Yaya's goal last night

[blues-clues]

Here's a thought. You give a complete novice a decent golf club and a decent golf ball and one shot.

If they hit it flush out of the middle of the club dead straight then that is luck. End of story.

You give a pro golfer the same club and ball and they hit it dead straight it is skill, the result of years and years of training and practice.

Set pieces? No different. Beckham scored plenty of free kicks, so did Ronaldo, hours of practice.

If you dont practice corners and set pieces then the outcome is more down to good old lady luck. I know Doug doesn't tell us everything they do at Carrington but I dont get the impression they do enough attack against defence with corners, free kicks and thrown ins.

All of this is my opinion, nothing radical or controversial and I dont really understand the point of this thread but I do think City dont show enough creativity at set pieces and given the obvious talent in the squad make enough from corners in particular.

[zuricity]

Well rag- hater I stayed away from your first thread, if only because too many jumped on you . I think you are right, it's just that your argument , rather the way you made your point was a bit unlucky.

At the moment very few new threads are being created because times are less turbulent for city.
So most moaners seek to find a minute fault in what is basically a fairly solid argument and jump on it.

Yaya's goal was deflected and lucky. Case in point ? Rooney's goal against city last week.

Don't expect an apology, it won't happen.

Btw, I think Balo is brilliant, edin is the best thing since sliced bread and that silva is top dollar. I also think we shouldn't sell teves for less than 60 mill.

[Ted Hughes]

Well rag- hater I stayed away from your first thread, if only because too many jumped on you . I think you are right, it's just that your argument , rather the way you made your point was a bit unlucky.

At the moment very few new threads are being created because times are less turbulent for city.
So most moaners seek to find a minute fault in what is basically a fairly solid argument and jump on it.
Yaya's goal was deflected and lucky. Case in point ? Rooney's goal against city last week.

Don't expect an apology, it won't happen.

Btw, I think Balo is brilliant, edin is the best thing since sliced bread and that silva is top dollar. I also think we shouldn't sell teves for less than 60 mill.

Why in God's name would he deserve an apology?

His argument wasn't about Yaya's goal, which indeed was quite fortunate, he was clearly refering to a previous thread &, rather underhandedly, using that to prove a point he made earlier which was; scoring from set pieces is down to luck & the only reason we haven't scored that many is (quote) 'fuck all' to do with our play & purely down to luck. Utd score more because they are lucky apparently.

It wasn't 'his thread' either; some of us were discussing corners etc & he joined the discussion, telling us we should sign Rory Delap & various other such helpful & intelligent contributions. Nobody jumped on his thread, he joined a discussion on headed goals.

If you agree with what he says then that's up to you, but an apology? Yeah right.

[the_georgian_genius]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

[zuricity]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

I think this is what rag-hater has been trying to say all along, but didn't formulate it quite so. This is why I like seeing players run at the defense when it's packed, one trip , one false tackle and it's a penalty, or a shot deflection. However, like arsenal sometimes we pussyfoot around passing on the edge of the box for too long.

[Rag_hater]

the technique was spot on, hit it hard and low in to a crowd of players and likley hood is it will get through and probably pick up a deflection on it's way. If we were 0-0 or losing you could question the decision, 2-0 up it was the right thing to do

Probably assumes nothing definate,so whether it was the right thing to do or not in your opinion does not deflect from the fact a certain amount of luck was needed to achieve hitting the ball with spot on technique and luck is the issue that is up for debate.

That goal was a bit lucky as the keeper MAY well have saved it. What wasn't lucky was Kolarov hitting the 1st man with every corner or blazing over the bar from free kcks when we had 5 players lined up to head in v a small team. That was shite & most other teams would do better.

If a goal is deflected, it has an element of luck about it, whether it's a set piece or not. If the ball is passed & someone intentionally hits it on target & scores without a lucky deflection etc, then obviously it's not lucky, irrespective whether it's a set piece or not. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, as it's obvious.

You don't need to be an 'expert' to know this stuff, everyone bar you & your mate knows it. Ask them.

I'd say you have it wrong again and someone with your expertise shouldn't make such basic errors.You say if the is no deflection and its on target and a goal is scored then its obviously not lucky.I'd say your wrong,lets take goalkeepers for this example.
Lets begin with the case of:
Paul Robinson in England vs Croatia,
Scot Carson against England vs Croatia
David Seaman the WC game and Goofy did him,no bobbles,no deflections just a soft shot.
David James against they mighty Austria,
I'm sure there's more, like the own goals our own legedary Richard scored and all are examples of bad luck in this case.Luck nontheless.
Luck and skill are linked.
And there are some teams and players who are luckier than others.
To dismiss it in an aim to make me look foolish ain't doing you any favours.
There's examples of some kind of luck in every game.

