Aris or Poznan?

[Ted Hughes]

Tbh, yes they made a lot of noise & were colourful but it's just a load of bullshit to me.

They're not supporting Aris at all, they're waving their dicks in the air saying 'look at us, aren't we wonderful?' It's not about the team, it's about them. Choreographed clapping, unfurling banners, it's like a big fucking Chinese pantomime. They didn't even bother giving the subs a polite round of applause because it hadn't been arranged with Lionel fucking Blair or whoever else coreographed the bollox.

Seen enough of it now, load of phoney, self indulgent shite. Give me spontaneous humour & genuine football passion over that pre determined posing crap anyday. Like a bunch of North Korean cheerleaders.

I agree

Do it when you score a goal, or 5-0 up...

Orchestration or choreography is essential when thousands of people want to produce a sound in tune.
Simple as that. It appears that kind of support goes far beyond your understanding.

We won't sing for them only when they score or win or make a good tackle. That's why it's done for
the full 90 mins regardless of their performance. It's a non-stop effort to make them feel they're playing
at home every single time. We don't expect anything from our team in return. It's unconditional love.
So do not despise what you can't reach, it's quite pathetic tbh.

It's organised posing to impress other fans, nothing more. Fuck all to do with the team & everything to do with taking pictures & videos of themselves & showing off. If you like that sort of thing then good luck. Imo, if we beat Villa & play Everton, THAT will be a genuine football atmosphere with two sets of fans passionately involved in the game & living each move. Sure there will be many moments when it goes pretty quiet & It may not be anywhere near as constantly loud, but it will be louder when there's an attack or incident that matters in the game & it will be spontaneous football passion, not cheerleading.

It's nowhere near the loudest I've heard incidentally. Go back to the playoff semi at Maine Rd etc; I remember Jimmy Wagg on the BBC saying he took off his headphones & almost went deaf. Not a dirgy song in fake manly voices but 30 odd thousand going fucking berserk. Real passion, not a bit of a laugh & a party.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Tbh, yes they made a lot of noise & were colourful but it's just a load of bullshit to me.

They're not supporting Aris at all, they're waving their dicks in the air saying 'look at us, aren't we wonderful?' It's not about the team, it's about them. Choreographed clapping, unfurling banners, it's like a big fucking Chinese pantomime. They didn't even bother giving the subs a polite round of applause because it hadn't been arranged with Lionel fucking Blair or whoever else coreographed the bollox.

Seen enough of it now, load of phoney, self indulgent shite. Give me spontaneous humour & genuine football passion over that pre determined posing crap anyday. Like a bunch of North Korean cheerleaders.

I agree

Do it when you score a goal, or 5-0 up...

Orchestration or choreography is essential when thousands of people want to produce a sound in tune. Simple as that. It appears that kind of support goes far beyond your understanding.

We won't sing for them only when they score or win or make a good tackle. That's why it's done for
the full 90 mins regardless of their performance. It's a non-stop effort to make them feel they're playing
at home every single time. We don't expect anything from our team in return. It's unconditional love.
So do not despise what you can't reach, it's quite pathetic tbh.

What the hell? Since the dawn of fucking time people have gathered to watch the football. Someone starts a (witty) chant and others follow. It's not fucking American Idol. Who cares if people are "in tune"?

I agree with Ted, people making choreographs or whatever is silly.

[lets all have a disco]

Nothing at Eastlands will ever better the loudness on that night against Hamburg and also against Chelsea when the lights went off for the first time.

I wish the Beskitas loud monitor had measured the decibels on those nights.

[Original Dub]

Nothing at Eastlands will ever better the loudness on that night against Hamburg and also against Chelsea when the lights went off for the first time.

I wish the Beskitas loud monitor had measured the decibels on those nights.

Here here brother K.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Nothing at Eastlands will ever better the loudness on that night against Hamburg and also against Chelsea when the lights went off for the first time.I wish the Beskitas loud monitor had measured the decibels on those nights.

How did you manage with your choreography with no lights though?

Also, if we do mancityfans.net cheerleader pyramid, who'd you have on the bottom and who'd go on top?

[lets all have a disco]

Nothing at Eastlands will ever better the loudness on that night against Hamburg and also against Chelsea when the lights went off for the first time.I wish the Beskitas loud monitor had measured the decibels on those nights.

How did you manage with your choreography with no lights though?

