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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Fish111 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:43 am

Marseille suing De Jong then are they? Good luck you frog-fucking, smelly twats. This will be an un-winnable case and they probably know that really.
The tackle never even warranted a free kick, the referee was 10 feet away, no reaction whatsoever from any Newcastle player, Newcastle assistant manager declares it a fair tackle, no reprimand or retrospective punishment from the governing body of English football (the FA) so what grounds are they going to sue from in reality?
Are they going to get Ronnie Irahni, the well-renowned English cricketer with 3 caps, from Talk Shit to stand up in court for them and impart his extensive knowledge of football to the court? Or maybe Andy Jacobs from the same dogshit radio station? A munich & a Chelski fan respectively, maybe they both have grounds to be jealous of City as their clubs stand to lose the most now that City have started to dine at the top table of English football and they cannot stand the thought of that so they keep this tirade of shite up against City at every opportunity.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:47 am

I would expect nothing will come of it and this is all gesturing.There is too much being made of it long after the event and if lawyers look very closely at what has happened since they will see a lot of "old pros" suggesting there wasn't much wrong with it and of course plenty,in hindsight, who think it was a really bad tackle.Given that scenario I can't see that it would be worth pursuing.

Having said that it wasn't a good tackle and Nigel plus many many others will have to be extra careful from now or else they will be redcarded very quickly. I don't expect Nigel to stop strong tackling but I do expect him to be more careful about the folow through part of the tackle which can and must be better controlled.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Goaters 103 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:57 am

Marseille are fishing for money from City, end of. They know we are wadded so are jumping on the bandwagon - good luck getting a case and watsing your money on a tackle that was seen by the ref, with no action taken and City can illustrate the type of which happens umpteen times every weekend in the Prem. Unfortunately we live in the sue me generation, where somebody has to be to blame.

Marseille taking legal action is quite funny, considering they are one of the most bent clubs in history, match-fixing their way through the 80's.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Mase » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:34 am

People still crying about this?
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Kladze » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:20 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I would expect nothing will come of it and this is all gesturing.There is too much being made of it long after the event and if lawyers look very closely at what has happened since they will see a lot of "old pros" suggesting there wasn't much wrong with it and of course plenty,in hindsight, who think it was a really bad tackle.Given that scenario I can't see that it would be worth pursuing.

Having said that it wasn't a good tackle and Nigel plus many many others will have to be extra careful from now or else they will be redcarded very quickly. I don't expect Nigel to stop strong tackling but I do expect him to be more careful about the folow through part of the tackle which can and must be better controlled.


Rare I disagree with a word you say Doug but this time I do.
De Jong couldn't have been expected to be in total control of his trailing leg in those weather and pitch conditions.
The only alternative then is not to make a challenge at all.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Wooders » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:26 am

I also think there is a problem with players being unwilling to be seen as "divers" - especially foreign players new to the premiership
Ben Arfa did absolutely nothing help himself in the tackle, possibly because he was fearful of recieving a yellow for leaping out of the tackle ?
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:22 pm

Kladze wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I would expect nothing will come of it and this is all gesturing.There is too much being made of it long after the event and if lawyers look very closely at what has happened since they will see a lot of "old pros" suggesting there wasn't much wrong with it and of course plenty,in hindsight, who think it was a really bad tackle.Given that scenario I can't see that it would be worth pursuing.

Having said that it wasn't a good tackle and Nigel plus many many others will have to be extra careful from now or else they will be redcarded very quickly. I don't expect Nigel to stop strong tackling but I do expect him to be more careful about the folow through part of the tackle which can and must be better controlled.


Rare I disagree with a word you say Doug but this time I do.
De Jong couldn't have been expected to be in total control of his trailing leg in those weather and pitch conditions.
The only alternative then is not to make a challenge at all.


I was thinking the same thing...you either go in for the tackle or you dont.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby brite blu sky » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:44 pm

In reference to what difference all this furore will make in the future, i think there is one massive difference from the way Referees will have seen this incident and the baying press. I cant think for a minute that refs would be influenced by what most if not all of them will have seen as a legit tackle. The maximium that may happen is they look a bit more intently at deJong's tackles.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby CityFanFromRome » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:00 pm

brite blu sky wrote:In reference to what difference all this furore will make in the future, i think there is one massive difference from the way Referees will have seen this incident and the baying press. I cant think for a minute that refs would be influenced by what most if not all of them will have seen as a legit tackle. The maximium that may happen is they look a bit more intently at deJong's tackles.

Which may lead to them giving him a yellow when before they would have just warned him, then giving him another yellow for another tackle, thus sending him off, or giving him a straight red for a foul they would have only given him a yellow for before this mad witch hunt was created.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby brite blu sky » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:08 pm

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brite blu sky wrote:In reference to what difference all this furore will make in the future, i think there is one massive difference from the way Referees will have seen this incident and the baying press. I cant think for a minute that refs would be influenced by what most if not all of them will have seen as a legit tackle. The maximium that may happen is they look a bit more intently at deJong's tackles.

Which may lead to them giving him a yellow when before they would have just warned him, then giving him another yellow for another tackle, thus sending him off, or giving him a straight red for a foul they would have only given him a yellow for before this mad witch hunt was created.


I disagree, while being careful to look a bit more closely doesn't translate into cards. deJong is strong but not dirty. My point if anything here is that referees will not be influenced by the press witch hunt, on the contrary they are more inclined to see there was nothing wrong with the challenge and therefore see the witch hunt as just another example of what they have to put up with week in week out. In effect what im saying here is that refs will have probably sided with deJong and therefore not have any negativity towards him.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:47 pm

Kladze wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I would expect nothing will come of it and this is all gesturing.There is too much being made of it long after the event and if lawyers look very closely at what has happened since they will see a lot of "old pros" suggesting there wasn't much wrong with it and of course plenty,in hindsight, who think it was a really bad tackle.Given that scenario I can't see that it would be worth pursuing.

