Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[The Man In Blue]

It seems a lot of you are missing Ted's points.

People speak as if we are some relentless, inexorable machine grinding out 1-0 victories in every game on our unstoppable march to silverware/the CL.

This is not true. Sometime we fit this description, but more often than not we fuck it up and look limp, bereft of ideas and somewhat uninterested. This is not to say Mancini will not get it right, and maybe even get it right soon, it is just that right he is still making mistakes and so are the team.

[saulman]

It seems a lot of you are missing Ted's points.

People speak as if we are some relentless, inexorable machine grinding out 1-0 victories in every game on our unstoppable march to silverware/the CL.

This is not true. Sometime we fit this description, but more often than not we fuck it up and look limp, bereft of ideas and somewhat uninterested. This is not to say Mancini will not get it right, and maybe even get it right soon, it is just that right he is still making mistakes and so are the team.

.......and yet, despite all these defeats and poor performances.....we are still 4 points clear of 5th place.

There are far more positives to be taken from this seaon than there are negatives. Imagine when Mancini gets the blend he's looking for.

[sandman]

Chelsea defended after being taken over scoring +40 in 06/07, +39 in 07/08, +44 in 08/09, last season they scored almost +30 more (+71) and this season they are forecasted to do it again - +23 in 12 (so over 38 that would work out at +73)

That is what I honestly believe will happen here, yes we are defending more than they did, but we still need to as we have such a new line up that need time to gel, the goals will come and when they do you will all find something else to cry about.

[Ted Hughes]

You could be right. We could become a very good attacking team, playing 3 up front & scoring lots of goals. That wouldn't surprise me as Bob has already tried it several times. He's tried lots of things. Some have worked well, some have failed miserably. What they haven't been under any circumstances is a well oiled tactical master plan to win each game 1-0, like the utter bollox people have said on here that gets trawled out every time we're shit.

We've had a mix & match of different tactical experiments often changing game by game, not a fucking divine plan. Wednesday was one, it was crap, today will probably be another & we'll find out if it's brilliant, crap or in between. All of you who think Mancini's been working to one plan should phone up Mickey Quinn, he'll agree but unfortunately he doesn't like it. You can discuss the imaginary plan with him & argue the toss whilst the rest of us discuss the actual team & formation on the pitch which changes almost every game.

[saulman]

You could be right. We could become a very good attacking team, playing 3 up front & scoring lots of goals. That wouldn't surprise me as Bob has already tried it several times. He's tried lots of things. Some have worked well, some have failed miserably. What they haven't been under any circumstances is a well oiled tactical master plan to win each game 1-0, like the utter bollox people have said on here that gets trawled out every time we're shit.

We've had a mix & match of different tactical experiments often changing game by game, not a fucking divine plan. Wednesday was one, it was crap, today will probably be another & we'll find out if it's brilliant, crap or in between. All of you who think Mancini's been working to one plan should phone up Mickey Quinn, he'll agree but unfortunately he doesn't like it. You can discuss the imaginary plan with him & argue the toss whilst the rest of us discuss the actual team & formation on the pitch which changes almost every game.

That's the beauty of Mancinis tactics IMO. He has a plan A, B, C & D for each game and with the squad we've got, he'll have endless possibilities of formation before the game. The fact that he employs these different strategies as circumstances dictate (opposition, injuries, other fixtures, etc) stands him out from most other managers in the Prem.

Can anyone guess the team/formation he'll play today? Does anyone think he'll be going for a 0-0 draw to Birmingham at home? I doubt it on both counts. We'll go into that game to win, because beating teams like Birmingham at home is something that you need to do to finish 4th. He know this. We know this. I have total confidence that's what we'll set out to do.

Whether we close the game off at 1-0 is another matter. I suspect this depends on the opposition, but that's another debate.

[Original Dub]

You could be right. We could become a very good attacking team, playing 3 up front & scoring lots of goals. That wouldn't surprise me as Bob has already tried it several times. He's tried lots of things. Some have worked well, some have failed miserably. What they haven't been under any circumstances is a well oiled tactical master plan to win each game 1-0, like the utter bollox people have said on here that gets trawled out every time we're shit.

