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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby colonel_muck » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:31 pm

if the players we had on tonight cannot look good, he is doing something wrong. sick of this italian style, and by the way i also moan about it when we win, cos it is SHITE. there is no point in us being in champs league next year we will attract better players but they will just be used in the same boring system.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:32 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It had nothing to do with Mancini or his tactics, his hands were tied with what he could do tonight.

It was 11 (Vinnie and Lescott excluded) gutless players tonight, truely shocking performance by some so called big players, they owe us on Sunday, they really fucking do.


I stopped reading after reading this....


Allright bright spark, what excatly could he have done differently tonight? His hands were fucking tied, do you think he wanted to play Zabaleta in midfield? Do you think he wanted to play Yaya Toure for the 9th game in a row? He had no Johnson, no Milner, an unfit de Jong, an unfit SWP, what more could he have fucking done?

That tonight was down to the players and the players only. The likes of Carlos Tevez, fucking world superstar coming on and playing like a pub footballer, he's more disinstrested than any other fucker.


You have got no fucking idea whatsoever. Give me a genuine reason Yaya was still on the pitch at the final whistle. A GENUINE REASON. Not something fanciful to do with what could happen if the wind changed or an act of God etc, tell me why a player who was dead on his feet was being made to play centre midfield against a side who are 2-0 up & looking for a 3rd to kill the tie?

If you're going to blame somebody else for that, don't fucking bother replying.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby the_georgian_genius » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:33 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It had nothing to do with Mancini or his tactics, his hands were tied with what he could do tonight.

It was 11 (Vinnie and Lescott excluded) gutless players tonight, truely shocking performance by some so called big players, they owe us on Sunday, they really fucking do.


I stopped reading after reading this....


Allright bright spark, what excatly could he have done differently tonight? His hands were fucking tied, do you think he wanted to play Zabaleta in midfield? Do you think he wanted to play Yaya Toure for the 9th game in a row? He had no Johnson, no Milner, an unfit de Jong, an unfit SWP, what more could he have fucking done?

That tonight was down to the players and the players only. The likes of Carlos Tevez, fucking world superstar coming on and playing like a pub footballer, he's more disinstrested than any other fucker.


If the team is apparently so poor, why not go out there and park the bus, like he'd done so many other times? We could have scraped a 0-0 and everything would look promising for the return. Instead, he turns into kevin fucking keegan


he can't do right for doing wrong then, he gets slated for being nagative against Arsenal and Aris and now all of a sudden in hindsight people want a 0-0. The way i saw it was a very poor performance who were undone by two stupid mistakes, nothing to do with Mancini, if he had the likes of Johnson, a fully fit de Jong all not playing then fair enough but slating him when he is forced with a choice of Zabaleta or Vieira in midfield? Come on!
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby colonel_muck » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:34 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It had nothing to do with Mancini or his tactics, his hands were tied with what he could do tonight.

It was 11 (Vinnie and Lescott excluded) gutless players tonight, truely shocking performance by some so called big players, they owe us on Sunday, they really fucking do.


I stopped reading after reading this....


Allright bright spark, what excatly could he have done differently tonight? His hands were fucking tied, do you think he wanted to play Zabaleta in midfield? Do you think he wanted to play Yaya Toure for the 9th game in a row? He had no Johnson, no Milner, an unfit de Jong, an unfit SWP, what more could he have fucking done?

That tonight was down to the players and the players only. The likes of Carlos Tevez, fucking world superstar coming on and playing like a pub footballer, he's more disinstrested than any other fucker.


If the team is apparently so poor, why not go out there and park the bus, like he'd done so many other times? We could have scraped a 0-0 and everything would look promising for the return. Instead, he turns into kevin fucking keegan


seriously? i reckon you're on your own with that!
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby the_georgian_genius » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:35 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It had nothing to do with Mancini or his tactics, his hands were tied with what he could do tonight.

It was 11 (Vinnie and Lescott excluded) gutless players tonight, truely shocking performance by some so called big players, they owe us on Sunday, they really fucking do.


I stopped reading after reading this....


Allright bright spark, what excatly could he have done differently tonight? His hands were fucking tied, do you think he wanted to play Zabaleta in midfield? Do you think he wanted to play Yaya Toure for the 9th game in a row? He had no Johnson, no Milner, an unfit de Jong, an unfit SWP, what more could he have fucking done?

That tonight was down to the players and the players only. The likes of Carlos Tevez, fucking world superstar coming on and playing like a pub footballer, he's more disinstrested than any other fucker.


