Today's Times Hughes/Mancini Head to Head

[brite blu sky]

Goals scored per game Hughes 1.65 Mancini 1.62. Equates to 1 goal a season less with Mancini. People are getting in a pickle over 1 goal a season? They must really enjoy seeing the opposition score!!

The thing is, what people are pissed off with is not about the number of goals scored. We could score 1,2 or 5 in a game, and I would still not enjoy the way we go about it.

I HATE going to COMS now, it is miserable, depressing, shite, and the thought about whether I should have just stayed at home creeps in the minute we kick off, and by 15 minutes in, I really want to go home regardless of whether we are winning, losing or drawing.

That feeling has been there since very early on under Mancini for me - I am paying £400 a year and getting nothing in return. All the talk about seeing world class players coming into COMS, bollocks, because the world class players are having the raw talent and ability squeezed out of them, and the direct result is that I really don't want to go any more.

Mate, you must be sitting around a right bunch of miserable bastards if that's how you really feel. I suggest you get over to the family stand and have some chicken nuggets or something.

To say you're paying £400 and getting nothing in return is complete twaddle. We've beaten Liverpool 3-0. We've beaten Chelsea. The Newcastle game was quality, IMO. The Arsenal game was entertaining, even if the result was poor.

So we've had a couple of negative performances whilst the ship is steadied, it's not the end of the world. You don't have to look too far back into the past to find football that really wasn't worth the price of a season ticket. This is a transitional period and at the end of it, if it works, we'll all be happier.

That sort of talk does nobody any good. The fans, the manager, the team, the club.

Jesus, give a mole a shovel.................

There really is no arguing with some people at the moment... a lot seem to just have thrown all patience out of the window... like they are reading the media and being influenced by it in some way. I have no doubt that if nothing improves there will be the mother of all results v entertainment debates, but surely we have to wait to see how things pan out while the team and Bobby get it sorted out.

[Ted Hughes]

Goals scored per game Hughes 1.65 Mancini 1.62. Equates to 1 goal a season less with Mancini. People are getting in a pickle over 1 goal a season? They must really enjoy seeing the opposition score!!

The thing is, what people are pissed off with is not about the number of goals scored. We could score 1,2 or 5 in a game, and I would still not enjoy the way we go about it.

I HATE going to COMS now, it is miserable, depressing, shite, and the thought about whether I should have just stayed at home creeps in the minute we kick off, and by 15 minutes in, I really want to go home regardless of whether we are winning, losing or drawing.

That feeling has been there since very early on under Mancini for me - I am paying £400 a year and getting nothing in return. All the talk about seeing world class players coming into COMS, bollocks, because the world class players are having the raw talent and ability squeezed out of them, and the direct result is that I really don't want to go any more.

Mate, you must be sitting around a right bunch of miserable bastards if that's how you really feel. I suggest you get over to the family stand and have some chicken nuggets or something.

To say you're paying £400 and getting nothing in return is complete twaddle. We've beaten Liverpool 3-0. We've beaten Chelsea. The Newcastle game was quality, IMO. The Arsenal game was entertaining, even if the result was poor.

So we've had a couple of negative performances whilst the ship is steadied, it's not the end of the world. You don't have to look too far back into the past to find football that really wasn't worth the price of a season ticket. This is a transitional period and at the end of it, if it works, we'll all be happier.

That sort of talk does nobody any good. The fans, the manager, the team, the club.

Jesus, give a mole a shovel.................

There really is no arguing with some people at the moment... a lot seem to just have thrown all patience out of the window... like they are reading the media and being influenced by it in some way. I have no doubt that if nothing improves there will be the mother of all results v entertainment debates, but surely we have to wait to see how things pan out while the team and Bobby get it sorted out.

Tbh that's unfair. I know exactly what John's talking about because I've felt exactly the same way watching City's home games since Bob took over. I hate it. I'm going in the hope & belief that it will get better & I really do believe that to be the case. The football on the whole though is fucking tragic to watch & the ground is mainly like a morgue. We started well v Liverpool & won a fantastic tactical non football battle v Chelsea. The rest of the season has mostly been one long trip to the dentist, as was the 2nd half of last season.

It's nothing to do with the media. It's whether you like a certain standard of entertainment in football. I'm only interested in quality attacking football. I've watched shite mainly since Dennis Tueart left & this is no more rewarding than any of the other periods.

I truly believe it will change when Balotelli etc get fit. If it doesn't improve though but still we win the lot, I'll enjoy celebrating the trophies then sack it & watch on tv.

[Blue Since 76]

In hughes' first season, all we heard was patience. In his second season, it was patience. In Mancini's first half season, patience. And now? Patience.

The result, still not a pot to piss in, with some ready to book the open top bus if we get 4th.