I was hoping that you wouln't be so pedantic & would stick with the discussion we were having which was relative to the difference between set piece (particularly corners) type goals & goals from open play. I'm not trying to make you look foolish by saying luck doesn't play a part, as that isn't my opinion. We weren't disagreeing that luck can affect games, of course it can, the disagreement is relative to your claim that set pieces are down to luck. Of course goalkeeping could come into it, as could the weather, acts of God, whether the sriker has an attack of the shits as he's about to kick the ball, whether nuclear war breaks out or the player is put off by a shapely pair of tits in the crowd or the goalkeeper could be distracted by a pelican landing on the roof of the Kippax.

However, none of those things would make a set piece any luckier than a goal from open play as they could all apply to both, equally. They are both subject to the same laws of fortune, good or bad & neither is any more or less lucky than the other, a deflection is a deflection, a clean strike is a clean strike, whether from open play or from a set piece. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

I on the other hand, am unlucky or stupid enough to have allowed myself to once again get into a discussion with you. It has now become social work & I'm not getting paid for it.

Thankyou for being so Christian with your unpaid work and so patient with me.
I suppose the difference of opinion is down to what ones defination of luck is.
What I consider to be luck seems to be different to what you do.
And thanks Zuricity for the support its nice to have a little support whilst I'm ploughing this lonely furrow.

[Ted Hughes]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

I think this is what rag-hater has been trying to say all along, but didn't formulate it quite so. This is why I like seeing players run at the defense when it's packed, one trip , one false tackle and it's a penalty, or a shot deflection. However, like arsenal sometimes we pussyfoot around passing on the edge of the box for too long.

No it tsn't. He is saying the complete opposite. As I've said, this thread refers to another one.

[Rag_hater]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

I think this is what rag-hater has been trying to say all along, but didn't formulate it quite so. This is why I like seeing players run at the defense when it's packed, one trip , one false tackle and it's a penalty, or a shot deflection. However, like arsenal sometimes we pussyfoot around passing on the edge of the box for too long.

No it tsn't. He is saying the complete opposite. As I've said, this thread refers to another one.

I think you should read what's been said again because what georgian_genius and I have said is not to dissimilar when broken down.The difference is he says he thinks there is a deliberate intent when a player shoots into a crowded box(calculated gamble,as John put it)(luck as I see it)but intent of some sort.Thats where we disagree.A player can aim to do one thing and something else happens but if it still leads to a positive outcome then the result can be the same.However the point he makes about both players he refers to not being able to repeat their feats is correct I think.The reason why for me is because that circumstance of luck cannot be repeated and I can't figure out his reason.
So the complete opposite,no.
I think players count on sometimes being lucky to achieve what they intend and its a calclated gamble but nontheless nothing is guaranteed and a number of results will be the outcome depending on the amount of luck befalls the player.

[Ted Hughes]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

I think this is what rag-hater has been trying to say all along, but didn't formulate it quite so. This is why I like seeing players run at the defense when it's packed, one trip , one false tackle and it's a penalty, or a shot deflection. However, like arsenal sometimes we pussyfoot around passing on the edge of the box for too long.

No it tsn't. He is saying the complete opposite. As I've said, this thread refers to another one.

I think you should read what's been said again because what georgian_genius and I have said is not to dissimilar when broken down.The difference is he says he thinks there is a deliberate intent when a player shoots into a crowded box(calculated gamble,as John put it)(luck as I see it)but intent of some sort.Thats where we disagree.A player can aim to do one thing and something else happens but if it still leads to a positive outcome then the result can be the same.However the point he makes about both players he refers to not being able to repeat their feats is correct I think.The reason why for me is because that circumstance of luck cannot be repeated and I can't figure out his reason.
So the complete opposite,no.
I think players count on sometimes being lucky to achieve what they intend and its a calclated gamble but nontheless nothing is guaranteed and a number of results will be the outcome depending on the amount of luck befalls the player.

We were talking specifically about corners & headers etc & you said it was 'pub football' & that set pieces were down to luck. That is the ONLY reason we were talking about 'luck'. Surely you're not going to now pretend that you were saying something else? You brought up Rory Delap & stuff like that to illustrate your point. You then started this thread, refering to that earlier disciussion and suggesting Yaya's goal was proof that you were right. Are you not going to have the decency to admit what the discussion was actually about?

