When it matters, he can not deliver!

[Ruthless]

We have missed De Jong massively he is back now business as usual chill mate we all want it just as much as you do..... Be Cool

[carl_feedthegoat]

We have missed De Jong massively he is back now business as usual chill mate we all want it just as much as you do..... Be Cool

Lets see.......I want to see City batter Reading...that will do for starters.

[Alioune DVToure]

Dear Carl,

Who was the last City manager that you DIDN'T want to see get sacked?

Sven? Pearce? Keegan? Royle?

Be honest. If you were in favour of all of those being sacked/leaving the club then say so. And then think about how many players we've turned over in the last 7/8 years. And then think about how this team might become more familiar and improve as a unit next season.

The panicky flap you're getting yourself into is borderline unbelievable. We're still mathematically in with a shout of winning 3 of the 4 competitions we were in at the beginning of the season.

I wanted them all sacked.

Panicky fucking flap!!! Yes I am in a panicky bastard flap as I want us to secure a CL place and right now FORM WISE we are not going to make it unless we adopt a winners mentality with all players staying focused and NOT fuckign up like we have been doing so for the last few games ....

Why is it so fucking hard for fans like you to understand the frustration of fans like me?

Because we both know full well that then right result tomorrow and then again on Thursday and the world will look a lot different. No point worrying about what might go wrong.

[Ted Hughes]

Dear Carl,

Who was the last City manager that you DIDN'T want to see get sacked?

Sven? Pearce? Keegan? Royle?

Be honest. If you were in favour of all of those being sacked/leaving the club then say so. And then think about how many players we've turned over in the last 7/8 years. And then think about how this team might become more familiar and improve as a unit next season.

The panicky flap you're getting yourself into is borderline unbelievable. We're still mathematically in with a shout of winning 3 of the 4 competitions we were in at the beginning of the season.

I wanted them all sacked.

Panicky fucking flap!!! Yes I am in a panicky bastard flap as I want us to secure a CL place and right now FORM WISE we are not going to make it unless we adopt a winners mentality with all players staying focused and NOT fuckign up like we have been doing so for the last few games ....

Why is it so fucking hard for fans like you to understand the frustration of fans like me?

Because we both know full well that then right result tomorrow and then again on Thursday and the world will look a lot different. No point worrying about what might go wrong.

Why wht d'ya mean? What might go wrong?? You're starting to worry me.

[Alioune DVToure]

Dear Carl,

Who was the last City manager that you DIDN'T want to see get sacked?

Sven? Pearce? Keegan? Royle?

Be honest. If you were in favour of all of those being sacked/leaving the club then say so. And then think about how many players we've turned over in the last 7/8 years. And then think about how this team might become more familiar and improve as a unit next season.

The panicky flap you're getting yourself into is borderline unbelievable. We're still mathematically in with a shout of winning 3 of the 4 competitions we were in at the beginning of the season.

I wanted them all sacked.

Panicky fucking flap!!! Yes I am in a panicky bastard flap as I want us to secure a CL place and right now FORM WISE we are not going to make it unless we adopt a winners mentality with all players staying focused and NOT fuckign up like we have been doing so for the last few games ....

Why is it so fucking hard for fans like you to understand the frustration of fans like me?

Because we both know full well that then right result tomorrow and then again on Thursday and the world will look a lot different. No point worrying about what might go wrong.

Why wht d'ya mean? What might go wrong?? You're starting to worry me.

I'm (no longer quite as) quietly confident that we'll do Kiev on Thursday. We've got no choice but to attack now. Line the lads up like we did at Fulham and West Brom and tell them to help themselves to the buffet.

I'll be a bit upset if we go out of either or both cups, but where there's life there's hope.

[Florida Blue]

Mancini, fucking clueless!

No insperation, no leadership...

Like the semi final last year against the rags...


Mancini proven record in europe = shite!

Who would you bring in to replace him?

Someone who can rally the troops when things are going wrong, not sit there and adjust his scarf....

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[john68]

John, I agree that giving Mancini another season may be what is best stability wise. But if Mourinho is available this summer then not picking him up is IMO a big risk as you never know where he might end up and if he might like it better there than where he's been before, thus loosing him for the long term.