Either we're a bunch of impatient buggers or hughes and mancini aren't as good as some like to believe.

Time will tell, but I can't be arsed waiting. Neither is a Mourinho, so if one becomes available, we should consider whether this trajectory is getting us anywhere.

[colonel_muck]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

[brite blu sky]

I take the point Ted... really i do. i have long term doubts that Mancini wont hit the heights of full on entertaining football ever, but i just cant say that yet as it isnt really fair on him or the team as it has gone so far. My fear is that the footie will be ok and attacking but never the kind of gung-ho stuff that make for unforgettable games, reason tells me we will always be controlled about our play under Bob. However there is a chance that once we have a team that know themselves and have a basic level that is very good, then the players will relax in a certain way and we will see them do more of their collective 'own thing' regardless of Mancini. It is like the basic eventual character of the team. i dont think there are many fans who are not thinking that it is frustrating waiting for that to emerge.

It is pretty obvious we are missing a dynamic striker and a good one would no doubt change the whole scene, i hope like you and others that is Balotelli.

[bluej]

In hughes' first season, all we heard was patience. In his second season, it was patience. In Mancini's first half season, patience. And now? Patience.

The result, still not a pot to piss in, with some ready to book the open top bus if we get 4th.

Either we're a bunch of impatient buggers or hughes and mancini aren't as good as some like to believe.

Time will tell, but I can't be arsed waiting. Neither is a Mourinho, so if one becomes available, we should consider whether this trajectory is getting us anywhere.

Depends on how long you consider 'patient' to be, considering Mancini hasn't had a year in charge yet, I would hardly call that patience.

[Beefymcfc]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

[Socrates]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

we were 6th after that win, 8th when the decision was made.

[Beefymcfc]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

we were 6th after that win, 8th when the decision was made.

Must've been level on points then because I distinctly remember we were 5th.

Good to see you popping up after the games won, good drills mate.

[Slim]

Mancini 1-0 Hughes

There's your head to head.

[Socrates]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

we were 6th after that win, 8th when the decision was made.

Must've been level on points then because I distinctly remember we were 5th.

Good to see you popping up after the games won, good drills mate.

I popped up much earlier but it was night time in England you must have missed it.

Table when decision was made...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester United 17 12 1 4 37 14 37
3 Arsenal 16 10 2 4 41 20 32
4 Aston Villa 17 9 5 3 28 14 32
5 Tottenham Hotspur 17 9 3 5 38 22 30
6 Liverpool 17 8 3 6 34 23 27
7 Birmingham City 17 8 3 6 18 17 27
8 Manchester City 16 6 8 2 29 24 26

Table when he actually left...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester Un*ted 18 12 1 5 37 17 37
3 Arsenal 17 11 2 4 44 20 35
4 Aston Villa 18 10 5 3 29 14 35
5 Tottenham Hotspur 18 10 3 5 40 22 33
6 Manchester City 17 7 8 2 33 27 29

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

we were 6th after that win, 8th when the decision was made.

Must've been level on points then because I distinctly remember we were 5th.

Good to see you popping up after the games won, good drills mate.

I popped up much earlier but it was night time in England you must have missed it.

Table when decision was made...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester United 17 12 1 4 37 14 37
3 Arsenal 16 10 2 4 41 20 32
4 Aston Villa 17 9 5 3 28 14 32
5 Tottenham Hotspur 17 9 3 5 38 22 30
6 Liverpool 17 8 3 6 34 23 27
7 Birmingham City 17 8 3 6 18 17 27
8 Manchester City 16 6 8 2 29 24 26

Table when he actually left...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester Un*ted 18 12 1 5 37 17 37
3 Arsenal 17 11 2 4 44 20 35
4 Aston Villa 18 10 5 3 29 14 35
5 Tottenham Hotspur 18 10 3 5 40 22 33
6 Manchester City 17 7 8 2 33 27 29

I'm going to fucking bookmark this post because I've repeated the same thing million times but couldn't find actual tables to prove it. During past year it has become more and more ridiculous how people remember it. I bet in few years people will say that we were on top of the table when he was sacked.

Anyway, today proved yet again what a tactical inept clown Hughes is. To be fair, even I've been surprised how bad Fulham have been this season. Truly shocking. I've seen them few times this season and they haven't been any better. But hey, if you are a Fulham supporter, dear not. hughes' teams are always better in second half of the season. Of course they are in relegation zone after first part of the season....

[Original Dub]

Jesus you're obsessed with Hughes!!

Hughes was unfairly sacked at the time and I think the majority can see that.

Before today, we were on the same amount of points as we were this time last season, had only lost ONCE and we'd scored much more goals.

Not bad for a tactically inept manager.