Also, if we do mancityfans.net cheerleader pyramid, who'd you have on the bottom and who'd go on top?

I'd have Dan,Bear,Dubs,Rambo Cairo,Beeks on the bottom deck. (SOLID BASE)
KK,SOF,SPIV and Fids in the middle. (steady in the middle)
Gillie,Slim and Mark (Blue Army). (Creative department)
Ted and Arjan. (solid s club 7 routines)
up top. Look Mum. (give it the indie flair)


John68 out front with his shirt off directing this amazing show of passion and dedication to youtube.


I'm already getting wet at the thought of countless Kiev youtube links of the fans holding a flair with no shirt on.

[Avalon]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C28qkxC2ZZQ[/youtube]

Feyenoord fans tend to get pretty loud as well :O

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I was in the South Stand, upper tier and it was hilarious...
Some of them never even bothered looking at the game...too busy grabbing their bollocks and lunging their hips towards the City fans.
Did anyone see the loonie with the rag pennant. The stewards tried to take it off him but it was too far for them to reach...he bent over to keep them away from it...so they took the rag hat off his head instead.
It must have cost Lionel Blair a fortune to get over here...just to face away from the pitch and look at his own fans. he could have waited a few days and done it at home...with no air fare involved.

Karen spotted you at full time wander over to the segregation next to the Aris fans, on your own, look over the balcony at their banner and give a look of complete disdain for it. It made us laugh anyway. Very macho John.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought their end looked like a Greek newsagent's.

[raoul_duke]

It's organised posing to impress other fans, nothing more. Fuck all to do with the team & everything to do with taking pictures & videos of themselves & showing off. If you like that sort of thing then good luck. Imo, if we beat Villa & play Everton, THAT will be a genuine football atmosphere with two sets of fans passionately involved in the game & living each move. Sure there will be many moments when it goes pretty quiet & It may not be anywhere near as constantly loud, but it will be louder when there's an attack or incident that matters in the game & it will be spontaneous football passion, not cheerleading.

It's nowhere near the loudest I've heard incidentally. Go back to the playoff semi at Maine Rd etc; I remember Jimmy Wagg on the BBC saying he took off his headphones & almost went deaf. Not a dirgy song in fake manly voices but 30 odd thousand going fucking berserk. Real passion, not a bit of a laugh & a party.

You're trying to make sense comparing irrelevant things; neither had we a competitive team to follow on their performance
nor 30 odd thousand attending on our behalf. Still we owned the place whether you like it or not.
Here you choose to define passion either by memories or future promises, how 'bout showing some of it in actual comparison.
Trying to speak the worst of what you saw last night goes way beyond common sense and you know it.
So spare us the blatant ego frenzy, sounds lame.

[1950]

Tbh, yes they made a lot of noise & were colourful but it's just a load of bullshit to me.

They're not supporting Aris at all, they're waving their dicks in the air saying 'look at us, aren't we wonderful?' It's not about the team, it's about them. Choreographed clapping, unfurling banners, it's like a big fucking Chinese pantomime. They didn't even bother giving the subs a polite round of applause because it hadn't been arranged with Lionel fucking Blair or whoever else coreographed the bollox.

Seen enough of it now, load of phoney, self indulgent shite. Give me spontaneous humour & genuine football passion over that pre determined posing crap anyday. Like a bunch of North Korean cheerleaders.

I agree

Do it when you score a goal, or 5-0 up...

Orchestration or choreography is essential when thousands of people want to produce a sound in tune.
Simple as that. It appears that kind of support goes far beyond your understanding.

We won't sing for them only when they score or win or make a good tackle. That's why it's done for
the full 90 mins regardless of their performance. It's a non-stop effort to make them feel they're playing
at home every single time. We don't expect anything from our team in return. It's unconditional love.
So do not despise what you can't reach, it's quite pathetic tbh.

It's organised posing to impress other fans, nothing more. Fuck all to do with the team & everything to do with taking pictures & videos of themselves & showing off. If you like that sort of thing then good luck. Imo, if we beat Villa & play Everton, THAT will be a genuine football atmosphere with two sets of fans passionately involved in the game & living each move. Sure there will be many moments when it goes pretty quiet & It may not be anywhere near as constantly loud, but it will be louder when there's an attack or incident that matters in the game & it will be spontaneous football passion, not cheerleading.

