Mcfc managerial merry go round

[Dronny]

Any team that plays 9 defensive minded players will be hard to beat its not rocket science to work that out, I think the reason everyones patience is wearing so thin is down to the amount of money we have laid out on so called world class players only to see that infact the majority are over priced average players or good players that dont perform consistantly, add to that there is no speed creativity or flare and understandably everyone is starting to wonder if this guy has got what it takes to move us on to the next level or he just plays the safe bet and his sole aim before any match is under no circumstances concede a goal even if that means we dont go out of our own half and dont have a single shot on there goal, his philosophy seems to be, we start the game with one point do not lose that point n if we manage to get lucky n sneak 3 its happy days, this is not the mentality of a winner who creates a force to be feared by others due to their ability to slice through other teams at will n put them to the sword. This I believe is what the questions are being asked about

I read an article from Pep who said the reason they press so high up the pitch and close down so damn quickly is because he thinks they can't defend for toffee. Now I know his tongue was located in his cheek but why can't we adopt a similar approach rather than inviting teams on and hoping a) they don't score and b) we nick a goal. Clearly Barca have played that way since God was in nappies but does anyone really think that Mancini has the nouse to play a system like that?

One other thing Ruthless, I've noticed this in a number of your posts so I'm happy for you to have some of mine - . . . . . . . . - You need to use them more!

[Alioune DVToure]

It is a bit sad that it is apparently acceptable to spend 300+m to become "hard to beat" ... I am pretty sure that can be achieved with less money.

Moan, moan, frigging moan.....

Look, we're not JUST hard to beat, are we? We're fourth in the fucking league and in the semi-final of the cunting cup, neither of which can be achieved by JUST being hard to beat.

You're becoming the most depressing poster on the board! Cheer up and enjoy the run-in.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

It is pretty dire watching us at the moment and I reckon the way we went about the game against Chelsea is pretty much how we will approach the semi-final, and probably with the same outcome. But Mancini is a winner and we need to stick with him for at least another season. We'll see next season if his approach changes a little and after he's had another summer to move some players on and bring some pace into that midfield.

[Alioune DVToure]

It is pretty dire watching us at the moment and I reckon the way we went about the game against Chelsea is pretty much how we will approach the semi-final, and probably with the same outcome. But Mancini is a winner and we need to stick with him for at least another season. We'll see next season if his approach changes a little and after he's had another summer to move some players on and bring some pace into that midfield.

Good points, but I thought you supported QPR?

[Ted Hughes]

Any team that plays 9 defensive minded players will be hard to beat its not rocket science to work that out, I think the reason everyones patience is wearing so thin is down to the amount of money we have laid out on so called world class players only to see that infact the majority are over priced average players or good players that dont perform consistantly, add to that there is no speed creativity or flare and understandably everyone is starting to wonder if this guy has got what it takes to move us on to the next level or he just plays the safe bet and his sole aim before any match is under no circumstances concede a goal even if that means we dont go out of our own half and dont have a single shot on there goal, his philosophy seems to be, we start the game with one point do not lose that point n if we manage to get lucky n sneak 3 its happy days, this is not the mentality of a winner who creates a force to be feared by others due to their ability to slice through other teams at will n put them to the sword. This I believe is what the questions are being asked about

I read an article from Pep who said the reason they press so high up the pitch and close down so damn quickly is because he thinks they can't defend for toffee. Now I know his tongue was located in his cheek but why can't we adopt a similar approach rather than inviting teams on and hoping a) they don't score and b) we nick a goal. Clearly Barca have played that way since God was in nappies but does anyone really think that Mancini has the nouse to play a system like that?

One other thing Ruthless, I've noticed this in a number of your posts so I'm happy for you to have some of mine - . . . . . . . . - You need to use them more!

I think Bob has the 'nous' & could make City play like that but the players have to do it, therefore he has to be able to rely on them. If one or two stop doing it, the system won't work. In the end though, that system was built in Barca's academy rather than at 1st team level, which is how it should be in the future at City imo. The whole club should have a style of play & it shouldn't be the one currently employed by the first team.

[BobbyDazzler]

This "play good football and lose"point bugs me. They are not mutually exclusive.. How about we play good football and win.

