I actually want rid now

[Wooders]

only at the end of the season and only if redknapp or mourinho want the job

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think any manager would do no worse than Bob with the resources available.
I wouldn't even be upset if somebody like Mick McCarthy was appointed. At least he 'gets' City and I'm sure he would have us in at least a similar position.
Even Pearce would have.

[guv111]

Nor does it mean that sticking with the wrong man year after year is the only ingredient in the recipe for success.

This is why managers are hired and fired - some of them simply aren't up to the job. Clubs only stick with managers that bring success, and there isn't a manger in the world that keeps his job when the team are failing to live up to expectations. Liverpool had the right idea: they made a mess of hiring Roy Hodgson, and now he has gone they are playing as you'd expect them to, churning out results, and might even finish in the top five after Hodgson had them in the relegation zone. Continuity is only great when you have the right man in charge.

[avoidconfusion]

I fucking love Mick McCarthy... him being the City Manager would be fucking awesome. I doubt we would win anything but at least the post match interviews would be comedy gold.

Redknapp on the other hand... I think I would find it hard to cope with if that twat was our manager.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Nor does it mean that sticking with the wrong man year after year is the only ingredient in the recipe for success.

This is why managers are hired and fired - some of them simply aren't up to the job. Clubs only stick with managers that bring success, and there isn't a manger in the world that keeps his job when the team are failing to live up to expectations. Liverpool had the right idea: they made a mess of hiring Roy Hodgson, and now he has gone they are playing as you'd expect them to, churning out results, and might even finish in the top five after Hodgson had them in the relegation zone. Continuity is only great when you have the right man in charge.

Fair comment this.
Problem is, that it isn't an exact science.
Football takes strange twists and constantly throws up surprises.
So when are you sure that a manager isn't up to the job?
I've felt it with Bob for around eleven months now, even though I appreciate that it was very early to make that judgement.

[guv111]

Nor does it mean that sticking with the wrong man year after year is the only ingredient in the recipe for success.

This is why managers are hired and fired - some of them simply aren't up to the job. Clubs only stick with managers that bring success, and there isn't a manger in the world that keeps his job when the team are failing to live up to expectations. Liverpool had the right idea: they made a mess of hiring Roy Hodgson, and now he has gone they are playing as you'd expect them to, churning out results, and might even finish in the top five after Hodgson had them in the relegation zone. Continuity is only great when you have the right man in charge.

Fair comment this.
Problem is, that it isn't an exact science.
Football takes strange twists and constantly throws up surprises.
So when are you sure that a manager isn't up to the job?
I've felt it with Bob for around eleven months now, even though I appreciate that it was very early to make that judgement.

I sort of feel we are a new club these days, with a clean sheet and untold billions at our disposal. It really doesn't matter if we have three or four managers in quick succession, as long as we get the right one in the end. The only people who seem to have a problem with us spending money and sacking people are pundits and journalists who, of course, aren't and have never been City fans. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for us, and there's no point in puussyfooting about. We should do whatever it takes to get success, including getting the best manager and players.

[Mike J]

I fucking love Mick McCarthy... him being the City Manager would be fucking awesome. I doubt we would win anything but at least the post match interviews would be comedy gold.

Redknapp on the other hand... I think I would find it hard to cope with if that twat was our manager.

id have redknapp over mancini any day of the week.

[Ted Hughes]

The thing is, whilst it seems like an excuse, it is true that some of the players are shagged out. (Why that is & who's fault is a different matter). It's also true though that Bob has dropped some bollocks (one or two big steaming ones) but so has every other manager.

I'm absolutely, passionately, dead against sacking managers but I'm also dead against boring, gutless, unimaginitive, one dimensional football & hitching our billion dollar fun waggon to a dead horse.

Let's see how the team looks after everyone has had a nice break. If it looks like a top quality team which is ready to take the next step & performs well in the last part of the season then what would be the point of sacking Bob, even if we miss our targets ? Revenge? Will Ferrguson or Wenger be sacked if they miss out? There would be absolutely no point in sacking Bob, if we look like we're on the right track, even if we finish 5th.

On the other hand, if we limp to 4th place playing dull gutless football, mainly because our competitors are not good enough to finish above us, what would be the point of keeping Bob ? He's had the time & money to put a side out that at least looks the part. Keep him just because change scares us? We keep the wrong man & have a miserable time watching City just because it's the safest option based on past failures?

No, lets see what we look like when everyone is fit & lets find out what Bob is really made of at the business end of the season, then take the appropriate action; a pat on the back or a kick up the arse. I hope he cracks it as I quite like him.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

The dilemma summed up neatly in one post.
Still not sure what the solution is.