If he becomes available and wants to come I for one would not like to risk loosing him long-term to another team to give Mancini a second chance (presuming that the drosh playstyle continues for the rest of the season).

So what do you think, does the availability of potentially the only good replacement this summer force our hand alittle?

@ Fesan,
Let me make it clear that I don't suggest that we keep Mancini just for the sake of it. He is being paid a shedload to take us upwards and onwards and he should earn his corn or be moved out. I don't even suggest we give the whole of next season. With a summer break, and a pre-season, I expect the newer players to be assimilated and for us to hit the ground at a pace. We will know quite early what is happening.
With regard to Mourinho, I haven't given it much thought but my first instinct would be to consider how long we would expect him to stay. A quick hit then out would be of little use in the long term to City and his record in the l;oyalty department leaves a lot to be desired. We may win a pot (or two) but then we are stuck looking for another manager. That would be crass stupidity, we need sustained success or nothing. It is not part of the City agenda to be one hit wonders.
If Mancini was delivering the progress we needed, I would leave him in place.

[Kladze]

I love the way, that after a pathetic performance, those of us who 'out' the manager are accused of being pathetic kneejerkers.

SOME OF US have been complaining for fucking ages !!

As far as I'm concerned he has until the end of this season and then, top four finish or not, I want him gone - to be replaced by a manger who will develop a far more expansive style of play.

Please put that on the record Mr Clerk.

[john68]

Would that make you a long term moaner, rather than a knee jerker?
Just asking so you are put in the correct pigeon hole.

BTW...just for info purposes. Having got rid of Mancini, who would you replace him with and how long would you give him before chucking him out too?

and at what point would you consider that changing our manager during the last 35 years, sometime, several in one season was a bad idea and may have actually contributed to our long term failure.
Those are quite genuine questions.

[Kladze]

Would that make you a long term moaner, rather than a knee jerker?
Just asking so you are put in the correct pigeon hole.

Haha! Good one.

You want the truth?
In 47/48 years of supporting City I have never before called for a manager's head. Not even Ball or Pearce. But this fella has tested my patience and he has no excuse.

BTW...just for info purposes. Having got rid of Mancini, who would you replace him with and how long would you give him before chucking him out too?

and at what point would you consider that changing our manager during the last 35 years, sometime, several in one season was a bad idea and may have actually contributed to our long term failure.
Those are quite genuine questions.

I've stated elsewhere that my preferred choice would be Reikjard.
But I'll settle for anyone who sends us out with the mental attitude that we are better than the opposition and we're going to wipe the floor with them.

It's now two and a half years since ADUG started pumping BIG money into this club. I don't know about you but I expected their investment to produce, in time, a team playing winning champagne football. At present what we're getting is a flat tin of Tizer.

[Fesan]

Think we are in agreement John:-) I do miss passion, spirit and confidence from Mancini and his team though... Would not be that big of a deal if we won all the time but...:-)


I think Mourinho is tired of club-hopping and is looking for a stable workplace in England where he gets money and freedom. If he got that I think he'd stay for some time. Would really love for Mancini to stay too though as assistant or youth coach or whatever just in case. I am a dreamer!

[john@staustell]

Mourinho, fell out at Chelsea, Inter and Real. Boring football, imagine the threads!! Not nessarily a result without another 500 million.

Rijkard - one of the main things thrown at Mancini is that he 'hasn't done it in the Premier'. So we get Rijkard then eh?

"The administration of the club has decided that at the end of this season Frank Rijkaard will cease to be the coach of Barcelona and the position will be occupied by Josep Guardiola," Laporta said.

"He (Rijkaard) has had success but unfortunately in the last two seasons the luck has not been with us."


Unbe-fuckin-lieveable

Aren't these threads best saved until we go out Europe, out of the FA cup and out of the CL places??

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[john68]

Like you and just about everyone else, I too expected their investment to produce, in time, a team playing winning champagne football...I would have happily settled for winning football as a start...

