Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[Swales4ever]

I am hereby witnessing that, since Stoke game, Ted've said more than several times Bob did a good job.
I also bought some of his beans recently posted in such assessment. the remaining part (of beans), where I don't agree, being widely subject to review upon forthcoming performances, so that I didn't even took the pain (and moreso I did saved yours) in countering some peanuts.
Still - what is important - City will end 3rd/2nd in the League and shall travel to either Dublin (my preferred guess) or Wembley, and everybody onhere will follow Ted in chanting Bob's name.
Mark my words.
Should my guess result incorrect - as City fan - I will be quick here to moan at the manager.

[Original Dub]

I am hereby witnessing that, since Stoke game, Ted've said more than several times Bob did a good job.
I also bought some of his beans recently posted in such assessment. the remaining part (of beans), where I don't agree, being widely subject to review upon forthcoming performances, so that I didn't even took the pain (and moreso I did saved yours) in countering some peanuts.
Still - what is important - City will end 3rd/2nd in the League and shall travel to either Dublin (my preferred guess) or Wembley, and everybody onhere will follow Ted in chanting Bob's name.
Mark my words.
Should my guess result incorrect - as City fan - I will be quick here to moan at the manager.

I've fucking cracked it!

Ted and Bob are heading to Dublin to meet Mark for beans and peanuts.

Am I close?

[Swales4ever]

I am hereby witnessing that, since Stoke game, Ted've said more than several times Bob did a good job.
I also bought some of his beans recently posted in such assessment. the remaining part (of beans), where I don't agree, being widely subject to review upon forthcoming performances, so that I didn't even took the pain (and moreso I did saved yours) in countering some peanuts.
Still - what is important - City will end 3rd/2nd in the League and shall travel to either Dublin (my preferred guess) or Wembley, and everybody onhere will follow Ted in chanting Bob's name.
Mark my words.
Should my guess result incorrect - as City fan - I will be quick here to moan at the manager.

I've fucking cracked it!

Ted and Bob are heading to Dublin to meet Mark for beans and peanuts.

Am I close?

hit, sunk!
Let me have the fish.

[Swales4ever]

Edit: Breakin news: They are going to meet Ronk ...:-)

[brite blu sky]

I'm assuming you didn't read or hear the quotes from Bob a few weeks ago about how his team wasn't functioning because he needed Balotelli to get fit & play on the left?

I do remember, i dont see what that has to do with the discussion though tbh.

Well, it's Bob basically saying that he wants the same set up I was asking for with a left sided striker. I assumed you'd not seen those quotes because you seemed to be suggesting that's not the case &that Bob wants something else. It's pretty obvious to me that he played Jo there last week but for some reason decided to change it this week, even though he'd been saying he was waiting for Balotelli to do that very job, then he changed it back when it didn't work. I would have thought it was at the absolute heart of the discussion.

I can see where you are coming from Ted, but i am simply pointing out that we dont know what Bob's instructions are specifically, or if players are conforming with that or not. So my point is not about what Bob wants it is more about the fact that we cant really know. So when you are arguing that it should have been set up like Fulham, maybe it was and Mario fucled about. But also in addition to that there was a lot more movement across the width of the park by the all the front players compared with Fulham. Check the Guardian chalkboards for clear conformation of that.
So the conclusion for that is that either the players or Mancini decided they should move around more. As i mentioned that could be in response to Stoke, the point made by Tru Blu, that you have pretty much ignored.

My contention with what you have written is that you used the examples of Balotelli's positioning to argue that Bob got the set up wrong. And so i pointed out that Balotelli was initially on the left then moved and continued to move about and swap with Silva. By pointing that out im saying it undermines your basic argument and weakens what you are saying.

On the basis of that but in a more general sense i would say that the first half performance was down to more things than Bob having set it up wrong, something you dont want to seem to acknowledge at all. I have no idea why, but as i have said in other threads in discussion with you, it seems almost as if you have a downer on Mancini and therefore pin all misfortune or things not going to plan on him and him alone.
Dont get me wrong, your arguments are good, but in danger of being skewed by analysing things based only on Bob being at fault and not other factors.

I don't know how many times I've said since the Stoke game that I thought Bob did a good job on the whole & deserved praise but it could be heading for double figures. It seems you either have to kiss his arse 90% of the time or you get accused of having a problem with him on here.

I think he changed the team formation & it was a mistake. I think that his biggest faults have been; 1) failing to get the best out of the team as an attacking unit & 2) making too many experimental changes to the team & formation before we've had chance to gel. I think he's cost us points & endangered our UEFA position through those faults .

Recently he's improved on attacking v WBA, Fulham & 2nd half v Stoke. He still has a tendency to overdo the changes though imo.

I've been consistent on those points all season & will continue to be if I think it's wrong. It's got absolutely fuck all to do with having any kind of downer on Bob, it's about having an honest opinion of what I'm seeing on the pitch. I think he often causes as many problems for himself as the opposition do with his changes.

Now wait a fuclin minute!.. only kidding. i will get off your case Ted as it is going nowhere and fair dues it is only one part of what you have been saying all along anyway. I think you know what im getting at basically and there is little point labouring it tbh, no doubt it will crop up again anyways as Mancini struggles to get it right... tonight being one occassion for starters, as i have got a feeling there may be a few who are not so enthused with the selection... we will see.

