Mancini - 50 Not Out

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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:56 pm

13021J wrote:I can't see David Silva going home after training and logging onto the OS to watch Mancini's press conferences and then this forming the basis of his level of morale etc - in fact many footballers don't even read the papers (lack of literacy skills?).

I think the one-on-one interactions around training and match days are what really counts.

Press conferences are bland and just an exercise in not saying anything controversial and dropping the club/players/yourself in it i.e. a minefield.

Having said that Mancini's pressers are very formulaic and estra bland, but it is funny to see him giving an answer to a question that was never asked and then the interviewer hesitates to delve deeper due to his 'broken' English - sneeky sneeky



SKY Sports is on permanently at Carrington so you can safely say that anything Mancini,or anyone else at City,says that gets on tv will be seen by every player.And understood.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Original Dub » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:02 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Its a fact that the more you talk about something, the more it sets in as a mindset. If you're surrounded by people in a room telling you how tired they are, you'll feed off that energy (or lack of it).

Every interview Wenger (& Baconface when he's available to comment!) gives after a below par performance is ulitmately positive going forward. If you pay close attention, you will see in every interview, Wenger nearly always mentions the words "quality" and "belief" - even in defeat.

There HAS to be an absolute BELIEF in what we are trying to achieve and that has to be expressed from top to bottom in the build up and aftermath of EVERY game if we want to achieve the highest goals, because mentality is infectious.

Don't tell people you're tired every week, because even if you're not, it will give the opposition belief. IMO we should be telling every cunt that tiredness isn't a factor whan you're as pumped up and strong as this club is.


I don't understand why people don't 'get' this. The alternative argument is that psychology in football doesn't exist & that there's nothing a manager can do or say that can have an effect on his team or on opponents.


Exactly, they don't have a fucking clue. Bob thinks Wenger isn't a successful manager and certainly doesn't put any of it down to his positive psychology.

Bob - if a manager who has won us as much as Wenger has for Arsenal lost a final to Brum in the fashion they did, I wouldn't be calling for him to be sacked.

Take your toungue out of mancini's arse for a second and cop on.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby the_georgian_genius » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:20 pm

Does anyone on here know what Mancini says to his players in the dressing room?
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:32 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:Does anyone on here know what Mancini says to his players in the dressing room?


Nothing. He puts a laptop in the middle and presses play on all of his pre and post match interviews. The players cry. It's all pretty depressing. We'll never win anything.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:37 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:Does anyone on here know what Mancini says to his players in the dressing room?


You mean like "I know I've said you're all tired, but I didn't mean it" stuff like that?
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby BobKowalski » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:42 pm

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Taggart has in his tenure blamed scheduling of games - either too early on a Saturday or too late on a Saturday (especially when rivals play first and win). He has accused the League of deliberately hampering MU in their quest for success. Taggart has 'whinged' about everything and everything including the fucking colour of MU's strip for a bad result/and poor performances. He has whinged about fixture pile up; playing too many games, international call ups, hostile media and referees. You name it. Taggart has 'whinged' about it. For some reason this appears not to have dented (unfortunately) MU's ability to win trophies.


While your post has many many holes in it, it's very long and I can't really be arsed replying to the lot. I would like to point out however that Mancini has had his whinge and put it firmly on the players themselves. Whether it be scheduling, an FA conspiracy or such, he has outwardly stated it's the players who are tired.

Taggart as you have listed, goes to great lengths to blame everyone under the sun except his players.

You can argue it's semantics, that there is a causal effect there and you may have a point, but do you think it's my accident or design that Bacon does this?


By design I would say. Deflection from a performance or result is standard procedure.

I notice that Mancini saying we are playing too many games and players are 'tired' is 'putting it firmly on the players'. Yet I thought the thrust of the complaint is that Mancini was giving the players an easy cop out for a sub-par performance?

Or is he doing both? Mancini is such a tease..

Anyway that is surely this subject done to death. Well at least until Mancini's next press conference I guess :)
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby the_georgian_genius » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:45 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:Does anyone on here know what Mancini says to his players in the dressing room?


You mean like "I know I've said you're all tired, but I didn't mean it" stuff like that?


Not excatly, what managers say to their players and what they say in the dressing room are two different things. Do you think Mancini said to the players in the lead up to the Chelsea game back in September that they were playing the team that was going to win the league like he said to the press?
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:15 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Its a fact that the more you talk about something, the more it sets in as a mindset. If you're surrounded by people in a room telling you how tired they are, you'll feed off that energy (or lack of it).

Every interview Wenger (& Baconface when he's available to comment!) gives after a below par performance is ulitmately positive going forward. If you pay close attention, you will see in every interview, Wenger nearly always mentions the words "quality" and "belief" - even in defeat.

There HAS to be an absolute BELIEF in what we are trying to achieve and that has to be expressed from top to bottom in the build up and aftermath of EVERY game if we want to achieve the highest goals, because mentality is infectious.