However...I didn't expect ADUG to change the direction we were heading in, not once but twice. I understand that the 1st change was forced on us by the proposed fair play Rules but the 2nd, removing Hughes, whether right or wrong (I'm not getting into that argument) was their own choice.
When Mancini arrived, we completely changed direction and started almost from the beginning again. Training, tactics, new players a new mentality, all contributed to delaying our progress. We are still suffering from that delay, with the likes of Ballotelli, Dzeko, Boateng and Kolarov, still not properly asimilated

I am absolutely certain and have been for a long time, that the one thing our club desperately needed was/is stability. The stability of travelling in the same direction for a sustained period. We began a journey under Sven that was curtailed by his sacking and the sale of the club to ADUG. We began again under Hughes, who decided to rebuild the club from top to bottom. That was curtailed by his sacking....And so we began all over again with Mancini, who has yet to be allowed to fully build his team, develop it, assimilate fully his new players and allow it to reach his potential.

A new manager now, would only cause yet a further dealy by starting his own project, with his new ideas, bringing in another group of new players, who would need to be assimilated.

How long do you want this roundabout to go on? I am 61 tomorrow and would like to see this fucking project pushed on and finished. Not stopped and restarted every year or two because we have no patience. I want to see trophies being held aloft by City, I want to see that fucking banner shoved up the rags arses and replaced by our own, advertising their 37 barren years. I certainly don't want my kids looking in at the CoMS remembrance garden and saying "Hey Dad, hard luck, you missed this".

[Slim]

I certainly don't want my kids looking in at the CoMS remembrance garden and saying "Hey Dad, hard luck, you missed this".

It'd give you a place to plant your bulbs though.

[Ted Hughes]

I've criticised Mourinho for 'boring' football but that was in the days when I was wide eyed with wonder & believed that we were going to leave Hughes to build an all out attacking team & if neccessary replace him with someone better but equally adventurous afterwards. We moaned about not being tight at the back & we got Bob. If Mourinho has to be put in the boring bracket then so does Bob, moreso. No way were Chelsea under Mourinho as boring as we often are. The biggest criticism was that when they got 2 up, they took their foot off the gas rather than going for 4 or 5. We often do that whether we're in front or not.

Also Real play better footbal than almost everybody except Barca. What is boring about Real Madrid's football? I would love us to play like a Prem Lg version of Real Madrid.

The 'boring' tag is a red herring. The issue is whether we should swap him for Bob IF the option becomes a reality. If we're going to keep Bob rather than take Mourinho, this season has to finish strongly & we have to look like a side imo. Most neutrals think we're going to do an Arsenal from now on. To keep his job, Bob needs to show that if his team does miss out, it goes down fighting. If he can't do that, he's not the right man, Mourinho or no Mourinho.

[Ted Hughes]

Like you and just about everyone else, I too expected their investment to produce, in time, a team playing winning champagne football...I would have happily settled for winning football as a start...

However...I didn't expect ADUG to change the direction we were heading in, not once but twice. I understand that the 1st change was forced on us by the proposed fair play Rules but the 2nd, removing Hughes, whether right or wrong (I'm not getting into that argument) was their own choice.
When Mancini arrived, we completely changed direction and started almost from the beginning again. Training, tactics, new players a new mentality, all contributed to delaying our progress. We are still suffering from that delay, with the likes of Ballotelli, Dzeko, Boateng and Kolarov, still not properly asimilated

I am absolutely certain and have been for a long time, that the one thing our club desperately needed was/is stability. The stability of travelling in the same direction for a sustained period. We began a journey under Sven that was curtailed by his sacking and the sale of the club to ADUG. We began again under Hughes, who decided to rebuild the club from top to bottom. That was curtailed by his sacking....And so we began all over again with Mancini, who has yet to be allowed to fully build his team, develop it, assimilate fully his new players and allow it to reach his potential.

A new manager now, would only cause yet a further dealy by starting his own project, with his new ideas, bringing in another group of new players, who would need to be assimilated.

How long do you want this roundabout to go on? I am 61 tomorrow and would like to see this fucking project pushed on and finished. Not stopped and restarted every year or two because we have no patience. I want to see trophies being held aloft by City, I want to see that fucking banner shoved up the rags arses and replaced by our own, advertising their 37 barren years. I certainly don't want my kids looking in at the CoMS remembrance garden and saying "Hey Dad, hard luck, you missed this".