We've had a mix & match of different tactical experiments often changing game by game, not a fucking divine plan. Wednesday was one, it was crap, today will probably be another & we'll find out if it's brilliant, crap or in between. All of you who think Mancini's been working to one plan should phone up Mickey Quinn, he'll agree but unfortunately he doesn't like it. You can discuss the imaginary plan with him & argue the toss whilst the rest of us discuss the actual team & formation on the pitch which changes almost every game.

This is exactly it. We should be allowed to dicuss the performance of the manager after each game without being called hysterical or knee-jerk and also without the usual plonkers intimating agendas.

It also gets a little bit annoying when the same people start going on about winning everything 1-0 and the likes of myself not being happy with it. When the fuck did we start winning everything 1-0?! As Ted said, sometimes Mancini gets it bang on, sometimes we're lucky and we scrape by using the wrong plan and sometimes he gets it completely wrong and we fuck up big time.

It would be nice for some to acknowledge this without trying to tell the rest of the class that we're lunatics or ungrateful or whatever other bollox that's been spouted in this thread.

Also, someone said they find watching our defenders get the ball really entertaining or as entertaining as Silva and Tevez scoring? Fantastic, I wish I was like that because I'd probably enjoy our football more. Unfortunately I'm not. I like attacking football and I like when our manager sends out his team to win every game.

So there you have it, I'm not a lunatic and I don't need to get my head checked. I just want to be able to discuss our manager's performance match by match without being lambasted by those who pretend everything is completely rosey every week and those who believe the hundreds of reports on Manchester City being a boring team to watch are a conspiracy against the club.

[brite blu sky]

It seems a lot of you are missing Ted's points.

People speak as if we are some relentless, inexorable machine grinding out 1-0 victories in every game on our unstoppable march to silverware/the CL.

This is not true. Sometime we fit this description, but more often than not we fuck it up and look limp, bereft of ideas and somewhat uninterested. This is not to say Mancini will not get it right, and maybe even get it right soon, it is just that right he is still making mistakes and so are the team.

Perhaps some who are arguing with Ted are ignoring his point rather than missing it. Im not sure many are suggesting we have a plan to get 1-0's every game or that we are doing that.

Ted Hughes wrote:
Well it's doing my head in. I actually like the Italian git quite a lot & have just as many good things as bad things to say about him but we have a fantastic squad now & we should be more or less where we are, it's not some kind of miracle that can only be achieved by some fantastic tactical revolution that we're all to thick to understand. The miracle will be what happens when it comes together, not what happens now, which is very up & down. Wed was a definite down. Today may be much different. If it is I'll be praising him for it. If he plays a bunch of kids in the back 4 & we get beat , I'll be slagging him off. Someone then would tell me a good reason for him doing it.

the blue bit sums up what i am arguing with and it is what is colouring the whole of Ted's arguments at the moment. It isn't that Ted isn't right about the various tactical, player changes that have been spurious at best, he is spot on imo on the whole.

The argument if there is one is about what we should be expecting at this point with Mancini, there are big differences of opinion there and i suppose that will carry on. The basic sentiment that we should be where we intend to be already, basically comes out as those who think that are frustrated at the play and wont accept an argument that it still needs time, those that do not think we should be already there, tend to take in the extenuating circumstances more and sound like they are offering excuses, when they are not necessarily doing so.

Repeat the whole discussion is based around if we should be the real deal already.

[Original Dub]

It seems a lot of you are missing Ted's points.

People speak as if we are some relentless, inexorable machine grinding out 1-0 victories in every game on our unstoppable march to silverware/the CL.

This is not true. Sometime we fit this description, but more often than not we fuck it up and look limp, bereft of ideas and somewhat uninterested. This is not to say Mancini will not get it right, and maybe even get it right soon, it is just that right he is still making mistakes and so are the team.

Perhaps some who are arguing with Ted are ignoring his point rather than missing it. Im not sure many are suggesting we have a plan to get 1-0's every game or that we are doing that.

