way it used to be. For some like Crossan it's more than slightly, for John68 it might be just a fleeting thought that gets swept away in the celebrations, but we old 'uns will all have it to some degree.

[Beefymcfc]

The club is just not the same as I remember it,most of the fans have become to take themselves far to seriously,you have lost your sense of humour.The club is overflowing with mercanaries who are being paid ridiculous sums of money and that is why the club is £120 odd million in debt, no one gives a dam and whilst I dearly wish success in the future to those fans who turn up week after week I cannot count myself as a fan of the club I followed home and away from being a kid in the early sixties,my club has had its heart ripped out and I really fear for the future after the owners get bored.

Nice Crossie mate. You've extrapalated everything the media and rags have been saying and put it into one neat paragraph. Well done pal ;-)

[Beefymcfc]

its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Why though?

Your opinion is not based on any facts. You dont go to games, your feelings are based on information you get through the media and from other people. You dont know how things are at the club, you only think you know.

So again why? What is the purpose of your post? Do you want other fans to agree with you to validate your opinion? Do you want them to change your mind by presenting different information?

Or are you just posting a sensationalist view point to create a reaction?......that sir, is the definition of a wind up merchant.

I have openly admitted in the past when I have deliberately started wind up posts but this my friend is not one of them.........
just out of curiosity how many 'home' grown players have played first team football this season?
in the good old days we had let me see..........Dowd,Pardoe,Oakes,Doyle,Connor,Young,Booth,Bowyer,Towers,Corrigan...........
That's one of my concerns about the way things are at the moment,they have either been loaned out or moved on.

From that I deduce that your other threads may not actually have been Wind-Ups, but turned later to cover up your own frustrations?

Sherlock's got no shit on me!

[Twobob]

You're letting the crap that is written and reported by us by the Rag media get to you mate, there is a change in football - it isn't just us.

Perhaps the only thing is we, as fans, are having to shift our attitudes from a club that everyone looked at and went "Awww Poor City, they must be so Loyal going through the pain they go through" to a club that people actually envy now and wish thiers was like ours. I actually think we struggle to accept that we're going to be successfull, we dont know how to handle that yet - but we'll have plenty of practice I hope.

But in true City style we'll allways be able to dip into doom, gloom and dispair several times along the way - for old times sake!

[Dubciteh]

Crossan. I know in the past i have been scathing of your posts on this subject, but i'll try and have a bit more empathy this time. The thing is though, as walmai points out the game itself has changed irrevocably, even from the time i started getting into footy in the mid/late '90s. You may feel totally disenchanted by the sums of money swilling about, or the wages players earn, or any one of hundreds of things that the prem era has brought and there's no faulting you in that; if it's how you feel it's how you feel.

The biggest change of all imo is something that has happened to every single area of life in the 21st century, and that is the internet and the 24/7 media coverage of every single little fucking detail of everything analysed, repeated, debated, repeated again ad infinitum. this is something we can never get away from ever again, and if that has fucked things up for you i'm genuinely sorry about it and gutted that another blue has come to this kind of pass.

For me though, City gives me a feeling like nothing elee in my life; walking up the steps to 211 into a full stadium to watch a game, giving it out to a pub full of plastics in Preston on sunday, sitting at my desk on a shite, boring day at an interminable job daydreaming about the next game, or who will play wide left, or just how fucking good big Vinnie has become.

At the end though, the club is still the club. Fans like me and you are the sons of fans who were the sons of fans who were the sons of fans and so on. We are the club, and nothing, no money, rich/skint owners, bullshitting journos, spoilt players or inept referees can destroy that.

Keep the faith mate.

this post didnt get enough credit, best post ive read on here in a while.

[Fish111]

THE CLUB HAS CHANGED........THANK FUCK FOR THAT!!! If you want a shitty little, no-hope club to support then i think Stockport County would appreciate your support. Ta-raa.

[crossan]

The purpose of Crossan's post is to express his feelings, as he's entitled to do like everyone else. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Supporters of his (our) generation do have mixed feelings about a lot of the modern world and when City win something I suspect we will all have our joy slightly tempered by the thought that we did it the modern way not the way it used to be. For some like Crossan it's more than slightly, for John68 it might be just a fleeting thought that gets swept away in the celebrations, but we old 'uns will all have it to some degree.

Thanks for your contribution 100% correct, you have put it in a more concise way than I did.

[crossan]

THE CLUB HAS CHANGED........THANK FUCK FOR THAT!!! If you want a shitty little, no-hope club to support then i think Stockport County would appreciate your support. Ta-raa.

No that would be really scrapeing the barrell and I could never,ever contemplate supporting any other club than Manchester City its them or nothing that is the only choice.

[sandman]

No this time its neither a wind up or anything like that,I really don't like the way things are going at Eastlands and I don't think I ever will

I have mulled all of the issues over and despite my love for Manchester City as it was I cannot bring myself to say that I support the club as it is now.

I am City til I die,
I am City til I die,
I know I am,I'm sure I am,
I am City til I die

We all miss the good old days from before Sky and the Premier League, and everyone dreams of a successful club on merit and not money, however it is football that has changed, not the club, City are rolling with the punches better then any club in the world.

You have either two options;

1) Don't follow football anymore - which includes not reading/posting about it.

2) Get behind the club and stop crying.

[crossan]

No this time its neither a wind up or anything like that,I really don't like the way things are going at Eastlands and I don't think I ever will

I have mulled all of the issues over and despite my love for Manchester City as it was I cannot bring myself to say that I support the club as it is now.

I am City til I die,
I am City til I die,
I know I am,I'm sure I am,
I am City til I die

We all miss the good old days from before Sky and the Premier League, and everyone dreams of a successful club on merit and not money, however it is football that has changed, not the club, City are rolling with the punches better then any club in the world.

You have either two options;

1) Don't follow football anymore - which includes not reading/posting about it.

2) Get behind the club and stop crying.

Shit you got me I will have to amend my signature;-)

[Bear60]

Please keep the faith Crossan, I am like you and can remember how it used to be, and sometimes I am not happy with the way football has gone, but things change mate and we have to change with it , I know some things are hard to accept but this is the same in all walks of life, I personally feel it would be such a shame for you to stop following the club you have loved all of your life.
I am going to keep the faith, I just dont think I could live without my beloved CITY.

[Goataldo]

I remember when it was all fields round here. And you could leave your doors open. Is it just me or do policemen these days all look about twelve?

[Lee_R]

You're right Crossan, too much has changed. For years (bar Bernstein) our club was miss-managed and dragged further and further down, ultimately even under Thaksin things got very very close to ultimate doom when we could'nt pay the wages. In turn this makes fans love their club even more, like when youre just about to split with a loved one and you realise you want to pull together and appreciate what you have and protect it. Thats how we have been with City for years and years just hanging on in there and keeping City close to our hearts. Now.. we have won the equivalent of the football lottery and that has enabled us to not only catch up but also move further forward than most clubs. That kind of takes away from us our need to protect our beloved City because rather than other clubs fans slag us off and laugh at us like we are used to, they know we are going places, they look at us with envious eyes and because we can just in a way sit back and smile it takes away some of the every day battle and drama. You've supported City for years so now its time to enjoy the imminent rewards.. just enjoy it and realise how lucky we are.

[Beefymcfc]

I remember when it was all fields round here. And you could leave your doors open. Is it just me or do policemen these days all look about twelve?

I can't believe the snow, it was like 12 foot deep when I was a nipper. Some people, they just don't know what they've got.