Don't tell people you're tired every week, because even if you're not, it will give the opposition belief. IMO we should be telling every cunt that tiredness isn't a factor whan you're as pumped up and strong as this club is.


I don't understand why people don't 'get' this. The alternative argument is that psychology in football doesn't exist & that there's nothing a manager can do or say that can have an effect on his team or on opponents.


Because we do get it. What we don't get is the bizarre assumption that Mancini's rather bland press conferences represent the sum total of his interaction with the players or that anything he does say to them during trainings sessions, pre match, post match or sharing a piss with them in the bog is somehow nullified by the fact that they are obsessing over what he said the day before in his presser. Like I doubt any of them even watch the fucking thing and in some cases as its all in English can even understand the fucking thing.


Well that's more utter bollocks isn't it? You really don't have an argument do you?

So, you know for a fact that every single footballer thinks like you? None of them will agree with what some of us are saying? Micah would be saying the same thing if he was playing under Ferguson or Mourinho? No club gains anything by presenting a positive front to the outside world & future opponents rather than a negative one? Future opponents are not influenced whatsoever by the image a club portrays & it never has any influence on their confidence? The supporters aren't more 'up' for the games when the team presents a confident face & their confidence doesn't then in turn help the players? Positive psychology in football is basically bollocks?

If I was to accept your point, (rather than ignoring it like you do with all of mine & even though I think it's nonsense ) that the players don't take any notice of him, can you explain then, exactly how Bob's comments are a good thing for the club, the attitude of supporters or the preception of our club by the opposition? How about the perception of our club in the media, improved by his comments? If you can't find ANY positives & can't properly address any of those points would it not be better for everyone concerned if he stopped fucking whinging about his problems & said something positive instead?




The fans are a different matter because all we want to hear is good news and reassurance. We need reassurance because we are terrified its all going to go tits and people will be back to laughing at us. The fans are pretty much a basket case and any hint, sign, statement that things are a bit tough and we go into meltdown mode and we project that onto the players.

I doubt if Mancini fully understands this and I hope he doesn't because the last thing we need is the manager becoming a basket case along with the rest of us.



So basically you seem to agree that this negative shite has an undesirable effect but because it's Mancini & he can have no faults, rather than agreeing with me that he should cut it out, you choose the option of hoping he never realises it's having a negative effect. And you think that's a normal & even handed view & I'm the one who's taking an extreme position?

I suppose that's the nearest you're going to get to answering the question of whether it helps us. At long last though, even you admit it's counter productive, but your opinion is that you don't care as Bob's mental state is all that matters to you & you prefer he remains ignorant of the fact. That's a very very weird attitude but fair enough; why did you bother arguing in the 1st place though? Could have saved us both a lot of typing.

Btw, seeing as you brought up Baconface; when Ferguson whinges about too many games etc, don't we ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL see it as a sign that Utd have problems & are vulnerable? Aren't we often right? Won't we say it again if he starts it now?

P.S. Intresting listening to Rafa tonight pre match btw. He said the Madrid press are trying to spread stories saying that Barca are tired. I wonder why they would do that ? If it was us, they could just ask the manager of course.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby aaron bond » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:46 am

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Its a fact that the more you talk about something, the more it sets in as a mindset. If you're surrounded by people in a room telling you how tired they are, you'll feed off that energy (or lack of it).

Every interview Wenger (& Baconface when he's available to comment!) gives after a below par performance is ulitmately positive going forward. If you pay close attention, you will see in every interview, Wenger nearly always mentions the words "quality" and "belief" - even in defeat.

There HAS to be an absolute BELIEF in what we are trying to achieve and that has to be expressed from top to bottom in the build up and aftermath of EVERY game if we want to achieve the highest goals, because mentality is infectious.

Don't tell people you're tired every week, because even if you're not, it will give the opposition belief. IMO we should be telling every cunt that tiredness isn't a factor whan you're as pumped up and strong as this club is.


I don't understand why people don't 'get' this. The alternative argument is that psychology in football doesn't exist & that there's nothing a manager can do or say that can have an effect on his team or on opponents.


Exactly, they don't have a fucking clue. Bob thinks Wenger isn't a successful manager and certainly doesn't put any of it down to his positive psychology.

Bob - if a manager who has won us as much as Wenger has for Arsenal lost a final to Brum in the fashion they did, I wouldn't be calling for him to be sacked.

Take your toungue out of mancini's arse for a second and cop on.


I can 100% guarantee if Wenger has our manager and we hadn't won anything for 5/6 years, there would be loads of fans on here calling for him to be sacked, despite what he may have won for us previously.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Tokyo Blue » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:46 am

Do the players take any notice of what is said in the pre-match press conferences?
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:15 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:Do the players take any notice of what is said in the pre-match press conferences?


Would you take any notice when the bloke who picks you for the team & decides your future speaks in public or would you somehow manage to ignore it? Be a bit bizarre if they didn't listen too & have an opinion on what their manager says.

