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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:52 pm

Earlier this season, we lost to WBA in a cup game...it's finished with...GONE!!!
Last week I bought some cheese...I ate it...It's GONE.

This present squad is NOT last years, not the year before's...It isnt the team that lost to Halfax, Shrewsbury, Brighton etc, It is NOT the same team that got us relegated all those years ago and it's NOT the team that was put together because we couldn't afford to buy better players...Those seasons and their reasons have....(wait for it.....).....GONE!!!!

This season's team is this season's team. Currently still in the FA CUp, Currently still in the Europa League and currently just a bit closer than we were last week to the rags and Arsenal and abit further ahead than last week from Chelsea and Spurs.
We are not in that position, nor are we challenging for those cups because we got knocked out of some other cup in some other season. We are not in that position because we fucked up 20 odd years ago....

WE ARE IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE THE PLAYERS WE NOW CAN PUT INTO THE TEAM HAVE FUCLIN EARNED THAT POSITION....This fuclin season
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goaters 103 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:10 pm

The "typical City" syndrome, and feeling that we always cock up will remain in place until we lift some tangible silverware. Once that happens, it will silence most of it.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby david yearsley » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:31 pm

It´s down to attaining that winning mentality that Cook etc keep reiterating . The problem is breaking the cycle. Once we do that "typical City" will be something we can laugh out loud about inperpetuity. Breaking the cycle is either a "chicken and egg" in a more positive sense or a" vicious circle" in the negative. Either way the mental obstacle has to be overcome and perseverence and determination (including a good helping of J68 type positivism!) are the qualities which will eventually get us over the line
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:38 pm

Can totally understand why it annoys you John, as you have not only the stats to back it up, but you've witnessed it first hand.

I was born in '76 though, and to say that I've not seen us do particularly well would be something of an understatement. As Piccs said up there^ it's a defence mechanism - imagine if I'd been so positive in my attitude to City that I'd expected us to definitely win something every single season? I'd have gone fully mental a long time ago.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:53 pm

Sorry lads but i think some of you have totally missed the point. I will reiterate again.
Typical City is fine...it is humourous and quirky and reflects that nature of our club. In a more positive way, it has generated our unique sense of humour. It also explains so many of the incidents from our past.

It is when Typical City is used to define that we can't/won't be successful in the future because we never have in the past that it becomes not simplt negative but subversive.
Typical city is great to laugh at and use as quirky trivia but "Typical City" is NOT the reasoning behind failure in the future. I don't think that it had much to do with many of our failures of the past.

Posts that I read on here that, despite our present lofty position and our continuing challenges in the FA and Europa Cups that say "I am just waiting for us to fuck up...cos we always do"...or propagate the view that we can't win the league because of our "Cups for Cock ups" past...infuriate me.

If we fail to win anything this season, it will have fuck all to do with anything we failed towin last year.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:10 pm

Great posts John. You're doing really well.....

But I'm just waiting for you to cock up.

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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:32 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Great posts John. You're doing really well.....

But I'm just waiting for you to cock up.

Typical John68


Hahahaha

John I'm assuming it's the general attitude that annoys you, rather than the connotations of the phrase 'typical City'?

How can you expect us that have followed City and never seen us win anything, to not have had to develop a kind of 'assume the worst, then anything else is a bonus' attitude? Don;t ge tme wrong I'm the most optimistic I've ever been about our future - how could I not be? But I still have that safety net, so that if the worst does come to the worst, my heart might only get broken, rather than spat on, stabbed, and stamped on before being repeatedly shot. Then burnt. And then subject to a barrage of sarcastic comments.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby the_georgian_genius » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:41 pm

I'm sorry John but having lived through the typical city phase it will never leave me, i still look at fixtures at if the next team has lost 4 in a row then i think they will break that run against us..........and always will do, it just makes the actual outcome more rewarding!
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:04 pm

Mr Goergian,
This may suprise you but the typical city nature of our club has been around almost since we were founded. There are masses of incidents surrounding our club that fit neatly into the quirky nature of our club. Nobody should consider that Typical city has only existed since aroung 1976. It is not a modern thing.
I repeat once again that typical City is fine and no matter what those typical city incidents were in the past, they never repeat NEVER stopped us going onwards and upwards and being ultimately successful. Despite going bump as Ardwick (typical City) we still went on to win major honours a few years later. Despite having all our staff banned after the FA Cup win in 1904 (typical City) we still rebuilt and became massively successful in the 30s....and so fuclin many more incidents that failed to stop us moving on to glory. Looking at it rationally, Typical City has almost become a byeword for our successes.
Typical City was never nor is not now a prerequiste for failure.

