Opinions On Mancini From A Few Months Ago

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

If we played like that every time I'd have given up caring.

I actually don't think I could ever give up caring. I got very frustrated during the Pearce years, but before that I lived through 1982-83 and other terrible times; everything is relative.

I should have been clearer about my "weaklings and losers" comments. What our friend is saying in the message I quoted is EXACTLY what the gutter press wants. They liked their cosy little "Big 4" cartel. They all had contacts inside those clubs and they don't appreciate us trying to shark in there. They want us to have the mentality "we would rather lose gloriously than get a point", because losing pushes United 3 points further away from us and maintains the cartel for a little bit longer. Mancini clearly decided that we wanted to avoid losing that game AT ANY COST - and guess what? It's nearly 2011, we are on the same points as United instead of three points behind them. If I had to put the options in order, it would be (1) Beat United; (2) If we don't beat them then get a draw AT ANY COST; (3) And this is a long, long way behind (2), lose to United. There are no circumstances in which I would ever want United to beat City. It could never happen. I think you'll find more City fans like me than like Bridge'srightfoot.

Obviously I didn't want United to beat us. But I would have been happier had we given it everything and given it a right good go rather than putting 10 men behind the ball. We had the players to absolutely destroy United yet we never attempted to.
We were so negative and dull. The Derby is more than just the result, it's the passion and the way you approach the game. As I've said, If Vassel and co can stick 4 past United, Silva and Tevez and co can do that.

We played like cowards in that game.
Consdiering the players at our disposal it was one of the most dissapointing derby's I've seen.
If we had a sh*t team, I could accept playing negatively, but we didn't we have a very good team and should have done much better.
Please stop with the immature little digs such as your pathetic last sentence. Cheers x

[Swales4ever]

Every now and then I feel concerned of what I could have had If I had chosen monogamy... Widows can be sooo lovely devoted...

Now we have a manager who, in a year time, have turned upside down an Historical Club, from one which had to pay £20+m to get Croque to one where world beaters dream to come. Refurbished players. Increasingly entertaining passing style. Top of the League,

Still the Clueless caretaker who knew fuck all about football, has only upgraded to a boring coward!

Bizarre or fascinating: make Your pick...

[andyblue]

I very much doubt he wants Utd to beat City but as far as I'm concerned I was more ashamed of our draw at Eastlands than most of our defeats over the last 20 years or so because in all those other games we had a vastly inferior team. It almost made me feel sick with shame. Most City fans I know personally were disgusted by it. I don't want to support a team that spends hundreds of millions on players & sits itn it's own half at home v Utd. There's no excuse for it & that game is the biggest reason the media call us 'boring' now even when we're playing good football; it's stuck with us. It was also the main reason for the crowd reaction v Brum & possibly the realisation by Bob that he can't play like that with City; we've been miles better since then.

Ashamed of our team? Disgusted by our team? There is no point discussing this; you and your friends mean something different from me when you say that you are a City fan. The media and what they want can FUCK OFF - they WANT us to lose to United. Bob hasn't realised ANYTHING. A team that had not gelled together by the Birmingham game is much stronger now. Bob has changed NOTHING. The team is getting stronger by virtue of playing more games.

[andyblue]

Obviously I didn't want United to beat us. But I would have been happier had we given it everything and given it a right good go ratehr than putting 10 men behind the ball. We had the players to absolutely destroy United yet we never attempted to.
We were so negative and dull. The Derby is more than just the result, it's the passion and the way you approach the game. As I've said, If Vassel and co can stick 4 past United, Silva and Tevez and co can do that.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote.

We played like cowards in that game.
Consdiering the players at our disposal it was one of the most dissapointing derby's I've seen.
If we had a sh*t team, I could accept playign negatively, but we didn't we have a very good team and should have done much better.
Please stop with the immature little digs such as your pathetic last sentence. Cheers x

"Cowards" is putting it strongly. Bert wants to win, but above all else he hates to lose.