Whether they take notice of it or not though, we do & he could show us a bit of backbone & create a bit more anticipation. Under most previous managers, the place would be rocking now. Bob is killing off the excitement rather than using the fans to help the team win. It's all part of being a top manager, not just about tactics. He has a big asset in us & he's not using it.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby CityFanFromRome » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:15 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:Do the players take any notice of what is said in the pre-match press conferences?

According to Football Manager they do.

Seriously, I think they of course know what is said in such press conferences but I don't think they let it affect them too much. They work with the manager all week so they will already know what he thinks on most subjects.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:01 am

Anticipation is beginning to rise among City fans, who last saw their team secure a major trophy in 1976 when the League Cup was lifted.

Dynamo stepped down from the UEFA Champions League after losing to Ajax in the play-offs and Mancini said: "The Europa League is a great competition.

"There are big teams in it. You can get to the quarter-finals and meet an important team.

"There are a lot of well-known sides in the competition. All the teams we can play usually play in the Champions League. It is a little Champions League. All the teams are big ones."

Liking it Bob, buids anticipation, like it..keep going boy...I think we may get away with it...



Mancini would love two trophies as well as a place in the Champions League next season but knows it will be tough.

Oh oh.........

He said: "We will try to reach the final if it is possible, both in the Europa League and the FA Cup. It depends on our players recovering their strength."

Owwww....so close...unlucky.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Original Dub » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:27 am

aaron bond wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Its a fact that the more you talk about something, the more it sets in as a mindset. If you're surrounded by people in a room telling you how tired they are, you'll feed off that energy (or lack of it).

Every interview Wenger (& Baconface when he's available to comment!) gives after a below par performance is ulitmately positive going forward. If you pay close attention, you will see in every interview, Wenger nearly always mentions the words "quality" and "belief" - even in defeat.

There HAS to be an absolute BELIEF in what we are trying to achieve and that has to be expressed from top to bottom in the build up and aftermath of EVERY game if we want to achieve the highest goals, because mentality is infectious.

Don't tell people you're tired every week, because even if you're not, it will give the opposition belief. IMO we should be telling every cunt that tiredness isn't a factor whan you're as pumped up and strong as this club is.


I don't understand why people don't 'get' this. The alternative argument is that psychology in football doesn't exist & that there's nothing a manager can do or say that can have an effect on his team or on opponents.


Exactly, they don't have a fucking clue. Bob thinks Wenger isn't a successful manager and certainly doesn't put any of it down to his positive psychology.

Bob - if a manager who has won us as much as Wenger has for Arsenal lost a final to Brum in the fashion they did, I wouldn't be calling for him to be sacked.

Take your toungue out of mancini's arse for a second and cop on.


I can 100% guarantee if Wenger has our manager and we hadn't won anything for 5/6 years, there would be loads of fans on here calling for him to be sacked, despite what he may have won for us previously.


Of course, but then again, if Wenger had spent what Mancini has, I don't think we'd be waiting 5/6 years to win a trophy, so it wouldn't be an issue.

Positive psychology in football works in your favour. I think anyone who disagrees with that is either crazy, or hates saying anything negative about Mancini. Its the only plausible explanation I can think of.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby blues2win » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:55 pm

Gary Owen joins the chorus saying STFU about being tired.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... wen_column
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:59 pm

blues2win wrote:Gary Owen joins the chorus saying STFU about being tired.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... wen_column



His views are echoed by most ex pro's.

Messi has already played 40 odd games apparently.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby the_georgian_genius » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:01 pm

Ted you haven't answered my question to you yet!
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby BobKowalski » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:17 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
blues2win wrote:Gary Owen joins the chorus saying STFU about being tired.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... wen_column



His views are echoed by most ex pro's.

Messi has already played 40 odd games apparently.


Without reading it...

..odds are he mentions back in his day they played 3 games a week, smoked tabs, drank pints at half-time and still whupped the foreigners

Ok now read it

Damn no mention of tabs or pints - oh well can't win them all

Not a fan of sports scientists either it seems but it is nice to see Gary is anxiously worrying like the rest of us :)
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:35 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
blues2win wrote:Gary Owen joins the chorus saying STFU about being tired.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... wen_column



His views are echoed by most ex pro's.

Messi has already played 40 odd games apparently.


Without reading it...

..odds are he mentions back in his day they played 3 games a week, smoked tabs, drank pints at half-time and still whupped the foreigners

Ok now read it

Damn no mention of tabs or pints - oh well can't win them all

Not a fan of sports scientists either it seems but it is nice to see Gary is anxiously worrying like the rest of us :)



Worrying about what though Bob?

I wish Roberto Mancini would stop talking about how tired his players are – they might start believing him!
If you start talking about feeling tired, you actually do feel tired. A player’s peak performance is nothing to do with physical ability, and everything to do with what goes on between his ears.
Rather than feeling tired, they should be scrambling over each other to try to get a place in the team.

Sounds like the only thing he is worried about is the talk about tiredness and all the feedback on the article seems to agree with him.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:43 pm

When someone one yawns invariably you follow suit.

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