He's gone now, so you've had your day. We'll never know if he would have proven to be better than Mancini, but Mancini still has some way to go to entertain his fans on a consistant basis, as confirmed by the chants of "boring boring City" and "you don't know what you're doing" only last week.... quickly followed of course by chants of his name this week.

Football fans are fickle, but they do demand entertainment and rightly so.

Anyway, as it stands, I think Mancini is slightly ahead on head to head and I'm delighted with that, even if it did cost another 200m or whatever to achieve that, because I want my club to successful, no matter who's in charge.

I've been delighted with my club since the take over and delighted and extremely grateful to everyone who has gotten us to the point. Including Mark Hughes.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought we were seventh. That makes it an even slyer move by Cook & Co imo. They really didn't have a leg to stand on. The equivalent would be to sack Mancini today because we weren't 4th yesterday. Nasty dishonest business which is in part responsible for a lot of the bad press we get today. They should have either sacked him the season before or judged him at the end. Hopefully though some of the press will be scared to push the issue any further after today's performance, which was a definite improvement on Hughes' team.

[Original Dub]

I thought we were seventh. That makes it an even slyer move by Cook & Co imo. They really didn't have a leg to stand on. The equivalent would be to sack Mancini today because we weren't 4th yesterday. Nasty dishonest business which is in part responsible for a lot of the bad press we get today. They should have either sacked him the season before or judged him at the end. Hopefully though some of the press will be scared to push the issue any further after today's performance, which was a definite improvement on Hughes' team.

Sacking him at the time they did and in the manner they did was disgraceful and we are still paying for it in the media. The only way that will go away is by playing like we did today, which I've seen us do maybe five times in the premier leauge under Mancini.

I am hopeful that all this time we were building towards that performance today and we are now confident enough to attack teams every week.

Hopeful, but I've been hopeful a hell of lot of times before.

We'll know more after the next couple of games.

[Socrates]

I thought we were seventh. That makes it an even slyer move by Cook & Co imo. They really didn't have a leg to stand on. The equivalent would be to sack Mancini today because we weren't 4th yesterday. Nasty dishonest business which is in part responsible for a lot of the bad press we get today. They should have either sacked him the season before or judged him at the end. Hopefully though some of the press will be scared to push the issue any further after today's performance, which was a definite improvement on Hughes' team.

Tripe on stilts. The decision was made when we were 8th, after a full set of matches had taken place, Hughes knew his fate already before the Sunderland game which put us into 6th on the evening of that game, Cook would have to have been psychic to know we would win that game when we had only won one of the previous ten!

[The Goose]

I can just about stand the way we are playing, I tell myself it's a necessary stage to something a lot better but if we lose I reckon Roberto might walk, that would be a disaster.

Manager's don't really 'walk' anymore, but Roberto is an emotional guy so you never know. A loss tomorrow would be a psychological disaster.

I think his problem isn't so much results right now, it's the way so many players are carrying the body language of men who aren't enjoying their work.

Well, so much for them not enjoying their work!

Yesterday's performance was one straight out of the "this one's for the gaffer" book. Right down to the embrace between Carlos and Roberto when he was substituted.

[Beefymcfc]

i am absolutely positive we were 5th when hughes got sacked????

You are positively correct, after the win against Sunderland with his own players. However, it could be argued that he wasn't actually the manager come the final whistle.

we were 6th after that win, 8th when the decision was made.

Must've been level on points then because I distinctly remember we were 5th.

Good to see you popping up after the games won, good drills mate.

I popped up much earlier but it was night time in England you must have missed it.

Table when decision was made...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester United 17 12 1 4 37 14 37
3 Arsenal 16 10 2 4 41 20 32
4 Aston Villa 17 9 5 3 28 14 32
5 Tottenham Hotspur 17 9 3 5 38 22 30
6 Liverpool 17 8 3 6 34 23 27
7 Birmingham City 17 8 3 6 18 17 27
8 Manchester City 16 6 8 2 29 24 26

Table when he actually left...
1 Chelsea 17 13 1 3 42 14 40
2 Manchester Un*ted 18 12 1 5 37 17 37
3 Arsenal 17 11 2 4 44 20 35
4 Aston Villa 18 10 5 3 29 14 35
5 Tottenham Hotspur 18 10 3 5 40 22 33
6 Manchester City 17 7 8 2 33 27 29

Cheers pal, thanks for the clarification. Can't argue with the facts.

[Whassat]

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forza Mancini!

As much as I like Mancini, those head to head stats are not without flaws. The team Hughes inherited was alot worse than what Roberto got. That said, if these figures say anything, it is that we are steadily improving and progressing...

[Patrick]

The most shocking thing is the combination of letters to produce "fella" in so many posts, combine that with the odd "lol" and even one post containing both.

Unless you are shawzy in disguise you should be shot IMHO at dawn with blunt bullets, no make that blunt fruit