[Original Dub]

Edit: Breakin news: They are going to meet Ronk ...:-)

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[ronk]

Edit: Breakin news: They are going to meet Ronk ...:-)

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[carl_feedthegoat]

Edit: Breakin news: They are going to meet Ronk ...:-)

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[Swales4ever]

Amen...
Come on You Mighty Blues!!!!

[Wooders]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

[john@staustell]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

[saulman]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

Horses for courses. He got it right last night.

Lets see how he handles Saturday.

[Wooders]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

because we're doing so well in the prem with 3 defensive midfielders? Because free scoring teams like Spurs and UTD who usually play similair formations to last night get anihilated?
Why would we be the special cases who get torn to shreds?

[Original Dub]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

Sorry mate but that's horsehit... if you're referring to the formation and tactics, which is what Wooders was referring to...

All or 99% of our home games should be played this way. Anihilated?

No, we'd most likely have beaten the likes of Blackburn and Birmingham and even the scum had we played with the same or a similar formation.

[the_georgian_genius]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

Sorry mate but that's horsehit... if you're referring to the formation and tactics, which is what Wooders was referring to...

All or 99% of our home games should be played this way. Anihilated?

No, we'd most likely have beaten the likes of Blackburn and Birmingham and even the scum had we played with the same or a similar formation.

With SWP and Johnson on the wings? Where would Silva play? 4-4-2 is a formation that is outdated.

[brite blu sky]

who would have guessed playing 2 strikers, 2 wingers and 1 attack minded midfielder would result in goals ?
Well done bobby you are indeed "the master"

Silly argument Wooders. Terribly weak opposition enabled him to field such a line-up. Would've been anihilated in the Prem.

Sorry mate but that's horsehit... if you're referring to the formation and tactics, which is what Wooders was referring to...

All or 99% of our home games should be played this way. Anihilated?

No, we'd most likely have beaten the likes of Blackburn and Birmingham and even the scum had we played with the same or a similar formation.

It would be interesting to go back in time and replay the Fulham game with last nights players (if not quite the formation) an see how they did. I'd bet on them to have beaten Fulham. The rags ?? thats a tight call.

[The Goose]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned that last night's formation/tactics, whatever you want to call them, were almost identical to the system we played under Mancini for most of his time in charge last season.

His marriage to the 433 we currently play in the league is holding the team back IMO. We should at least TRY playing 442 with Balo in front of Tevez, and AJ and Silva on the wings, and Yaya and Milner in the middle. That team, with that set up, would be infinitely better than the teams which battered Brum and Burnley last season for example.

[Ted Hughes]

We didn't play a normal 4-4-2. We may have had a line of 4 on occasions but Jo spent a lot of the game in midfield or out wide with Balotelli on his own up front 30 yayds away. Occasionally Jo stayed forward when an attack broke down or swapped with Balo but mostly he joined the midfield. The main difference is that we had more attacking players in the team, so although we were pretty much 4-5-1 when we lost the ball, when in possession we got forward much quicker & in greater numbers than we did v Birmingham for example, with Milner, a more attack minded midfielder than Barry or DeJong, also getting forward & even Vieira joining in.

People claiming you can't play like that in the Premier league have not one iota of evidence whatsoever to back up their claim. but mouth it off as if they have some kind of tactical enlightenment superior to everyone else. It's bullshit. No you don't do it every week v the top sides & perhaps it's not a good idea with Jo & SWP but if we can't replace those two with Tevez & Silva & play fucking Blackburn or Birmingham or Blackpool or Fulham or West Ham or Wigan or West Brom etc etc at home then we should fucking give it up.

What we did last night was exactly what the rags have been doing for 20 odd years; battering shite teams at home by attacking.

[brite blu sky]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned that last night's formation/tactics, whatever you want to call them, were almost identical to the system we played under Mancini for most of his time in charge last season.

His marriage to the 433 we currently play in the league is holding the team back IMO. We should at least TRY playing 442 with Balo in front of Tevez, and AJ and Silva on the wings, and Yaya and Milner in the middle. That team, with that set up, would be infinitely better than the teams which battered Brum and Burnley last season for example.

i dont want to get into an indefinite discussion on 442 or 433. But just to point out that with the two FBs Mancini has got he can have two or three strikers eventually, especially as Tevez is so good at dropping deeper and putting a shift in.

[brite blu sky]

We didn't play a normal 4-4-2. We may have had a line of 4 on occasions but Jo spent a lot of the game in midfield or out wide with Balotelli on his own up front 30 yayds away. Occasionally Jo stayed forward when an attack broke down or swapped with Balo but mostly he joined the midfield. The main difference is that we had more attacking players in the team, so although we were pretty much 4-5-1 when we lost the ball, when in possession we got forward much quicker & in greater numbers than we did v Birmingham for example, with Milner, a more attack minded midfielder than Barry or DeJong, also getting forward & even Vieira joining in.

People claiming you can't play like that in the Premier league have not one iota of evidence whatsoever to back up their claim. but mouth it off as if they have some kind of tactical enlightenment superior to everyone else. It's bullshit. No you don't do it every week v the top sides & perhaps it's not a good idea with Jo & SWP but if we can't replace those two with Tevez & Silva & play fucking Blackburn or Birmingham or Blackpool or Fulham or West Ham or Wigan or West Brom etc etc at home then we should fucking give it up.

What we did last night was exactly what the rags have been doing for 20 odd years; battering shite teams at home by attacking.

Correct and we will get there in the end.
I would point out one thing though, last night Salzburg had to come out and try, they couldn't just sit for a draw or try and nick it. That does make a difference.