[Kladze]

Since hitting the bottom spot in the 1979-80 season...we have employed:
Allison, Book, Bond, Benson, McNeill, Frizzell, Machin, Book (again), Kendall, Reid, Book (yet again), Horton, Ball, Hartford, Coppell, Neal, Clark, Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Eriksson, Hughes and now Mancini.....

Not to worry lads...there are still plenty of out of work managers left that we can bring in over the next 30 odd years.

[highlight]Not wishing to rub it in but I have actually seen City win the league, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield. the League Cup and the European Cup Winners.[/highlight]
What have most of you lot seen City win?...FUCK ALL!!!...and you still want to play on the merry go round that caused your barren spell.

It beggers belief.

And what's that got to do with the price of smelly fish John?

I have also seen us win all those trophies. Does that mean I have to take what's on offer now?
Of course it doesn't.

It's one thing wanting stability. It's quite another thing sticking with the wrong man just for the sake of that stability.

[s1ty m]

Since hitting the bottom spot in the 1979-80 season...we have employed:
Allison, Book, Bond, Benson, McNeill, Frizzell, Machin, Book (again), Kendall, Reid, Book (yet again), Horton, Ball, Hartford, Coppell, Neal, Clark, Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Eriksson, Hughes and now Mancini.....

Not to worry lads...there are still plenty of out of work managers left that we can bring in over the next 30 odd years.

Not wishing to rub it in but I have actually seen City win the league, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield. the League Cup and the European Cup Winners.
What have most of you lot seen City win?...FUCK ALL!!!...and you still want to play on the merry go round that caused your barren spell.

It beggers belief.

John, I was there in 76 when we won and have seen really good City teams. This team is not one of them and bores the living shite out of me. If you think Mancini is the man, then O.K. I just cannot agree, he is a coward who buys total crap, mainly. Honestly, he was pissed away a small fortune on some really poor footballers, you have to agree with that at least?

[lets all have a disco]

Since hitting the bottom spot in the 1979-80 season...we have employed:
Allison, Book, Bond, Benson, McNeill, Frizzell, Machin, Book (again), Kendall, Reid, Book (yet again), Horton, Ball, Hartford, Coppell, Neal, Clark, Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Eriksson, Hughes and now Mancini.....

Not to worry lads...there are still plenty of out of work managers left that we can bring in over the next 30 odd years.

Not wishing to rub it in but I have actually seen City win the league, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield. the League Cup and the European Cup Winners.
What have most of you lot seen City win?...FUCK ALL!!!...and you still want to play on the merry go round that caused your barren spell.

It beggers belief.

John, I was there in 76 when we won and have seen really good City teams. This team is not one of them and bores the living shite out of me. If you think Mancini is the man, then O.K. I just cannot agree, he is a coward who buys total crap, mainly. Honestly, he was pissed away a small fortune on some really poor footballers, you have to agree with that at least?

Bolton and Stoke have got to a Semi Final on a shoestring.

[Kladze]

Since hitting the bottom spot in the 1979-80 season...we have employed:
Allison, Book, Bond, Benson, McNeill, Frizzell, Machin, Book (again), Kendall, Reid, Book (yet again), Horton, Ball, Hartford, Coppell, Neal, Clark, Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Eriksson, Hughes and now Mancini.....

Not to worry lads...there are still plenty of out of work managers left that we can bring in over the next 30 odd years.

Not wishing to rub it in but I have actually seen City win the league, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield. the League Cup and the European Cup Winners.
What have most of you lot seen City win?...FUCK ALL!!!...and you still want to play on the merry go round that caused your barren spell.

It beggers belief.

John, I was there in 76 when we won and have seen really good City teams. This team is not one of them and bores the living shite out of me. If you think Mancini is the man, then O.K. I just cannot agree, he is a coward who buys total crap, mainly. Honestly, he was pissed away a small fortune on some really poor footballers, you have to agree with that at least?

Bolton and Stoke have got to a Semi Final on a shoestring.

Let's be honest here.

Our path to the semi-final has largely been down to the teams we've been drawn against.

[lets all have a disco]

Since hitting the bottom spot in the 1979-80 season...we have employed:
Allison, Book, Bond, Benson, McNeill, Frizzell, Machin, Book (again), Kendall, Reid, Book (yet again), Horton, Ball, Hartford, Coppell, Neal, Clark, Royle, Keegan, Pearce, Eriksson, Hughes and now Mancini.....

Not to worry lads...there are still plenty of out of work managers left that we can bring in over the next 30 odd years.

