Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[The Foggy Blue]

I'm pissed off that this thread exists. Managers need to stick around before a club can progress (unless of course the core of a team/squad already exits a la Chelsea).

Mancini needs to stay or City can write this season off.

Has anyone actually called for the Managers head or are people debating his tactics and substutions?

From original Original Dub post:

I'd like him to leave soon IF this brand of football continues.

Sowing seeds of doubt.

It's a results business and I personally couldn't give two shits about our "brand" of football so long as we win.

Now't wrong with that statement Foggy, OD is simply stating his frustration at the way Mancini sets up the team to play. That then leads to some healthy debate which is still going on now.

Or, are you telling me the manager is beyond reproach and you believe everything he is doing is right?

No, not at all. I just hate it when supporters press the panic button so early in a season. I know what you're saying re the fact that no one here is ACTUALLY calling for his head, but you have to admit, the tone of the thread does seem a bit Mancini-outish...

My own opinion anyway, is that it's a always best for a club to have stability and to stay with a manager long-term. I'm convinced that if City do that, everything will eventually fall in to place.

Appointing a new manager every 18 months is never going to bring us success. It hasn't so far anyway.

EDIT: In other words - forget about our "brand of football" in the short-term and instead lets just focus on getting solid.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm pissed off that this thread exists. Managers need to stick around before a club can progress (unless of course the core of a team/squad already exits a la Chelsea).

Mancini needs to stay or City can write this season off.

Has anyone actually called for the Managers head or are people debating his tactics and substutions?

From original Original Dub post:

I'd like him to leave soon IF this brand of football continues.

Sowing seeds of doubt.

It's a results business and I personally couldn't give two shits about our "brand" of football so long as we win.

Now't wrong with that statement Foggy, OD is simply stating his frustration at the way Mancini sets up the team to play. That then leads to some healthy debate which is still going on now.

Or, are you telling me the manager is beyond reproach and you believe everything he is doing is right?

No, not at all. I just hate it when supporters press the panic button so early in a season. I know what you're saying re the fact that no one here is ACTUALLY calling for his head, but you have to admit, the tone of the thread does seem a bit Mancini-outish...

My own opinion anyway, is that it's a always best for a club to have stability and to stay with a manager long-term. I'm convinced that if City do that, everything will eventually fall in to place.

Appointing a new manager every 18 months is never going to bring us success. It hasn't so far anyway.

Agreed. Mancini now needs to kick-on and leave us with no cause to have these debates. But, if things don't, even over a relatively short time, I can see more and more people beginning to question his stewardship. At the moment the press are concentrating on destabilising us in other ways, but a few more bad results will give them cause to start sharpening their knives.

[brite blu sky]

Im with the Sun.. fucl it!

He and the players should be told he is out just before kick-off at the Derby.

The club has to maintain standards and keep to its doctrine.

[john68]

Im with the Sun.. fucl it!

He and the players should be told he is out just before kick-off at the Derby.

The club has to maintain standards and keep to its doctrine.

Don't you think that half time during the derby will create more media impact?
(As long as everyone knows about it 1st...without anyone letting on to mancini)

[brite blu sky]

Im with the Sun.. fucl it!

He and the players should be told he is out just before kick-off at the Derby.

The club has to maintain standards and keep to its doctrine.

Don't you think that half time during the derby will create more media impact?
(As long as everyone knows about it 1st...without anyone letting on to mancini)

ahh.. i defer to the Master. grand bow

You've got a bit too much of a natural ability in this kind of thing it seems ;)

[Slim]

Im with the Sun.. fucl it!

He and the players should be told he is out just before kick-off at the Derby.

The club has to maintain standards and keep to its doctrine.

Don't you think that half time during the derby will create more media impact?
(As long as everyone knows about it 1st...without anyone letting on to mancini)

I am sure we all had our opinions on Hughes and seemingly even moreso now on Mancini but I don't think anyone can debate that was probably the shittiest treatment of a City manager for many years. Disrespectful and deceitful, it was that sort of stunt that makes everyone think Cook is a slimy snake who has his fangs sunk too deep in the heart of our beloved club.

[Original Dub]

I'm pissed off that this thread exists. Managers need to stick around before a club can progress (unless of course the core of a team/squad already exits a la Chelsea).

Mancini needs to stay or City can write this season off.

Has anyone actually called for the Managers head or are people debating his tactics and substutions?