It's nowhere near the loudest I've heard incidentally. Go back to the playoff semi at Maine Rd etc; I remember Jimmy Wagg on the BBC saying he took off his headphones & almost went deaf. Not a dirgy song in fake manly voices but 30 odd thousand going fucking berserk. Real passion, not a bit of a laugh & a party.

Ted, that guy has a point. Supporting your team is more than just going berserk when they score or hit the bar or whatever. Everyone can do that. When a game turns dire, that's when the support is needed the most.
Sure, you don't have to do little dances and wave little flags, but there's nothing wrong with organised support. If done right, it can intimidate the opposition & at least it can be a little fun during a shite game, creating a little bit of atmosphere. To shrug it off as just posing is foolish.
Look at the 'Poznan'. It's really nothing special, but people are enjoying it. I bet they'd be up for other stuff, too.

[Ted Hughes]

Tbh, yes they made a lot of noise & were colourful but it's just a load of bullshit to me.

They're not supporting Aris at all, they're waving their dicks in the air saying 'look at us, aren't we wonderful?' It's not about the team, it's about them. Choreographed clapping, unfurling banners, it's like a big fucking Chinese pantomime. They didn't even bother giving the subs a polite round of applause because it hadn't been arranged with Lionel fucking Blair or whoever else coreographed the bollox.

Seen enough of it now, load of phoney, self indulgent shite. Give me spontaneous humour & genuine football passion over that pre determined posing crap anyday. Like a bunch of North Korean cheerleaders.

I agree

Do it when you score a goal, or 5-0 up...

Orchestration or choreography is essential when thousands of people want to produce a sound in tune.
Simple as that. It appears that kind of support goes far beyond your understanding.

We won't sing for them only when they score or win or make a good tackle. That's why it's done for
the full 90 mins regardless of their performance. It's a non-stop effort to make them feel they're playing
at home every single time. We don't expect anything from our team in return. It's unconditional love.
So do not despise what you can't reach, it's quite pathetic tbh.

It's organised posing to impress other fans, nothing more. Fuck all to do with the team & everything to do with taking pictures & videos of themselves & showing off. If you like that sort of thing then good luck. Imo, if we beat Villa & play Everton, THAT will be a genuine football atmosphere with two sets of fans passionately involved in the game & living each move. Sure there will be many moments when it goes pretty quiet & It may not be anywhere near as constantly loud, but it will be louder when there's an attack or incident that matters in the game & it will be spontaneous football passion, not cheerleading.

It's nowhere near the loudest I've heard incidentally. Go back to the playoff semi at Maine Rd etc; I remember Jimmy Wagg on the BBC saying he took off his headphones & almost went deaf. Not a dirgy song in fake manly voices but 30 odd thousand going fucking berserk. Real passion, not a bit of a laugh & a party.

Ted, that guy has a point. Supporting your team is more than just going berserk when they score or hit the bar or whatever. Everyone can do that. When a game turns dire, that's when the support is needed the most.
Sure, you don't have to do little dances and wave little flags, but there's nothing wrong with organised support. If done right, it can intimidate the opposition & at least it can be a little fun during a shite game, creating a little bit of atmosphere. To shrug it off as just posing is foolish.
Look at the 'Poznan'. It's really nothing special, but people are enjoying it. I bet they'd be up for other stuff, too.

Yes they would, so would I, & THAT would be a bit of occasional fun here & there whilst watching/supporting the team, not a 2 hour show for other fans whilst a game of football happens to be going on in the background. These characters are having a Youtube beauty contest with each other, that's what it's all about; "everyone look how great we are", "not bad but look at us, we have silver Christmas tree decorations & a chinese dragon", " that's shit we have a cascading waterfall effect made from genuine silver & a real dragon & our voices are deeper, especially the women"

[Yesterdays Game...]

I didn't mean it in a 'we need to get together before matches and practice clapping hands' or however you put it, more a 'I wish more people would get involved in the chanting and urging the team on when its quiet' I'm sure if I was out there and I had 40k cheering me on it would motivate me to make that last surging run or what not.

Not saying im right by any stretch but I don't feel like i've got my moneys worth unless I spent 60+ minutes singing about the team I love

[raoul_duke]

Nothing much to debate further on with you Ted, there's still plenty for you to learn about how support is done in places of the world other than England.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

It's not new that away fans sing more away from home. At Hamburg a couple of years ago a full half of "Never felt more like singing the blue" was spontaneous, fun and memorable. Especially the lone Blue leaping about in the home section just to our right.
Not sure I'd want all that choreographed stuff, but it made for a different atmosphere.