Not wishing to rub it in but I have actually seen City win the league, the FA Cup, the Charity Shield. the League Cup and the European Cup Winners.
What have most of you lot seen City win?...FUCK ALL!!!...and you still want to play on the merry go round that caused your barren spell.

It beggers belief.

John, I was there in 76 when we won and have seen really good City teams. This team is not one of them and bores the living shite out of me. If you think Mancini is the man, then O.K. I just cannot agree, he is a coward who buys total crap, mainly. Honestly, he was pissed away a small fortune on some really poor footballers, you have to agree with that at least?

Bolton and Stoke have got to a Semi Final on a shoestring.

Let's be honest here.

Our path to the semi-final has largely been down to the teams we've been drawn against.

Thats the point.

Bolton have faced,York,Wigan,Fulham and Birmingham. That has actually been tougher than our run.

[crossan]

We are shite,we are going backwards,no guts,no pride and probarbly no silverware at the end of the season and heaven forbid no champions league spot.Balotelli is the biggest liability ever,Mancini is clueless,mercanary bastards sitting back and counting their money with no love for the club.................

[Renato_CTID]

It's hard to say but too many Citizens here look like they ignore our beloved club hasn't the same traditions of Real, Barca, AC Milan, Liverpool and so on. Passing from Gillingham play offs to a Santiago Bernabeu or a San Siro trip you have to change a lot of things in your players, in your staff and even in all fans' way of work, could you imagine this is an easy thing to do?
Only God knows how much time we need to become exactly like those clubs! Months or years? All in all this is the reason why mr Strongest Ego of the World alias Josè Mourinho will never sign for us! He's a mercenary fox who'll take the job only where they guarantee tropheys to win

[Tony P]

It's hard to say but too many Citizens here look like they ignore our beloved club hasn't the same traditions of Real, Barca, AC Milan, Liverpool and so on. Passing from Gillingham play offs to a Santiago Bernabeu or a San Siro trip you have to change a lot of things in your players, in your staff and even in all fans' way of work, could you imagine this is an easy thing to do?
Only God knows how much time we need to become exactly like those clubs! Months or years? All in all this is the reason why mr Strongest Ego of the World alias Josè Mourinho will never sign for us! He's a mercenary fox who'll take the job only where they guarantee tropheys to win

Errr Renato, have you checked the 'silver linings' thread mate?



Just sayin....

[dikdik]

Just a couple of points

1. We changed managers mid season in 80/81 (Mighty Mal to Mr Bond...) and got to Wembley

2. I like Mancini as a person. He's a nice guy. I think that may be clouding a lot of people's opinions as the man as a manager.

3. The only exciting football I have seen this season was the second half against Kiev when we were down to 10 men and HAD to play ATTACKING football. I think Mancini cannot deliberately go out to attack, he seems to be hard wired against it.

4. I saw Spud Murphy accidentally kick Bert's neck. I was 12. I have been through the heady days of the sixties. Now I am greedy. I don't have another ten years to wait for success!!

I want success now!!


Thank you and good night.

[john68]

Slim, I have a great regard for your intelligence and usual analytical skills....but i am so sorry mate you and the others are so fucking wrong...it reeeally beggers belief.

What bit of "stability breeds success and constant change breeds failure don't any of you understand"...and dikdik...one appearance in a losing final after a change of manager is NOT sustained success...in fact we lost.
What bit of "money buys you players but teams win trophies and teams take time to build" can't you get your heads round?

The needle is stuck, simply because it is the truth and there is no other way of hammering home the message.
Busby took from the 40s to the late 50s to build his babes. After Munich, it took another 5 years to build his next dominant team.
Liverpool had it's stable boot room mentality that gave them sustained success even after Shankly disappeared. it was Souness playing billy big bollox, believing his way was better that fucked it up. Any success they have had since was not sustained.
Taggart failed miserably initially and took around seven years to build his empire.
Wenger may not have won anything for a few years, but they are the the nearest England has to challenging taggart's title charge.
Revie...Clough...Stein...all had time....and by the way didn't our own ron saunders go onto win the European Cup? How long did he last under Swales?
Our own success under Mercer/Allison took 3 years to build and they reigned for around 6 years. It was reverting back to our version of City's stable boot room mentality under book that brought success back.

I have never suggested that all those old City managers were any good. Some should never have been employed, simply because the old manager should never have been sacked in the 1st place.
The crucial bit is that when each one of them arrived with their own ideas, they demolished the previous work done and started their own projects, none were ever allowed the time to finish them.

...and Dikdik...changing a manager and getting ONE trip to a losing final is NOT sustained success.

[lets all have a disco]

John is Mancini your man for 5-10 years regardless?