Our failures from the 1980s onwards were the result of poor stewardship of the club.Fuck all to do with daft amusing incidents. If it hadn't have been for that poor stewardship, those events would not have hindered us significantly.

I would hate to see us win a trophy this season and find that City fans had succeeded in moaning and whingeing their way to glory.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:17 pm

City win nowt for 35 years and then start winning everything in sight? That really would be 'Typical City'.

I still need my mental safety net though.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:22 pm

uwes_skyblue_duvet wrote:City win nowt for 35 years and then start winning everything in sight? That really would be 'Typical City'.

I still need my mental safety net though.

Maybe I got it wrong and it was Doug who was your carer...:-) No wonder he fucled off...:-)
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Slim » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:27 pm

john68 wrote:Mr Goergian,
This may suprise you but the typical city nature of our club has been around almost since we were founded. There are masses of incidents surrounding our club that fit neatly into the quirky nature of our club. Nobody should consider that Typical city has only existed since aroung 1976. It is not a modern thing.
I repeat once again that typical City is fine and no matter what those typical city incidents were in the past, they never repeat NEVER stopped us going onwards and upwards and being ultimately successful. Despite going bump as Ardwick (typical City) we still went on to win major honours a few years later. Despite having all our staff banned after the FA Cup win in 1904 (typical City) we still rebuilt and became massively successful in the 30s....and so fuclin many more incidents that failed to stop us moving on to glory. Looking at it rationally, Typical City has almost become a byeword for our successes.
Typical City was never nor is not now a prerequiste for failure.

Our failures from the 1980s onwards were the result of poor stewardship of the club.Fuck all to do with daft amusing incidents. If it hadn't have been for that poor stewardship, those events would not have hindered us significantly.

I would hate to see us win a trophy this season and find that City fans had succeeded in moaning and whingeing their way to glory.
THERE IS NO BIG BAD BUS WAITING ROUND THE CORNER TO RUN US ALL OVER. The chances are that if that bus did exist at all, it would be there to speed up the journey to the top.

(How'm I doing Piccs...yer twat...:-)...(but funny though).



Unlike you who saw the fall of 1904 and rise in the 30's, most of us only have typical city to go by. My first memory of City was seeing Tommy Hutchison knock the ball in the net for both teams in the FA Cup final only to go on to lose the replay. Typical City couldn't have gotten off to a more auspicious start and without anything else to go on, that's all we know.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:27 pm

john68 wrote:
uwes_skyblue_duvet wrote:City win nowt for 35 years and then start winning everything in sight? That really would be 'Typical City'.

I still need my mental safety net though.

Maybe I got it wrong and it was Doug who was your carer...:-) No wonder he fucled off...:-)


Hahaha, maybe you're right!
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Slim » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:31 pm

Maybe a little more discerning the approval process lads, however nice quick deletion.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Wonderwall » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:32 pm

Slim wrote:Maybe a little more discerning the approval process lads, however nice quick deletion.


had a good look first then bye bye, some spamming fucler from China!!
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:39 pm

Welcome Slim,
Having been a part of the last 30 odd years of failure, I have been a part of that gut wrenching disappointment too and fully understand where it comes from. What I don't understand is; Why under the present circumstances, are City fans projecting a poor past into the future.
There were reasons for those failures, reasons that now no longer exist.
There is no wicked witch casting spells of disaster on us...
With all that is going on now around the club, the future can only ever be bright. If not this season, then next. The future is ours for the taking. It won't be easy and we'll have to compete for it but we have to be optimistic.....don't we????
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Goataldo » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:17 pm

john68 wrote:Welcome Slim,
Having been a part of the last 30 odd years of failure, I have been a part of that gut wrenching disappointment too and fully understand where it comes from. What I don't understand is; Why under the present circumstances, are City fans projecting a poor past into the future.
There were reasons for those failures, reasons that now no longer exist.
There is no wicked witch casting spells of disaster on us...
With all that is going on now around the club, the future can only ever be bright. If not this season, then next. The future is ours for the taking. It won't be easy and we'll have to compete for it but we have to be optimistic.....don't we????