[1950]

Yes they would, so would I, & THAT would be a bit of occasional fun here & there whilst watching/supporting the team, not a 2 hour show for other fans whilst a game of football happens to be going on in the background. These characters are having a Youtube beauty contest with each other, that's what it's all about; "everyone look how great we are", "not bad but look at us, we have silver Christmas tree decorations & a chinese dragon", " that's shit we have a cascading waterfall effect made from genuine silver & a real dragon & our voices are deeper, especially the women"

"We have the best humour of all the fans!"

[Ted Hughes]

Nothing much to debate further on with you Ted, there's still plenty for you to learn about how support is done in places of the world other than England.

If you all enjoy it then good luck to you, there's no reason to debate it with me, it's none of my business.

[Alioune DVToure]

Poznan gave us the Poznan - and kindly refrained from shining military lasers in our players' eyes at set pieces. So Poznan.

[aladdinblue]

[quote="Original Dub"]Well, while I agree that they go over the top in that it goes on the whole time and atmosphere can't be measured in that way... the atmosphere we "create" at Eastlands is pathetic IMO. Absolutely shite.

And its something that definitely needs addressing because it definitely contributes to attendances and lets face it, that's what will make the club successful commercially and lead to a stdium expansion.

Personall, I think we are in dire need of new chants. Chants that lead on in a loop and get louder ala "you'll never walk alone" etc.

I've thought this since the first time I visited Maine Road and nothing has changed my mind since.

Every summer over here, the All Ireland GAA football creates an awesome atmosphere in Croke Park. Particularly the Dubs (no I'm not being biased!).

COME ON YOU BOYS IN BLUE

I agree that the atmosphere at Eastlands is often lousy but the best chants are simple ones that can be picked up by people all over the ground to add their voices to. Both Poznan and Aris supporters were great regardless of whether their support was choreographed or not. What I noticed most though was how repetitive their chants were - they just sang/chanted the same thing over and over again and they did it very loudly. Why can't we do that? Whatever happened to Ci-ty (clap clap clap) instead of that dire Come On City we sing which half sends me to sleep? Blue Moon and Mancini Wo-ah Wo-ho are OK but they're only sung by a fraction of the supporters as well. Surely we can come up with something simple and loud that everybody can do and that will help lift both our spirits and the spirits of the team xx

[john68]

Raoul,
My friend, I understand that you find it necessary to defend your club's fans and their support and I also understand that you are very proud of the noise/atmosphere that they create. However my friend, it is not Ted that shows a lack of knowledge about this but yourself and with your kind permission, I will respectfully attempt to explain.

In the 1960's, at most English grounds, singing choirs evolved. Whole groups of fans, many thousands more than you have, would congregate, sing and chant in support of their team. At Maine Road (our old ground) The Kippax Street held around 30,000 standing fans, most of whom would join in. On occasions, the whole ground, sometimes as many as 60,000 would join in and create a massive wall of sound....But there was a major difference and this difference is what Ted refers to.

Most important, was that the noise was reactive and relevent to the game on the field. The crowd had specific chants and songs for specific players and specific incidents. If a player did something well. a crescendo of noise and a song and a chant would result to cheer him. If City attacked, the noise levels rose. If a goal was scored, the noise levels exploded. Certain players of opposing teams would be targetted and opponents' weaknesses would be targetted. Opposing players visibly wilted when the played alongside the Kippax Street. We lifted our team constantly. IT WAS ALL SPONTANIOUS AND AT NO POINT WAS IT NECESSARY FOR A CHOREOGRAPHER TO CONDUCT US.

Last night, I sat above and next to you fans, which gave me an excellent view of events. Your fans were loud and constant but they didn't support your team, they simply sang like a choir with a repetoire. The noise levels never rose when City scored to lift you team to greater heights and better efforts. There was no reaction to events on the field...it seemed quite emotionless. You came to sing and that is what you did.

Some years ago, in another sport, The fans at Bradford were very loud at their own ground. On the pitch they had a guy who conducted them, he told them what to sing and when to sing. The Salford fans found it amusing that they needed to be told this and the Salford fans sang to them that night....

Maybe City fans should have copied the Salford fans of that game,to your fans last night.
"SING WHEN YOU'RE TOLD TO...YOU ONLY SING WHEN YOU'RE TOLD TO...etc"