I don't understand which sentence you think is an "immature little dig". You can't seriously think that more people think like you than like me on this matter?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Take teh game vs Spurs last season. They came to us, knwoing a draw would be good enough to cement Europe. Did they sit back and play for a draw? No they didn't, they pur every effort into winnign the game and got their just reward.

Too many times we've bottled it. We had no reason to play so negatively against United.

[Ted Hughes]

I very much doubt he wants Utd to beat City but as far as I'm concerned I was more ashamed of our draw at Eastlands than most of our defeats over the last 20 years or so because in all those other games we had a vastly inferior team. It almost made me feel sick with shame. Most City fans I know personally were disgusted by it. I don't want to support a team that spends hundreds of millions on players & sits itn it's own half at home v Utd. There's no excuse for it & that game is the biggest reason the media call us 'boring' now even when we're playing good football; it's stuck with us. It was also the main reason for the crowd reaction v Brum & possibly the realisation by Bob that he can't play like that with City; we've been miles better since then.

Ashamed of our team? Disgusted by our team? There is no point discussing this; you and your friends mean something different from me when you say that you are a City fan. The media and what they want can FUCK OFF - they WANT us to lose to United. Bob hasn't realised ANYTHING. A team that had not gelled together by the Birmingham game is much stronger now. Bob has changed NOTHING. The team is getting stronger by virtue of playing more games.

Just a happy coincidence then & I'm imagining the fact that Yaya Toure did most of his work in his own half v Brum but in the opponent's half in the next game? Well no I'm not actually imagining it, I looked it up a while back to see if there were any tactical differences & whether I was wrong; there are & I'm not.

Btw, I don't remember giving you my definition of what it is to be a City fan but I wouldn't want to suggest that you're any less of one because you're happy to let the rags have a point at our ground. I'll presume that you're not disrespecting me in that way, for no good reason, simply because I disagree with you & I'll assume that I've misunderstood your meaning.

[Swales4ever]

Some people truly deserve the clock step back one year.

[Florida Blue]

In fairness I support my comments, he was orchestrating boring football, and the shine on him was wearing thin. Look it is plain and simple, until he took the training wheels off of Silva (read as getting his head out of his ass), we were shockingly awful.

Now in fairness, he probably wanted to ease Silva into the prem. Now I believe the comment I made was when Bobby took off Ade when down a goal and put Zabba in the midfield (while having Jo and maybe RSC on the bench -- not great options but at least attacking ones when losing).

[andyblue]

Just a happy coincidence then & I'm imagining the fact that Yaya Toure did most of his work in his own half v Brum but in the opponent's half in the next game? Well no I'm not actually imagining it, I looked it up a while back to see if there were any tactical differences & whether I was wrong; there are & I'm not.

Btw, I don't remember giving you my definition of what it is to be a City fan but I wouldn't want to suggest that you're any less of one because you're happy to let the rags have a point at our ground. I'll presume that you're not disrespecting me in that way, for no good reason, simply because I disagree with you & I'll assume that I've misunderstood your meaning.

With respect, you can't just take one player. I've just looked at the chalkboard for our passes vs Bham and vs Villa. Against Birminham, 66% of our passes were in their half. Against Villa, 47% of our passes were in their half. On the face of it, Bham doesn't look less attacking to me (although there are reasons for that of course). YT played 44% of his passes in his own half vs Bham, compared to 47% of his passes in his own half against AV. I was using the Guardian's Chalkboard for these figures but I'm not sure that they necessarily refute your view. Against Bham we were a newer side coming together; against Villa, we're a fairly-well integrated side with lots and lots of confidence. I don't believe that Mancini has changed much between the two. The team is better and the opposition is different.