I know that's specifically directed at Slim, bu as a likely candidate for what you're on about, what can I say? I'd rather be more optimistic than I am - which as I've said is the most I've ever been.

But for all I know there might be some horrible development where Mansour suddenly has a massive personality disorder attack, and starts supporting Yeovil, binning us off in the process?

It's the hope that kills you the most. To dare to dream and all that. It hurts, and you've at least got undoubtedly vivid memories of actually witnessing us being the best team in the land in all the world.

I'm starting to expect, rather than just hope, but it's a strange one to deal with. Managing my expectations against previous experience is not an easy balancing act. On the one hand I'm thinking - we have the best squad in the Premier League - we are all set to dominate football and write the most glorious chapter in our long but apparently non-existant history! And on the other hand, i've practically got the responses already pre-planned for when it all goes tits-up and the rug gets pulled from under us.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:17 pm

I can understand all the feelings of fear as that's what I think it is. That somehow despite everything it can still go wrong. But it won't. One interesting conversation I had with Bowen/Niedzvieki ages ago and obviously before they were sacked was all about the project and how it would succeed. Irrespective of who was manager ( as they clearly realised it might well not be them) they firmly believed the owners would succeed in their targets. It seemed understood that it was a long term project i.e all concerned realised winning the prem. the champs league etc etc would take a good few years and there may well be highs and lows along the way but make no mistake it will happen.

Clearly they ( from Hughes meetings with the owners I guess) were 100% convinced they were in it for the long haul whatever it takes. We have made steady progress and the targets are still in sight.More highs and lows for sure but we will succeed.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby ronk » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:56 pm

I see different aspects to "typical City". There's a well known streak of pessimism and inconstancy, an attitude born of endemic failure, embraced failure. Even now in our success there are fans whose number one fear is that we'll be turned into a plastic charmless club, we didn't stick with City through thick and thin just to turn into Manchester United, the thing we despise.

On the other hand we're a club brimming full of character, always looking for a little bit of harmless mischief or fun. It's funny what people remember, the days where we came from behind, where we won when we hadn't been given a hope, a pigeon, impeccable, Alan, Beanie etc. The thing is though that the two things are separate, even if people don't realise. We can continue to be the fun club while still taking the football seriously and winning. We're beginning to see that with things like the Poznan, one year in Europe qualified through the league and we're showing a fresh attitude, a new perspective. We're not ruining football, we're its future. We've spent silly money at times, but we're transforming football, for the better, off and on the pitch. Teams love playing us, even when they lose, the rest of the experience is great. That's typical city.
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Re: POSITIVELY CITY

Postby john68 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:16 am

Be patient with me on this and go with me.

Once upon a time...In a dark suburb full of tumble down houses, abject poverty and social deprivation. A place riddled with alcohol abuse, domestic violence and youth street disorder almost unimaginable today, where the tiny overcrowded and tumbledown houses packed together pumped out choking smoke into an atmosphere already almost unbearable to breathe , because of the industrial garbage emmitted by the local factories, foundries and chemical works. Where the diseases such as TB, ricketts, polio and diptheria made their presence felt in almost every household and child mortality rates were sky high....there was an idea. A GREAT IDEA.

It was to try and give the local people who lived in this hell hole something positive they could grasp to give them an alternative to the conditions they lived in. Something they could grasp, take part in and support. Just like millions of kids all over the World have done and are still doing now, they formed a football team. It played on a croft, a bit of waste ground.

Reel forward 130 years and that team from the gutters of West Gorton has risen. It's players live in mansions, they drive the ultimate cars and their families don't have to queue outside the local church to get a free bowl of soup or a free bag of coal to keep them warm. They no longer play on waste ground but in a state of the art modern stadium that is packed almost every time they play.

130 years after 1st forming, they have by one means or another, despite their fans believing that "typical city" has held them back, become the richest football club in the World...standing on the cusp of a greatness that their founder could never have ever dreamed of....and we all lived happily ever after.

Despite what the rags and their media would have us believe, the story of Manchester City is the ultimate fairy story with a good ending. Cinderella club beginnings...an innocent Snow White with a dream...a club that grew faster and bigger than the fabled beanstalk...and latterly an Eatern Alladin who rubbed his lamp and gave us more treasure than we ever dreamt of.

That Gentlemen, despite the ups and downs of the journey is the story of our TYPICAL CITY. and there's not an ounce of negativity to be seen.
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