Too much has changed.................

[Beeks]

Those were the days...evel knievel and white dog shit...

[Kladze]

Two of my mates had rickets, one had polio, and they were fucking grateful.

[blues-clues]

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[Goataldo]

You could go to the pub with a farthing, get out of your mind on foaming nut brown ale, and still have change for a slap up meal for twelve from the pie shop, and pay for the omnibus home.

I would've too, if I wasn't always down the mine.

[patrickblue]

Being an old git myself, I can see where you're coming from Crossan, but as Walmai says it's not the club it's the game that's changed. I can't say that buying success is the way I would like to have gone, but in todays world there's no other way we would have become even moderately successful. The world in which Joe and Mal, or Cloughie and Taylor could coach an ordinary team to greatness has long gone. I suspect that is what you missing, and it aint never coming back.


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[wyted]

The heart of our club is the fanbase.

Owners, management, manager, coaching staff, players, and all the other people who make the club tick will come and will go on a constant basis.

Us fans - we're here for LIFE! CTID!


Once upon a time, I walked alone. You just had to look at me to see I had no dream in my heart and no love of my own. But, when I thought all hope had gone, there suddenly appeared before me - the only one my arms will hold. And I heard somebody whisper "please adore me", and when I looked, the moon had turned to gold!

Blue moon, now I'm no longer alone, without a dream in my heart, without a love of my own.

[The Man In Blue]

bleedin' whatney's red barrel...

[ruralblue]

Sorry Crossan we dont buy your monthly wind up any more.

WUM

As I said earlier its not a wind up,its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Well go and express them to some other sad, miserable fucker then!

Kladze, in all due respect, Crossan has come on here and posted it amongst some people he probably considers friends mate, the same friends who were here for him when he was going through some shit a couple of years ago, please the guy is a decent chap, please don't refer to him as a miserable old fucker. No need to abuse him mate!

Crossan

It's change mate, change! Nothing we can do about it and I am glad it's gone this way. Yes it would have been lovely to win a cup or title with the likes of Ireland, Micah, Swp, MJ and the like, but it was not nor would ever happen. To do so we needed the investment and to buy players and because we haven't won anything for 34 years we had to pay a premium and premium wages. Keep the faith like someone else has said, take heed of John's post. Get to the Townley, get blagged a ticket in the South Stand go enjoy the ,match day experience. You will soon see the club hasn't lost it's soul. Just invested in and subject to change. Hope your ok fella.

Rural x

[walmai]

Being an old git myself, I can see where you're coming from Crossan, but as Walmai says it's not the club it's the game that's changed. I can't say that buying success is the way I would like to have gone, but in todays world there's no other way we would have become even moderately successful. The world in which Joe and Mal, or Cloughie and Taylor could coach an ordinary team to greatness has long gone. I suspect that is what you missing, and it aint never coming back.

I read a subtext:

I thought Crossan was implying that the problem was that some support seems contingent on success. And that he found it a worry that disaffection would arise in a vocal sense, if [his team] weren't successful sufficiently quickly.

And, on that point, I fully agree. Recently taken over Birmingham look badly under-supported, despite a historically high finish and a fantastic unbeaten run. The wheels have finally and comprehensively fallen off at the JJB, sorry Dave Wanker, stadium. Away fans are travelling in fewer numbers apparently across the board.

There's more to it than just financial hardship for your bread and butter fan - as much as that admittedly plays a very big part. I genuinely believe that the actual fabric of the sport is fraying at the edges, as a consequence of wall-to-wall coverage of the sport, of Super Sunday (and the obvious fixture manipulation that arises to make that happen year in, year out), of announcing fixtures and then changing the date - after people have forked out for bargain rail tickets - to a Sunday at 1600 and of 'take your pick' other reasons too.

As I say, that's what I thought was being put across. I may have misinterpreted.

[spiv]

Be careful Walmai you are getting very close to your 1,000th post and you know you have to do a landmark (why blue) screach when you reach 1,000 posts :)

[gillie]

Being an old git myself, I can see where you're coming from Crossan, but as Walmai says it's not the club it's the game that's changed. I can't say that buying success is the way I would like to have gone, but in todays world there's no other way we would have become even moderately successful. The world in which Joe and Mal, or Cloughie and Taylor could coach an ordinary team to greatness has long gone. I suspect that is what you missing, and it aint never coming back.

I read a subtext:

I thought Crossan was implying that the problem was that some support seems contingent on success. And that he found it a worry that disaffection would arise in a vocal sense, if [his team] weren't successful sufficiently quickly.

And, on that point, I fully agree. Recently taken over Birmingham look badly under-supported, despite a historically high finish and a fantastic unbeaten run. The wheels have finally and comprehensively fallen off at the JJB, sorry Dave Wanker, stadium. Away fans are travelling in fewer numbers apparently across the board.

There's more to it than just financial hardship for your bread and butter fan - as much as that admittedly plays a very big part. I genuinely believe that the actual fabric of the sport is fraying at the edges, as a consequence of wall-to-wall coverage of the sport, of Super Sunday (and the obvious fixture manipulation that arises to make that happen year in, year out), of announcing fixtures and then changing the date - after people have forked out for bargain rail tickets - to a Sunday at 1600 and of 'take your pick' other reasons too.

As I say, that's what I thought was being put across. I may have misinterpreted.

Mate its just Crossan being a miserable old fart once again lol.