I didn't mean to suggest that you're less of a City fan than me (how could I know?) But we have very different perspectives, I'm sure. To my way of thinking, if the press says anything critical about my club, I am going to say the opposite. I don't like the fact that they want to call us negative when we have scored two more goals away than any other team in the premiership. I don't like the fact that they want us to remain "lovable losers" at a time when we might actually win something. I might be "ashamed" or "disgusted" if we cheated in some way but I cannot imagine that in any other circumstance - certainly not getting a draw against United.

[Ted Hughes]

Just a happy coincidence then & I'm imagining the fact that Yaya Toure did most of his work in his own half v Brum but in the opponent's half in the next game? Well no I'm not actually imagining it, I looked it up a while back to see if there were any tactical differences & whether I was wrong; there are & I'm not.

Btw, I don't remember giving you my definition of what it is to be a City fan but I wouldn't want to suggest that you're any less of one because you're happy to let the rags have a point at our ground. I'll presume that you're not disrespecting me in that way, for no good reason, simply because I disagree with you & I'll assume that I've misunderstood your meaning.

With respect, you can't just take one player. I've just looked at the chalkboard for our passes vs Bham and vs Villa. Against Birminham, 66% of our passes were in their half. Against Villa, 47% of our passes were in their half. On the face of it, Bham doesn't look less attacking to me (although there are reasons for that of course). YT played 44% of his passes in his own half vs Bham, compared to 47% of his passes in his own half against AV. I was using the Guardian's Chalkboard for these figures but I'm not sure that they necessarily refute your view. Against Bham we were a newer side coming together; against Villa, we're a fairly-well integrated side with lots and lots of confidence. I don't believe that Mancini has changed much between the two. The team is better and the opposition is different.

I didn't mean to suggest that you're less of a City fan than me (how could I know?) But we have very different perspectives, I'm sure. To my way of thinking, if the press says anything critical about my club, I am going to say the opposite. I don't like the fact that they want to call us negative when we have scored two more goals away than any other team in the premiership. I don't like the fact that they want us to remain "lovable losers" at a time when we might actually win something. I might be "ashamed" or "disgusted" if we cheated in some way but I cannot imagine that in any other circumstance - certainly not getting a draw against United.

If you read my posts on the press you'll know that I agree, some would say obsessively. We were making their job easy for them though & imo, the rags game, because it was the most high profile, set the standard for our reputation.

The whole world was waiting excitedly for a new super team to take them on & in Cookspeak "we bottled it" in front of the whole world. It wasn't small acale defeat by a promoted side, it was a huge world famous set of players being told to play like Pearce's team (who also got slated by fans & press incidentally). The crowd reaction to the Brum game wasn't a reaction to that game, it was more of a reaction to the previous one. City got much less shit off the fans for losing to Everton than for drawing with Brum, because we're a much more positive club now.

I don't agree with fans booing, in fact I hate it, but on that occasion it woke up the whole club including the manager & we've been a different outfit, win or lose, ever since.

[Beefymcfc]

To be fair, a lot of the backlash was due to a very poor run of result's as well as performance's. Arsenal, Wolves, Poznan, United and Brum were all well below average performance's and with only the Brom game inbeween to crow about, it became a bit of a dire period, did it not?

[BlueMoonAwoken]

I cant believe my comment was picked out when i was defending yaya toure when people here was calling him shite, mancini was playing him upfront and we was playing shit football. People was expecting him to be a shit hot attacking mid or forward when he has played all his career as a defensive mid at barca. If i was dissing mancini i would hold my hands up.

Im being treated unfairly and want to request a transfer :P

[Original Dub]

Here's one from me just so nobody (else) thinks I am being horrid to them

Mancini has got a silly haircut

That's the third time I've seen this word on this board today.

Its like reading a fucking Enid Blyton book.

On topic, there must be shit loads of me giving Mancini shit around then?! I fucking hated watching us every week.... and you know what? I said what I thought.

D'oh.

[saulman]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

[Original Dub]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

This" lynch mob" thing has gone way overboard.

If we ever play the dross continually like we were, I'll complain again.

Simple.