Ted Hughes wrote:
Well it's doing my head in. I actually like the Italian git quite a lot & have just as many good things as bad things to say about him but we have a fantastic squad now & we should be more or less where we are, it's not some kind of miracle that can only be achieved by some fantastic tactical revolution that we're all to thick to understand. The miracle will be what happens when it comes together, not what happens now, which is very up & down. Wed was a definite down. Today may be much different. If it is I'll be praising him for it. If he plays a bunch of kids in the back 4 & we get beat , I'll be slagging him off. Someone then would tell me a good reason for him doing it.

the blue bit sums up what i am arguing with and it is what is colouring the whole of Ted's arguments at the moment. It isn't that Ted isn't right about the various tactical, player changes that have been spurious at best, he is spot on imo on the whole.

The argument if there is one is about what we should be expecting at this point with Mancini, there are big differences of opinion there and i suppose that will carry on. The basic sentiment that we should be where we intend to be already, basically comes out as those who think that are frustrated at the play and wont accept an argument that it still needs time, those that do not think we should be already there, tend to take in the extenuating circumstances more and sound like they are offering excuses, when they are not necessarily doing so.

Repeat the whole discussion is based around if we should be the real deal already.

No, its the style of football we're playing right now and have been for some time. IF that changes, I'm sure we'll all be singing his name in unison.

[brite blu sky]

No, its the style of football we're playing right now and have been for some time. IF that changes, I'm sure we'll all be singing his name in unison.

i totally agree with that.. and really want entertaining football, i will afford Bob some time though to get there and hope that the end product will be.

As i highlighted what Ted wrote though, my point stands in relation to uncle Ted's argument.

[brite blu sky]

Interestingly the Villa game has shown in real terms a lot of the arguments and points made in this thread.. The rags are there for the taking.. but get it wrong and let slip what is working to contain them and they will still punish you.

Wierdly the game kind of proves both sides of the discussion and offers no solution!! Ha Ha

[Original Dub]

Interestingly the Villa game has shown in real terms a lot of the arguments and points made in this thread.. The rags are there for the taking.. but get it wrong and let slip what is working to contain them and they will still punish you.

Wierdly the game kind of proves both sides of the discussion and offers no solution!! Ha Ha

good shout that!

[Fidel Castro]

pearcini why do you enjoy boring people to death? some kind of fucked up fetish?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Tevez off for Barry ?
Boateng better than Micah ?


FUCK OFF MANCINI,IVE SEEN ENOUGH OF YOUR SHIT FOOTBALL.............PISS OFF.

[Original Dub]

What a terrible advertisement for the game Manchester City have become.

[ant london]

Fucking Italian piece of shit. I current hate him and I fucking hate watching his City.

I also hate all the silly cunts who thought this prick was the next coming of tactical Christ.

Fuck off Mancini and fuck off all those posters who are up the cunt's arse.



I wish I wanted the club to sack the cautious prick....unfortunately I want no managerial change whatsoever for at the very least this season

CRAPENNACIO

[Crossie]

I could put up with it if we were playing WANK and boring other teams to 1-0 wins, some might say Mourinho played it that way at times.

But Mancini isnt Mourinho, nothing fucking like him.

We are Manchester City, we dont do boring.

We do all or nothing, could we please atleast try to play some attractive football?

We are like a chav who wins 40 million on the lottery, then blows it all in 3 years and ends up in jail with Ciffilis

[Manx Blue]

So...we're still in fourth aren't we? Yes, its another draw...yes it was dull, but a number of clubs go through poor periods during the season.

Face it, if we get rid of Mancini, who is available? there will not be a change manager until at least the end of the season IMHO

We've kept the faith this long, another few weeks or months isn't going to hurt....So lets all grow up, have a beer and a steak tonight and get ready for a week off from Football.

[Original Dub]

The 25,000 or so who stayed till the bitter end booed that display.

I'm just numb. Its the only way to discribe what this type of Italian football does to you.

[CityDub]

Crucify Him!!!!

[xavi6]

He needs to be fucked asap while we can still salvage the season.