[Rag_hater]

If Yaya's goal was luck then so was Rooney's in the derby and so is any long distance strike. The reason for this is you ask both players to repeat their goal and they wouldn't be able to. Yaya meant to hit it on target and he got a deflection that took it past the keeper, but all players know this when they shoot, why do you think the rags get alot of last minute goals? It isn't stuffy, they know if you blast the ball towards goal in a crowded box that it is bound to get a deflection of some sort that won't allow anyone to react to it in time, that is why Lampard has scored 20 goals a season for the last 6 years, he isn't lucky. The same with Rooney, he knew that if he got good connection on the ball and aimed it towards goal it would go in, he didn't spot the cross and think "right this is going in the top corner" nor did he think that when he scored that beauty v Newcastle and nor did Nicals Jensen when he scored that screamer against Leeds, if you get a good connection on it and it is on target either side of the keeper then it is more than likely to go in.

I think this is what rag-hater has been trying to say all along, but didn't formulate it quite so. This is why I like seeing players run at the defense when it's packed, one trip , one false tackle and it's a penalty, or a shot deflection. However, like arsenal sometimes we pussyfoot around passing on the edge of the box for too long.

No it tsn't. He is saying the complete opposite. As I've said, this thread refers to another one.

I think you should read what's been said again because what georgian_genius and I have said is not to dissimilar when broken down.The difference is he says he thinks there is a deliberate intent when a player shoots into a crowded box(calculated gamble,as John put it)(luck as I see it)but intent of some sort.Thats where we disagree.A player can aim to do one thing and something else happens but if it still leads to a positive outcome then the result can be the same.However the point he makes about both players he refers to not being able to repeat their feats is correct I think.The reason why for me is because that circumstance of luck cannot be repeated and I can't figure out his reason.
So the complete opposite,no.
I think players count on sometimes being lucky to achieve what they intend and its a calclated gamble but nontheless nothing is guaranteed and a number of results will be the outcome depending on the amount of luck befalls the player.

We were talking specifically about corners & headers etc & you said it was 'pub football' & that set pieces were down to luck. That is the ONLY reason we were talking about 'luck'. Surely you're not going to now pretend that you were saying something else? You brought up Rory Delap & stuff like that to illustrate your point. You then started this thread, refering to that earlier disciussion and suggesting Yaya's goal was proof that you were right. Are you not going to have the decency to admit what the discussion was actually about?

The discussion was specifically about corners and headers was it and I brought up Delap who is famous for his throws which are a bit different from corners don't you think.The bit about me saying it was down to luck you seem to have told right.So I'm not pretending anything there.
And iirc you named a number of people who you said I should confim I was a fool for thinking luck played a part in set pieces and then admitting that the there was some luck in the goal Yaya scored from a set piece.That's why I referred you back to it as you seem to be struggling with your memory referring to the Kippax earlier when we left there quite a few years ago now.
I'll admit that this thread is a follow on from the art of taking corners and 3 goals if you think its so underhand,personally don't see why if the debate isn't finished.

[Ted Hughes]

I think that the goals we scored yesterday with headers will probably be our lot for the rest of the season.Maybe we will get a few more but in all likelihood over the season I should imagine out of all the goals we score only a certain percentage will be with headers.No matter how good the delivery is the way these things pan out is that a goalie will either save them or some other factor will come into play. And I think there is a cieling on how many headers will go in.Unless the only thing we do is lob it at head height into the box all the time and forget about our passing game its not gonna happen.

I didn't say we or the other lot won't get anymore headers.I said there is only a certain % of goals any team gets that are scored from headers.And that we are getting near that figure.

Out of 103 goals Chelski scored last year the 8 or 9 they got from headers made the champs.
Cahill pretty dangerous from set pieces.Where are Toffees?
Lets make a bid for him so we can be as dangerous and Delap while were at it.

I'm not saying that at all.I'm saying we are like every other fucker sometimes your'e lucky most of the time your'e not.Scoring from set pieces is luck,and we have had shit luck at this year.Its fuckall about being more dangerous at them we are doing everything right.We just haven't had the luck.

Yes we were talking about corners & you sir, are a liar..

Btw, there was once a Pelican landed on the roof at Maine Rd & some say it put Joe Corrigan off when he fumbled a corner. That's what I was jovially refering to when I mentioned the Kippax you ignorant tosser.