You have got no fucking idea whatsoever. Give me a genuine reason Yaya was still on the pitch at the final whistle. A GENUINE REASON. Not something fanciful to do with what could happen if the wind changed or an act of God etc, tell me why a player who was dead on his feet was being made to play centre midfield against a side who are 2-0 up & looking for a 3rd to kill the tie?

If you're going to blame somebody else for that, don't fucking bother replying.


of course i haven't, i'll leave this thread then and let the voice of reason Ted Hughes take over to preach to his flock.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby bigblue » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:37 pm

We always look sideways and the midfield is too static. Many times there just isn't good spacing between the players, not enough options. Forces us to go backwards and start again. Barca's players are usually spaced like this:
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a fucking mess
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:38 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
the_georgian_genius wrote:It had nothing to do with Mancini or his tactics, his hands were tied with what he could do tonight.

It was 11 (Vinnie and Lescott excluded) gutless players tonight, truely shocking performance by some so called big players, they owe us on Sunday, they really fucking do.


I stopped reading after reading this....


Allright bright spark, what excatly could he have done differently tonight? His hands were fucking tied, do you think he wanted to play Zabaleta in midfield? Do you think he wanted to play Yaya Toure for the 9th game in a row? He had no Johnson, no Milner, an unfit de Jong, an unfit SWP, what more could he have fucking done?

That tonight was down to the players and the players only. The likes of Carlos Tevez, fucking world superstar coming on and playing like a pub footballer, he's more disinstrested than any other fucker.


You have got no fucking idea whatsoever. Give me a genuine reason Yaya was still on the pitch at the final whistle. A GENUINE REASON. Not something fanciful to do with what could happen if the wind changed or an act of God etc, tell me why a player who was dead on his feet was being made to play centre midfield against a side who are 2-0 up & looking for a 3rd to kill the tie?

If you're going to blame somebody else for that, don't fucking bother replying.


of course i haven't, i'll leave this thread then and let the voice of reason Ted Hughes take over to preach to his flock.


You really think that the points I've raised are unreasonable?
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby david yearsley » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:39 pm

Don´t know why most of them were on the pitch tonight with Sun in mind. I was staggered to see that line up so he´s obviously saving Nige and Pat for the onslaught from Reading. Half that squad shouldn´t have made the fuclin flight. With Nige and Pat tonight we could have strulled to a nil-nil and rested our so called best. Suckers doesn´t even begin to describe that tactical car crash of a display
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby the_georgian_genius » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:41 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:You really think that the points I've raised are unreasonable?


Like i have said, he cannot do right for doing wrong, he would of brought on Vieira or de Jong for last ten minutes, you would of been on here calling him a cunt for being negative brining on a DM when losing. We needed a goal, Yaya has more threat going forward than Vieira or de Jong. Not one person has answered me what he could of done different tonight, not one, his hands were tied, think what you want of him but he isn't fucking stupid to want to play Pablo Zabaleta in central midfield, you do that when you have no other options.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby the_georgian_genius » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 pm

david yearsley wrote:Don´t know why most of them were on the pitch tonight with Sun in mind. I was staggered to see that line up so he´s obviously saving Nige and Pat for the onslaught from Reading. Half that squad shouldn´t have made the fuclin flight. With Nige and Pat tonight we could have strulled to a nil-nil and rested our so called best. Suckers doesn´t even begin to describe that tactical car crash of a display


So how would Vieria and de Jong stopped the two goals then? Both came from the wings and both were defensive mistakes.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby bigblue » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:43 pm

and as much as I hate the slow sideways/backwards play, the players let him down hugely tonight. Sure it was kind of cold, but its only -3. I've played in much, much colder and it wasn't that bad
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby blues2win » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:55 pm

I know Nigel wasn't fully fit but I was surprised he didn't come on for 30 minutes. I suppose Mancini was looking for an away goal and we were a bit better second half. One of the TV commentators made a good point about Balotelli tonight. Playing away at Kiev your attitude has to be spot on and he's not showing very good attitude at the moment so it was questionable to play him. People are having a go at Dzeko but he did give us the option of a Plan B but we never used it. I can recall one reasonable cross from Kolarov and precious little else. He was feeding off scraps all night. He worked hard enough but wasn't really given any sort of service. Christ we could do with some pace or trickery though. It's already well moaning about AJ's injury but it's ridiculous we're so reliant on such a young player. Where are our options Mancini? Why didn't we use the transfer window?
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:59 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:You really think that the points I've raised are unreasonable?