John, you know I agree about swapping managers & I've posted similar stuff before about how it stops progression. However, Bob has to be good enough if we're to keep him; there's no point in keeping him just for the sake of it. The end of this season is a fair & reasonable test imo. He's got a great squad, most of whom are now fully fit & should be able to finish the season with a strong team who look like challengers. If we miss out because Spurs Chelsea & Co play superbly we can at least consider that we are probably going in the right direction (they've been building their sides for longer than we have).

If we miss out because we're shit; he's not good enough. The squad we've got now, would finish the season strongly under a decent manager. It's not unfair to demand a strong finish to the season.

[CityFanFromRome]

I've stated elsewhere that my preferred choice would be Reikjard.
But I'll settle for anyone who sends us out with the mental attitude that we are better than the opposition and we're going to wipe the floor with them.

I know only one manager who can install that attitude into his players, and that is Jose. Well,Taggart too, but he's out of the equation. Jose would also grant us one or two trophies the same season he comes, of that I'm absolutely sure; but his style is not the most entertaining to watch, and he would leave after max two seasons.

We should be playing better football than we currently are, and I can't understand, since Mancini had us playing good footabll in some games this season, why he hasn't kept that up. However I'm not convinced that Rijkaard is a good replacement, he won everything with a Barca team which would have won even managed by a five years old, then where is he now? Managing Fenerbahce, if I'm not mistaken. One has to wonder why nobody of the big guns who changed manager recently has approached him (I'm thinking of Juve, Milan, Liverpool).

I guess the ideal replacement from an entertainment pov would be Guardiola, but the question is, can he replicate the Barca style somewhere else with lesser players? It's a big question, tbf.

[Ted Hughes]

I've stated elsewhere that my preferred choice would be Reikjard.
But I'll settle for anyone who sends us out with the mental attitude that we are better than the opposition and we're going to wipe the floor with them.

I know only one manager who can install that attitude into his players, and that is Jose. Well,Taggart too, but he's out of the equation. Jose would also grant us one or two trophies the same season he comes, of that I'm absolutely sure; but his style is not the most entertaining to watch, and he would leave after max two seasons.

We should be playing better football than we currently are, and I can't understand, since Mancini had us playing good footabll in some games this season, why he hasn't kept that up. However I'm not convinced that Rijkaard is a good replacement, he won everything with a Barca team which would have won even managed by a five years old, then where is he now? Managing Fenerbahce, if I'm not mistaken. One has to wonder why nobody of the big guns who changed manager recently has approached him (I'm thinking of Juve, Milan, Liverpool).

I guess the ideal replacement from an entertainment pov would be Guardiola, but the question is, can he replicate the Barca style somewhere else with lesser players? It's a big question, tbf.

If you gave him about 6 years & completely ignored the results then yes. Otherwise no.

[david yearsley]

I certainly don't want my kids looking in at the CoMS remembrance garden and saying "Hey Dad, hard luck, you missed this".

It'd give you a place to plant your bulbs though.

Ooooohhhhh!!! "winces" ;)

[King Kev]

For fucks sake..any fucking article form that paper that DOESN'T FIT WITH ONES AGENDA is bullshit is it !!! It is common fuckign knowledge that Mourhino is not happy where he is and it is also common knowledge that he misses managing in England.

I fucking hate it when someone knocks a tabloid over a story that they dont like so diss it as nonsense....there are many storied in SPain itself that claim Mourinho wants out.

I don't doubt for 1 minute that Jose is unhappy where he is or that he would consider coming back to England.

I think we both know that the clubs he is being linked with are pure guess work and speculation.

Not sure what you mean about dismissing articles that don't fit my agenda, I have never made any secret of the fact that the Sun isn't worth wiping my arse on and I never believe a word they say. I thought most people felt the same.

The sun like most papers exaggerate any article for sensationalism as is par the course for any fucking paper.....but its not just the Sun that came with this story....Spain is rife with suspicions that he will leave and even MOURINHO has been quoted as saying he wants to come back to the prem !!!!...

my point being you said why would he come to us..get into the real world.......I think its wiser to find out from other sources before you make a statement like you did.

If we did get Mourinho in how long would you give him to bring success before you wanted him sacked?