These cunts boasting that they were right and everyone else hasn't a fucking clue is truely sad. Everyone who raised concerns with how we were playing had every right to.

Football changes again and again.

Ask Liverpool fans.

And particularly the guy who said it would all go pear shaped, because he obviously knows more about football than any of us gobshites.

[saulman]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

This" lynch mob" thing has gone way overboard.

If we ever play the dross continually like we were, I'll complain again.

Simple.

These cunts boasting that they were right and everyone else hasn't a fucking clue is truely sad. Everyone who raised concerns with how we were playing had every right to.

Football changes again and again.

Ask Liverpool fans.

And particularly the guy who said it would all go pear shaped, because he obviously knows more about football than any of us gobshites.

Mate, 'lynch mod' was a tongue-in-cheek term. Like the way I used 'lickers' and 'haters', both terms left over from the Les debates.
I agree that gloating gets you nowhere and just pisses those off that got it wrong, but that 'Mancini Out' thread was so premature it was laughable. It should never have been started and most certainly never have been taken seriously. I was convinced it was simply a WUM until I read the content of it.

Yeah everyone was pissed off at watching 0-0 draws. Yeah we couldn't understand what he was trying to achieve up front. I think everyone was pretty much thinking the same and most were posting the same.

The big difference between both sides in that thread is that some haven't learned the lessons of the past and others have. All I'm saying is that the next time we get a poor run of results, and we most certainly will, we should all just show a little patience.

[Sister of fu]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

I see where you are coming from but do you have a short memory? On Saturday 17th April 2010 I had one of the most horrendous and heartbreaking moments of being blue when a certain ginger twat popped up in the last minute of the game and scored the winner. I then had to sit and listen to 3000 mongs singing this is "how it feels to be City" and then watch Gary Neville getting off with said ginger twat. Im sure this day was also still fresh in Bobby’s mind before the game in November.

I much preferred the tinge of disappoint in November when we drew 0-0 with the horrible bastards than the heartbreak of April. At the time in November we were still very much work in progress and i would have taken a draw prior to KO. Yeah it wasn’t great but it doesn’t bother me now like it seems to with other fans. We are now seeing a City team with the shackles slowing coming off and I expect a very different approach come OT time in February.

[Ted Hughes]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

This" lynch mob" thing has gone way overboard.

If we ever play the dross continually like we were, I'll complain again.

Simple.

These cunts boasting that they were right and everyone else hasn't a fucking clue is truely sad. Everyone who raised concerns with how we were playing had every right to.

Football changes again and again.

Ask Liverpool fans.

And particularly the guy who said it would all go pear shaped, because he obviously knows more about football than any of us gobshites.

Mate, 'lynch mod' was a tongue-in-cheek term. Like the way I used 'lickers' and 'haters', both terms left over from the Les debates.
I agree that gloating gets you nowhere and just pisses those off that got it wrong, but that 'Mancini Out' thread was so premature it was laughable. It should never have been started and most certainly never have been taken seriously. I was convinced it was simply a WUM until I read the content of it.

Yeah everyone was pissed off at watching 0-0 draws. Yeah we couldn't understand what he was trying to achieve up front. I think everyone was pretty much thinking the same and most were posting the same.

The big difference between both sides in that thread is that some haven't learned the lessons of the past and others have. All I'm saying is that the next time we get a poor run of results, and we most certainly will, we should all just show a little patience.

If Bob sticks Boateng & Boyata together in the defence v Arsenal & we get beat, I will fucking slaughter him exactly as I did last time because he'll be guilty of weakening the team by gambling on a hunch & being close to incompetent on the day. If you read my posts after the Everton game however, you'll be hard pressed to find one single word of criticism for Mancini because I don't see that he did much wrong, it was the player's fault. If imo he fucks up, I'll be saying so.

[saulman]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

This" lynch mob" thing has gone way overboard.

If we ever play the dross continually like we were, I'll complain again.