[Patrick]

Crossan has been an attention seeking miserable fucler for at least a decade on here. He will find any and every opportunity to create a negative position about our club, and has on occasion just made shit up to wind up fellow blues.

He claims to be depressive, no shit Sherlock, and seems to seek his therapy on here rather than going to the doctor.

Think of it as a kind of care in the community thing and try not to sound too patronising.

Doh

[Kladze]

Sorry Crossan we dont buy your monthly wind up any more.

WUM

As I said earlier its not a wind up,its just that I felt I had to express my feelings on the way things are at the club.

Well go and express them to some other sad, miserable fucker then!

Kladze, in all due respect, Crossan has come on here and posted it amongst some people he probably considers friends mate, the same friends who were here for him when he was going through some shit a couple of years ago, please the guy is a decent chap, please don't refer to him as a miserable old fucker. No need to abuse him mate!

Sorry, I wasn't even trying to imply he was a 'miserable old fucker' in general, just in terms of his attitude toward City.
I too remember the good old days, and I also have my reservations about how modern footbal is evolving, but I'm realistic enough to know that City have to live and die by the same 'business rules' as all the other clubs and that we just happen to be near or at the top of that particular food chain for the time being - so I'm determined to make the most of it, whereas Crossan seems to be taking the opposite path and is trying to drag the rest of us down there with him.

[Slim]

Crossan has been an attention seeking miserable fucler for at least a decade on here. He will find any and every opportunity to create a negative position about our club, and has on occasion just made shit up to wind up fellow blues.

He claims to be depressive, no shit Sherlock, and seems to seek his therapy on here rather than going to the doctor.

Think of it as a kind of care in the community thing and try not to sound too patronising.

Doh

crossan is like a familiar old blanket, if he wasn't moaning about something you'd really be concerned.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

No this time its neither a wind up or anything like that,I really don't like the way things are going at Eastlands and I don't think I ever will

I have mulled all of the issues over and despite my love for Manchester City as it was I cannot bring myself to say that I support the club as it is now.

I am City til I die,
I am City til I die,
I know I am,I'm sure I am,
I am City til I die

We all miss the good old days from before Sky and the Premier League, and everyone dreams of a successful club on merit and not money, however it is football that has changed, not the club, City are rolling with the punches better then any club in the world.

You have either two options;

1) Don't follow football anymore - which includes not reading/posting about it.

2) Get behind the club and stop crying.

That's the way it is. I miss the English football the way it was when I was kid but the game will never EVER be the same. That's just the way it is. I can understand people falling out of love with it but personally I love the game too much to ever fall out of love with it.

Those two are the options you really have Crossan my friend. The old days aren't coming back and there's no point waiting for for miracle to happen. In fact if anything it will get worse.

As far as City goes, I absolutely love the fact that we finally got our finger out and stopped living in the past and started playing the same game as everyone else. This is what makes Scousers and Rags moaning about their (admittedly shit) owners so laughable and talking about local ownership. That simply isn't going to happen IF they want to stay competitive. There are two ways to go. Either seek for local ownership and understand that at best that will lead into mid-table mediocrity for eternity, at worst plummet down the divisions. Or understand that they game is (unfortunately) based on money now and this will lead into foreign ownership. There are now Scouse or Mancunian mega-billionaire born and bred football fans waiting in shadows. That's just dream world. Those local people who have money and care about their local clubs have mostly had a go already and found out that only way to become millionaire in football is to start out as billionaire.

[marvin]

City have turned from a shambles to a football club owned by the very wealthy, but the hopes of the fans are still the same. So are the friendships

The Football League and the Premiership has always been run on commerical lines - with the biggest clubs dominating.

I don't know where Crossan is coming from. I spent most of my life being extremely frustrated about the incompetence of City's owners. They are just as much my club as they were in the 80s when no one was interested in City or football

I am extremely proud of the fans that kept our club alive in Div 3, and very pleased that they are getting their reward now.

[zuricity]

You soft bastard

[Im_Spartacus]

I don't give a fuck any more. Nothing we can do about it anyway

[Wonderwall]

City have turned from a shambles to a football club owned by the very wealthy, but the hopes of the fans are still the same. So are the friendships

The Football League and the Premiership has always been run on commerical lines - with the biggest clubs dominating.

I don't know where Crossan is coming from. I spent most of my life being extremely frustrated about the incompetence of City's owners. They are just as much my club as they were in the 80s when no one was interested in City or football

I am extremely proud of the fans that kept our club alive in Div 3, and very pleased that they are getting their reward now.

Leave crossan to himself and his self pity..... enough has been said on this thread in the way of aiding him to get his head out of his arse. If he doesnt, its his own fault! He will have missed the bus that we are all on to SILVERWARETOWN......

[Nijinsky]

The [strike]club[/strike] is just not the same...

...or is it just the game itself that is the problem?

A lot of your love for your club has been hope over expectation - almost a suspension of disbelief in favour of the thrill of seeing one of your players dash towards the terrace your stood on, ball at feet, options in sight...

If you're losing - or have lost? - that camaraderie you feel with your fellow fan, you begin to wonder why so much of your hard-earned or even your time is being devoured by what binds (bound) you together.

I've seen a lot of friends turn their backs on my team and seriously struggled to persuade myself to renew in the summer. As much as I appreciate that we post from different ends of the spectrum of expectation these days, I recognise the basis of the post that you have made.

Nothing good - even if that was support with minimal return - lasts forever.

Undoubtedly one of the best posters we have - and it's nice to have a neutral view. Agaian, top post!

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