Like i have said, he cannot do right for doing wrong, he would of brought on Vieira or de Jong for last ten minutes, you would of been on here calling him a cunt for being negative brining on a DM when losing. We needed a goal, Yaya has more threat going forward than Vieira or de Jong. Not one person has answered me what he could of done different tonight, not one, his hands were tied, think what you want of him but he isn't fucking stupid to want to play Pablo Zabaleta in central midfield, you do that when you have no other options.



Why are you putting words in my mouth & why the fuck does it matter what I would have said anyway? Are you telling me YOU couldn't see Yaya was totally fucked either? Not only that but Vieira has been doing exactly that; nicking us a goal, in recent games.

You seem to have no objectivity whatsoever when it comes to Mancini. I praise him when he does well & I criticise him when he does badly but to you, every single thing he does is right no matter what.

Nobody expected City to go there & play like Barca tonight, we could tell by the pre match stuff that the mentality wasn't going to be there. I recon most people, like me, expected one of Bob's borefests & a narrow defeat, draw or narrow victory. We were all over the shop. I can't believe you think that's the best Mancini could do organisationally. Surely if the players were tired he'd want them to stay solid, not be stretched from front to back? If that's the best he can do, when a few players are missing, how can we say he's done well enough? Have we never seen 'tired' teams organised to get a result?

Are they so good & our 11 so bad that whatever he did, that's the best we could come up with? Honestly?

If that's truly the case & that's the best we have to offer because a couple of players are injured, then imo Bob isn't good enough. It's better imo that he is aknowledged to have had a shit day, rather than to admit that after a year in charge & £100 mil on an already decent team, the best we can do is THAT. He could have strengthened the squad, bought different players etc, if that is a true representation of where we're at, he should go.

I prefer to believe he fucked up on the night, lost his focus & can do better.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Manx Blue » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:01 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:
david yearsley wrote:Don´t know why most of them were on the pitch tonight with Sun in mind. I was staggered to see that line up so he´s obviously saving Nige and Pat for the onslaught from Reading. Half that squad shouldn´t have made the fuclin flight. With Nige and Pat tonight we could have strulled to a nil-nil and rested our so called best. Suckers doesn´t even begin to describe that tactical car crash of a display


So how would Vieria and de Jong stopped the two goals then? Both came from the wings and both were defensive mistakes.


The second was from Zabba losing possession and their lad turning in from the flank, but I know what you're getting at GG. Like I said in the match thread, prior to the first goal the ball was over on the right hand side and we had 4-5 players in close attendance who wouln't close posession down.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:19 am

So I take it overall we are not very happy then:)

PS SWP and NDJ were fit to play.
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby MUS » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:57 am

how anyone can be calling for mancini's head is beyond me...

this is one match... at -4c degrees... everyone who goes to russia struggles its a known fact... yes maybe we were shitter than usual today especially, but its only half time and it's results like these that HAS to get the best out of our manager and team.

european nights are not bloody easy and its a learning curve for this club, do you really expect us to win it in what is effectively only our second go at it ?


Let's just see what happens before making rash conclusions, this is football.

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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby Dronny » Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:18 am

bigblue wrote:We always look sideways and the midfield is too static. Many times there just isn't good spacing between the players, not enough options. Forces us to go backwards and start again. Barca's players are usually spaced like this:
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a fucking mess


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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby 9secondlegend » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:14 am

bigblue wrote:We always look sideways and the midfield is too static. Many times there just isn't good spacing between the players, not enough options. Forces us to go backwards and start again. Barca's players are usually spaced like this:
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a fucking mess

is this the fucking sky at night or summat? patrick moore?
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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby john68 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:36 am

Well, Hughes was shite and didn't know what he was doing....You called for his head and you got it.
Now Mancini is shite and doesn't know what he's doing. Now you're calling for his head...and you may get it.
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I'll bet, when your Mums mixed a cake, few of you ever allowed her to put it in the oven to bake...

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Re: Mancini and his tactics.

Postby dazby » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:35 am

Kinell John, most of us want to keep him but are just baffled by his ideas. If ever there was a game for Vieira to play that was it. Yes we looked pretty on occasions but let's face it. There was no plan on how to score, unless the plan was to give the ball to Silva and then leave him isolated.

When Micah is your most potent attacking weapon in a game something is very very wrong.

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