From original Original Dub post:

I'd like him to leave soon IF this brand of football continues.

Sowing seeds of doubt.

It's a results business and I personally couldn't give two shits about our "brand" of football so long as we win.

Well then I suppose its safe to say you follow football for the results first and foremost.

I follow it for entertainment first and foremost. The "art" of it if you like.

Neither is right or wrong, but please feel free to base any personal opinion I have from here on in based on the above fact. I can take boring wins because, like life, not every day is beautiful. However, everyday I'll TRY and make it as good as it can be... and I'd like my football team to do the same...

Oh, and no panic button being pressed - I just don't want this style of play to continue. MAybe it'll slowly change and we'll see signs of it. If so, great, if not I'll want someone who will play like I want us to play.

Its pretty simple.

[john68]

On the face of it Ronan, I would agree that the quality of entertainment is uppermost as a priority.....BUT......

How many times have I walked out of the ground after seeing some entertaining football by the Blues...having been beaten. Sorry Ronan but that didn't feel good. Ideally we all want a winning side who does so in the mould of Real Madrid of the 60s or even ouer own team as formed by Big mal, with its lack of fear coupled with the cavalier attitude...but at our present stage, that is being a little too idealistic.

The reality for most of us is we want trophies. we have waited too long, we have endured the taunts of rags and watched their successes and a trophy soon will take a whole family of monkeys from our backs.

Though i agree that we seem to presently set up in a negative mode, we are at least attempting to play the ball on the ground. I serioyusly believe that when he feels he has the right calibre of player available, Mancini will switch to a more attacking formation and allow us to break free of our self imposed straitjacket.

[Lev Bronstein]

I may well be in a minority of one on this, but I think that the idea of "entertainment" needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I enjoy football because despite all the hype, celebrity culture and 24/7 with the latest fad - which only lasts long enough for the next fad to emerge - underneath it all it's sport. The players I watch are at a stratospherically higher level than the game I used to play (badly) and enjoy. And yet it's fundamentally the same game. We've all been in games where both sides were even, or the defences battled heroically that ended up 0-0. I enjoyed playing in those games.

About a year ago when it looked like France, Portugal and Argentina might not qualify for the World Cup, a correspondent on 5live was going on about how it would be a tragedy if Henry, Ronaldo and Messi might not be in South Africa. I was spitting feathers at the radio. As far as I was concerned if those teams didn't get the points, they didn't deserve to be there, and such attitudes undermine football as a sport. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you might as well have a jury picking finalists on artistic merit.

Some point to last years derby at OT as being a great game of football. Well I didn't think so. It was exciting and, yes, entertaining. But for me, there were too many basic errors, from both sides, for it to be considered a great game.

I don't mind Bobby Manc's style of play - as long as we play competently. Passing the ball well, defending well and controlling the game. When we stop doing that I'm unhappy.

The quality of entertainment, whatever that is, may well be a priority, but the quality of football is a higher one.

[Burt]

I may well be in a minority of one on this, but I think that the idea of "entertainment" needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I enjoy football because despite all the hype, celebrity culture and 24/7 with the latest fad - which only lasts long enough for the next fad to emerge - underneath it all it's sport. The players I watch are at a stratospherically higher level than the game I used to play (badly) and enjoy. And yet it's fundamentally the same game. We've all been in games where both sides were even, or the defences battled heroically that ended up 0-0. I enjoyed playing in those games.

About a year ago when it looked like France, Portugal and Argentina might not qualify for the World Cup, a correspondent on 5live was going on about how it would be a tragedy if Henry, Ronaldo and Messi might not be in South Africa. I was spitting feathers at the radio. As far as I was concerned if those teams didn't get the points, they didn't deserve to be there, and such attitudes undermine football as a sport. Taken to it's logical conclusion, you might as well have a jury picking finalists on artistic merit.

Some point to last years derby at OT as being a great game of football. Well I didn't think so. It was exciting and, yes, entertaining. But for me, there were too many basic errors, from both sides, for it to be considered a great game.

I don't mind Bobby Manc's style of play - as long as we play competently. Passing the ball well, defending well and controlling the game. When we stop doing that I'm unhappy.

The quality of entertainment, whatever that is, may well be a priority, but the quality of football is a higher one.

That's a decent comment in my humble oppinion Lev fella and pretty difficult to argue against by us City fans.