[Rag_hater]

I think that the goals we scored yesterday with headers will probably be our lot for the rest of the season.Maybe we will get a few more but in all likelihood over the season I should imagine out of all the goals we score only a certain percentage will be with headers.No matter how good the delivery is the way these things pan out is that a goalie will either save them or some other factor will come into play. And I think there is a cieling on how many headers will go in.Unless the only thing we do is lob it at head height into the box all the time and forget about our passing game its not gonna happen.

I didn't say we or the other lot won't get anymore headers.I said there is only a certain % of goals any team gets that are scored from headers.And that we are getting near that figure.

Out of 103 goals Chelski scored last year the 8 or 9 they got from headers made the champs.
Cahill pretty dangerous from set pieces.Where are Toffees?
Lets make a bid for him so we can be as dangerous and Delap while were at it.

I'm not saying that at all.I'm saying we are like every other fucker sometimes your'e lucky most of the time your'e not.Scoring from set pieces is luck,and we have had shit luck at this year.Its fuckall about being more dangerous at them we are doing everything right.We just haven't had the luck.

Yes we were talking about corners & you sir, are a liar..

Btw, there was once a Pelican landed on the roof at Maine Rd & some say it put Joe Corrigan off when he fumbled a corner. That's what I was jovially refering to when I mentioned the Kippax you ignorant tosser.

Take's one to know one

[bluej]

I think that the goals we scored yesterday with headers will probably be our lot for the rest of the season.Maybe we will get a few more but in all likelihood over the season I should imagine out of all the goals we score only a certain percentage will be with headers.No matter how good the delivery is the way these things pan out is that a goalie will either save them or some other factor will come into play. And I think there is a cieling on how many headers will go in.Unless the only thing we do is lob it at head height into the box all the time and forget about our passing game its not gonna happen.

I didn't say we or the other lot won't get anymore headers.I said there is only a certain % of goals any team gets that are scored from headers.And that we are getting near that figure.

Out of 103 goals Chelski scored last year the 8 or 9 they got from headers made the champs.
Cahill pretty dangerous from set pieces.Where are Toffees?
Lets make a bid for him so we can be as dangerous and Delap while were at it.

I'm not saying that at all.I'm saying we are like every other fucker sometimes your'e lucky most of the time your'e not.Scoring from set pieces is luck,and we have had shit luck at this year.Its fuckall about being more dangerous at them we are doing everything right.We just haven't had the luck.

Yes we were talking about corners & you sir, are a liar..

Btw, there was once a Pelican landed on the roof at Maine Rd & some say it put Joe Corrigan off when he fumbled a corner. That's what I was jovially refering to when I mentioned the Kippax you ignorant tosser.

I'm glad you've taken the time to find those quotes, because this is exactly what I've been trying to argue against, the idea that goals from set pieces are 'lucky'.

[Rag_hater]

I think that the goals we scored yesterday with headers will probably be our lot for the rest of the season.Maybe we will get a few more but in all likelihood over the season I should imagine out of all the goals we score only a certain percentage will be with headers.No matter how good the delivery is the way these things pan out is that a goalie will either save them or some other factor will come into play. And I think there is a cieling on how many headers will go in.Unless the only thing we do is lob it at head height into the box all the time and forget about our passing game its not gonna happen.

I didn't say we or the other lot won't get anymore headers.I said there is only a certain % of goals any team gets that are scored from headers.And that we are getting near that figure.

Out of 103 goals Chelski scored last year the 8 or 9 they got from headers made the champs.
Cahill pretty dangerous from set pieces.Where are Toffees?
Lets make a bid for him so we can be as dangerous and Delap while were at it.

I'm not saying that at all.I'm saying we are like every other fucker sometimes your'e lucky most of the time your'e not.Scoring from set pieces is luck,and we have had shit luck at this year.Its fuckall about being more dangerous at them we are doing everything right.We just haven't had the luck.

Yes we were talking about corners & you sir, are a liar..

Btw, there was once a Pelican landed on the roof at Maine Rd & some say it put Joe Corrigan off when he fumbled a corner. That's what I was jovially refering to when I mentioned the Kippax you ignorant tosser.

I'm glad you've taken the time to find those quotes, because this is exactly what I've been trying to argue against, the idea that goals from set pieces are 'lucky'.