Simple.

These cunts boasting that they were right and everyone else hasn't a fucking clue is truely sad. Everyone who raised concerns with how we were playing had every right to.

Football changes again and again.

Ask Liverpool fans.

And particularly the guy who said it would all go pear shaped, because he obviously knows more about football than any of us gobshites.

Mate, 'lynch mod' was a tongue-in-cheek term. Like the way I used 'lickers' and 'haters', both terms left over from the Les debates.
I agree that gloating gets you nowhere and just pisses those off that got it wrong, but that 'Mancini Out' thread was so premature it was laughable. It should never have been started and most certainly never have been taken seriously. I was convinced it was simply a WUM until I read the content of it.

Yeah everyone was pissed off at watching 0-0 draws. Yeah we couldn't understand what he was trying to achieve up front. I think everyone was pretty much thinking the same and most were posting the same.

The big difference between both sides in that thread is that some haven't learned the lessons of the past and others have. All I'm saying is that the next time we get a poor run of results, and we most certainly will, we should all just show a little patience.

If Bob sticks Boateng & Boyata together in the defence v Arsenal & we get beat, I will fucking slaughter him exactly as I did last time because he'll be guilty of weakening the team by gambling on a hunch & being close to incompetent on the day. If you read my posts after the Everton game however, you'll be hard pressed to find one single word of criticism for Mancini because I don't see that he did much wrong, it was the player's fault. If imo he fucks up, I'll be saying so.

But not calling for him to be sacked though, eh? We all make mistakes.

[Kladze]

Well I for one hope this thread makes people think twice before forming a lynch mob next time we get a defeat and a couple of draws.

Talk of 'I'd rather have Alardyce' and 'Yaya Toure is shite', etc, etc, all make the board a more enjoyable place for a heated debate and it's great that people voice their opinions. But we don't want to fuel a fire that shouldn't be lit in the first place. Talk of Mancini Out when we're sitting in the top 4 is just plain daft, whether it's a month ago or in a months time.

I think everyone, haters and lickers alike, should just exercise a little bit more patience and see how things pan out.

This" lynch mob" thing has gone way overboard.

If we ever play the dross continually like we were, I'll complain again.

Simple.

These cunts boasting that they were right and everyone else hasn't a fucking clue is truely sad. Everyone who raised concerns with how we were playing had every right to.

Football changes again and again.

Ask Liverpool fans.

And particularly the guy who said it would all go pear shaped, because he obviously knows more about football than any of us gobshites.

Mate, 'lynch mod' was a tongue-in-cheek term. Like the way I used 'lickers' and 'haters', both terms left over from the Les debates.
[highlight]I agree that gloating gets you nowhere and just pisses those off that got it wrong, but that 'Mancini Out' thread was so premature it was laughable. It should never have been started and most certainly never have been taken seriously. I was convinced it was simply a WUM until I read the content of it.[/highlight]

Yeah everyone was pissed off at watching 0-0 draws. Yeah we couldn't understand what he was trying to achieve up front. I think everyone was pretty much thinking the same and most were posting the same.

The big difference between both sides in that thread is that some haven't learned the lessons of the past and others have. [highlight]All I'm saying is that the next time we get a poor run of results, and we most certainly will, we should all just show a little patience[/highlight].

1) ........ gloating does indeed piss me off.

2) ......... I was, initially, under the impression that Lee was just gently mocking us in this thread - not gloating.

3).......... I don't think my thread was laughable or amounted to a wind up - that's very much a matter of your opinion. It was a genuinely felt post and one designed to say publicly what a lot of people were feeling at the time - as witnessed by many of the replies to it.

4) It had, and still has, nothing at all to do with results. It was, and is, about intent, performance / execution.

5) If Roberto's team was still today giving performances with the lack of style witnessed pre Fulham I would be getting well and truly stuck into him even if we had won every game. You don't buy a Rolls Royce and drive it like a fucking Reliant Robin.