[brite blu sky]

This thread has taken an interesting turn. Im thinking that it is worth challenging the negative football belief.. it could be just as much that we simply haven't yet got in our stride. The main issue in my analysis of us say looking cautious instead of entertaining is basically the speed of turning around and moving forward.. it is still just slow. That could be as much to do with not being fluid yet as much as it could be the players or managers mindset. Get some speed in there and suddenly we will be more dynamic and more entertaining. having written that im now thinking that the great bulk of our players are capable of attacking and attractive football, so im even more inclined to think it is just a matter of getting it together until it is second nature.

[BobKowalski]

This thread has taken an interesting turn. Im thinking that it is worth challenging the negative football belief.. it could be just as much that we simply haven't yet got in our stride. The main issue in my analysis of us say looking cautious instead of entertaining is basically the speed of turning around and moving forward.. it is still just slow. That could be as much to do with not being fluid yet as much as it could be the players or managers mindset. Get some speed in there and suddenly we will be more dynamic and more entertaining. having written that im now thinking that the great bulk of our players are capable of attacking and attractive football, so im even more inclined to think it is just a matter of getting it together until it is second nature.

I always thought that the negative football charge was and is an irrelevant argument. Whether it was under Hughes or under Mancini how we played football with a new team was secondary to the one thing we have to do above all else and that is win a bloody trophy. Its a 34 year old, 2 ton gorilla on our backs that needs shifting and frankly I don't care how we do it.

When we do shift it and winning trophies is suddenly not a novel experience and the team is bedded in for a season or two then yes I will be expecting more in the way of attractive football but I will still want it to be winning football. Equally I don't equate attractive to pump it forward and lots of 4-3 thrillers. I want controlled, measured, incisive passing football allied to a steely defence that doesn't take any shit. Forging this was always going to take time. All we have done so far is buy the necessary tools to create this. Hammering a winning mentality into the DNA of the club and creating a disciplined working environment is a monumental task. Hughes identified this at the start of this reign and whilst you can argue the success or otherwise of his attempts to create it no one can argue that he wasn't right in his prognosis.

[Tokyo Blue]

Just about everyone here (including me) has been crying out for Bobby to lose a midfielder and put in another forward. He does this and we lose in quite limp fashion to joint bottom of the table. Perhaps we are wrong, eh?

Mancini will, I think, get it right eventually. I can see enough of what he is trying to do to buy into it but like any other manager he needs three full seasons minimum.

[Beefymcfc]

The quality of entertainment, whatever that is, may well be a priority, but the quality of football is a higher one.

Nice post mate but the reality is we ain't seeing quality entertainment or quality football. Entertainment isn't essential for me but winning games in a decent manner is, and I'm afraid I haven't seen much of this.

I know, I know, Rome wasn't built in a day/it takes time/the players need to gel etc, etc, etc, but I would be nice to see it sooner rather than later. He's got another 3 league games to prove he can start to pull it together, otherwise I'm taking my ball home.

[john68]

Beefers mate....3 bloody games in NOT anywhere near enough time to assess this present squad, work out where the weaknesses lie and then put it all right. Only just above you post we have Tokyo suggesting 3 seasons. I think we will know before that and I don't think the club would be prepared to give Mancini that long to develop the squad without some form of success but Tokyo is right to look at a longer picture.
Have we got the bottle and nerve to hold out?
Have the club got the bottle and nerve to ignore a bloodthirsty media?

[Beefymcfc]

Beefers mate....3 bloody games in NOT anywhere near enough time to assess this present squad, work out where the weaknesses lie and then put it all right. Only just above you post we have Tokyo suggesting 3 seasons. I think we will know before that and I don't think the club would be prepared to give Mancini that long to develop the squad without some form of success but Tokyo is right to look at a longer picture.
Have we got the bottle and nerve to hold out?
Have the club got the bottle and nerve to ignore a bloodthirsty media?

But hasn't he already had a season; nearly?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Your getting found out you Italian twat!!!

[Crossie]

Good manager or not, the right man or not,

He's clearly got a squad of players who arent listening to him anymore, nor are they playing for him or putting in 100%.

I'm not saying the exact words, but time is running out very quickly.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Mancini is embarrassing us all....Im sick of it to be honest, his team selections are questionable, he leaves Vierira on the pitch for 94 mins???'wtf????

Im beginning to think the guys a fake.

[Swales4ever]

Your getting found out you Italian twat!!!

For the second time, I must say You are a racist bastard.