Having said that it wasn't a good tackle and Nigel plus many many others will have to be extra careful from now or else they will be redcarded very quickly. I don't expect Nigel to stop strong tackling but I do expect him to be more careful about the folow through part of the tackle which can and must be better controlled.


Rare I disagree with a word you say Doug but this time I do.
De Jong couldn't have been expected to be in total control of his trailing leg in those weather and pitch conditions.
The only alternative then is not to make a challenge at all.


Just an opinion but I have no doubt that the follow through part of tackles is going to get punished much harder than before as a result of that tackle.There was one earlier in the season ( or was it last year) by Ridgewell on Walcott that I thought was a bad one and it got mixed opinion but largely because Walcott survived it ok.
I actually think Nigel is a good strong tackler and he doesn't always have the follow through take the man out included in it.Thus it doesnt in any way mean no challenges at all ,that's just going OTT the other way.I recall the tackle from Barry the other week on Ivanovic.That was a strong as they come and his full body strength was in it but it was also very fair.It can be done by staying on your feet.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Fish111 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:30 pm

Cue a flurry of red cards next weekend and i'm having a tenner on NDJ getting one as well. He won't and shouldn't change his style but referees being wannabe superstars nowadays will want to be the first man to send him packing.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby bluej » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:12 pm

Wooders wrote:I also think there is a problem with players being unwilling to be seen as "divers" - especially foreign players new to the premiership
Ben Arfa did absolutely nothing help himself in the tackle, possibly because he was fearful of recieving a yellow for leaping out of the tackle ?


Good point that, how many times have we seen players booked for 'simulation' when they have got out of the way of a challenge, and although they haven't appealed for anything, they still get booked.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Not sure if ive missed it but has there been a response from the F.A to newcastle yet?
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:29 pm

bluej wrote:
Wooders wrote:I also think there is a problem with players being unwilling to be seen as "divers" - especially foreign players new to the premiership
Ben Arfa did absolutely nothing help himself in the tackle, possibly because he was fearful of recieving a yellow for leaping out of the tackle ?


Good point that, how many times have we seen players booked for 'simulation' when they have got out of the way of a challenge, and although they haven't appealed for anything, they still get booked.

If you look at it closely you'll notice that he is actually fighting with Tevez to get to the ball that leaves him off balance and forces him into that position, being totally off balance and unable to respond/skip the challenge that most attacking players are used to.

And, for what it's worth, I feel that's why Carlos lost it in the dressing room with Mancio; he's got heart that lad has.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:46 pm

I just think Ben Arfa had no fucking clue how to deal with a tackle. Just watched Brazil v Ukraine & there were about 5 or 6 tackles in that game which would have broken Ben Arfa's leg under the same circumstances. At least two were absolute horror tackles tbf which could have broken bones quite easily but other less dangerous looking ones would be equally harmful if the player on the end of them had his feet planted like Ben Arfa did.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby The Man In Blue » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:45 pm

BlueMoonAwoken wrote:Not sure if ive missed it but has there been a response from the F.A to newcastle yet?


no action.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ackle.html
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:42 am

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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:43 am

SHUT YOUR FUCKING BIG FAT MOUTH WRIGHT YOU PRICK.

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SO it seems Nigel de Jong will be hauled into the dock over his disgraceful challenge on Hatem Ben Arfa after all.

The Manchester City midfielder might have believed he had escaped punishment for the disgusting tackle that left Newcastle's on-loan winger with a broken leg.

The FA, cowering behind tons of UEFA and FIFA bureaucracy, insisted they were powerless to act because referee Martin Atkinson admitted he saw the shocking incident in the Premier League clash at Eastlands the Sunday before last - but had decided not to yellow or red-card De Jong.

The Dutchman must have privately breathed a huge sigh of relief, believing he had got away with his appalling challenge.

But he or nobody else banked on Ben Arfa's parent club Marseille taking the matter into their own hands.

I am behind Marseille taking legal action. I do not really want to see the game we all love being dragged through the courts.

But if football cannot sort out its own problems, then I don't really see what alternative there is.

We have seen so many wild tackles go unpunished in recent seasons.

The game is now too big for those in charge of it to deem an incident beyond reproach just because it was not seen by three blokes with two flags and a whistle between them.

This way of working no longer does football justice. Neither is it fair on the clubs, the officials, the fans or the players, who need protection with livelihoods at stake.

If a player makes an over-the-top challenge then, regardless of what punishment he has received from the referee during the match, he should be punished afterwards accordingly.

De Jong will certainly need a good lawyer. I would certainly not be able to defend him.

He has gone over the ball in the World Cup and the Premier League and now is the time to act. Some people say I am a hypocrite, claiming I went OTT to do my old foe Peter Schmeichel in a match between my Arsenal and Manchester United in 1997.

That was different. I maintain things had been said.

And the bottom line is, I never set out to injure the keeper. I just wanted to let him know I was there.

I could have done his standing leg, or ankle, but I didn't.

I went for the ball. He played the rest of the match.

Too many good players have been left sitting on the sidelines, thanks to tackles like De Jong's.

If this court case means that will be eradicated from the game then it can only be a good thing.
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Re: De Jong tackle.

Postby ronk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:54 am

"That was different. I maintain things had been said"

Oh that's alright then...

de Jong is a disgrace because he was trying to make a tackle, but it's okay to make a bad challenge because it's personal. I don't know what planet he lives on but I'm not sure it's this one. Proper room temperature IQ stuff.

de Jong should be talking to Bellamy's legal team and picking which small country he's going to save with the settlements.
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