Well I'm glad aswell cos it shows that if anything I have stuck to what I said in the other thread.Maybe it seemed as if there was an exaggeration on my part and the impression was given that I thught all headers from corners that resulted in a goal were lucky,that's not quite what I mean't.However Yaya's goal for me shows that an element of luck a lot of times leads to a goal Now whether the deflection was intended(I think very unlikely) or accidental(lucky cos it sent the goalie the wrong way) our expert said he thought it had an element of luck to it,which is contrary to what he said before.I will stick by my statement and I do think that goals from corners a number of times are because of luck.If your telling me that you think Yaya's goal did not have any luck in it then we have a difference of opinion.

[Original Dub]

Why do you purposely try to wind everyone up on here Mr Hater?

Its really sad to be honest.

Any fuckwit with half a brain knows there is an element of luck, not only to set pieces, not only to football as a whole, but to life itself.

The way you are trying to say that Ted, or anyone, does not believe this is pathetic mate.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

My brain definitely hurts.

[Rag_hater]

Why do you purposely try to wind everyone up on here Mr Hater?

Its really sad to be honest.

Any fuckwit with half a brain knows there is an element of luck, not only to set pieces, not only to football as a whole, but to life itself.

The way you are trying to say that Ted, or anyone, does not believe this is pathetic mate.

So having a different opinion to you winds you up.Pathetic pal.

Now back to why I started this thread.
Mr.Poet said I was foolish and should stop taking bollocks when I said I think that luck plays a part in set plays and corners.
He also highlighted some words he quoted of mine saying luck was a part of set plays and then suggesting I was refering to corners and we should buy Delap who is known for his throw-ins.A bit of a lie whilst calling me a liar for sticking to what I had said.
Then after saying what I had said about set plays was bollocks he said later that Yaya's goal was in part down to luck.
So who is it that changes what they say to fit the argument.Something a lot of members are having to do when confronted by the facts.
If its winding you up.Hard luck

[Ted Hughes]

Why do you purposely try to wind everyone up on here Mr Hater?

Its really sad to be honest.

Any fuckwit with half a brain knows there is an element of luck, not only to set pieces, not only to football as a whole, but to life itself.

The way you are trying to say that Ted, or anyone, does not believe this is pathetic mate.

So having a different opinion to you winds you up.Pathetic pal.

Now back to why I started this thread.
Mr.Poet said I was foolish and should stop taking bollocks when I said I think that luck plays a part in set plays and corners.
He also highlighted some words he quoted of mine saying luck was a part of set plays and then suggesting I was refering to corners and we should buy Delap who is known for his throw-ins.A bit of a lie whilst calling me a liar for sticking to what I had said.
Then after saying what I had said about set plays was bollocks he said later that Yaya's goal was in part down to luck.
So who is it that changes what they say to fit the argument.Something a lot of members are having to do when confronted by the facts.
If its winding you up.Hard luck

I've directly copied & pasted what you actually posted, it's there for everyone to see, yet you're still telling lies about it & pretending you posted something else. If you don't believe what you're saying, then why post it in the 1st place? Are you just purely trying to disagree with people for the sake of it in order to cause an argument?

I don't understand what you're trying to achieve. We were having a sensible discussion about headed goals & set pieces, then you joined in. The rest is in your imagination.

[Original Dub]

Why do you purposely try to wind everyone up on here Mr Hater?

Its really sad to be honest.

Any fuckwit with half a brain knows there is an element of luck, not only to set pieces, not only to football as a whole, but to life itself.

The way you are trying to say that Ted, or anyone, does not believe this is pathetic mate.

So having a different opinion to you winds you up.Pathetic pal.

Now back to why I started this thread.
Mr.Poet said I was foolish and should stop taking bollocks when I said I think that luck plays a part in set plays and corners.
He also highlighted some words he quoted of mine saying luck was a part of set plays and then suggesting I was refering to corners and we should buy Delap who is known for his throw-ins.A bit of a lie whilst calling me a liar for sticking to what I had said.
Then after saying what I had said about set plays was bollocks he said later that Yaya's goal was in part down to luck.
So who is it that changes what they say to fit the argument.Something a lot of members are having to do when confronted by the facts.
If its winding you up.Hard luck

First of all, I said you were TRYING to wind people up, not that you have been successful at it, so stop trying to suck your own cock just for a minute on that note.

I'll paste this for you again then:

Any fuckwit with half a brain knows there is an element of luck, not only to set pieces, not only to football as a whole, but to life itself.

So what is the fucking point of your whole argument?