I'm not saying they are, just that as a newly assembled squad, not conceding is the first priority. The understanding between defenders always develops more quickly than those who play further up the park, and Hart, Richards, Kompany and De Jong are now some of the longest serving players at the club. An understanding further up the park will come with time and so more creative play will develop. I just can't see Mario, Dzeko, Silva et al ripping teams apart just yet. I would love to see AJ and Milner starting more games, but I'm not sure Bob knows his best starting midfield himself! But things will only improve, and if we win more than we lose without playing creatively, then the future is bright.

[Ted Hughes]

I think Bob has signed a group of players who don't fit together naturally. They may learn to do eventually but he should have signed a couple of players to make that happen quicker. His 1st choice front three for instance all like to play in the same area. Two of them will have to move. It's not great management by any stretch of the imagination. Not sackable yet but a big black mark against his judgement.

[Mike J]

i hate watching the diabolical football on show. with the squad we have we should comfortably sitting in the top 3 all season. now we are shitting it once again and have spurs and chelsea breathing down our neck. and you know what they deserve it more than us. spurs especially, they play fucking fantastic football at times, and once again i think they will beat us at eastlands.

i despise how often we change manager but we could be on the brink of something great. sadly i dont think mancini is the man to take us there. i dont think he will change his ways whatsoever.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

It is pretty dire watching us at the moment and I reckon the way we went about the game against Chelsea is pretty much how we will approach the semi-final, and probably with the same outcome. But Mancini is a winner and we need to stick with him for at least another season. We'll see next season if his approach changes a little and after he's had another summer to move some players on and bring some pace into that midfield.

Good points, but I thought you supported QPR?

No, but I am City's greatest ever player...

[john68]

I am finding this extremely frustrating...It is like being surrounded by fucking idiots. Not just idiots but deaf and blind idiots too. Idiots that seem unable to think beyond their last emotion and idiots who's only thought processes seem to be governed by some fucking manic suicidal desire....and the memories of fucking goldfish.

Last season fans couldn't wait to form the lynch mob to hang Hughes from the nearest tree. No thoughts were given to the fact that those with any real knowledge of football were saying that it would take City years to build a squad good enough to build a squad good enough to gain sustainable success. Even the fucking club said that...History fucking showed you that no team ever in the World had ever been built in a 12 months period. Did anyone fucking listen?...Did they fuck.
The rag tops and gutter media must have been delighted with City. They defined money as equalling success. they built it up to knock it over...Except they never needed to knock anything over....and when we hung Hughes out to dry...guess what...the fucking rag tops and the media came and lynched us...For them...job sorted.

I told you then...and this is the last fucking time i will bother my fucking old arse saying it to you...If you can't take it on board..then fuck off and work it in your own time by your own fucking stupid means.

I told you then...that if you get rid of Hughes, the new guy (Mancini) would start again doing his own thing. he would destroy the Hughes approach and it would take more time. I told you then that in 12 months (now) we would be in exactly the same position as we were then....and I also said that instead of giving the new guy time...you would be out with the lynch mob and the rope for the new guy...guess what...you fucking well are....A...fucking...men.

...and here's another guess what...if we get rid of mancini....IN ANOTHER 12 MONTHS...THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES IN WILL DO EXACTLY AS EVERY OTHER MANAGER HAS DONE...HE WILL REBUILD CITY IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND IT WILL TAKE HIM MORE TIME. IN 12 MONTHS TIME...WE WILL BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION AS WE WERE 12 MONTHS AGO...WASTED 2 FUCKING YEARS AND MADE HARDLY ANY PROGRESS....and will the idiots learn?...no will they fuck...they will be all outside halfords buying yet anoither fucking tow rope and looking for another fucking tree to hang the next guy....and so it will go on...and on...and on.

That's yer fucking lot...So be it..God is good...yada yada yada.!

[Kladze]

Why are we not allowing ourselves to enjoy this?

You ARE enjoying it?
Fair play to you I suppose :-s

Agree with the opening poster and he makes a fair point.

Me i'm happy with Mancini in charge, and I think at times people have got too carried away this season with where we should be.

Yes, granted we are making qualifying for the Top 4 this season harder than it should be but that is becuase on the whole we have had a poor run of form in the last 7 league games or so. I really think those City fans who seriously think Mancini's position should be brought into question at this point are going over the top.

[blah]

Overall, we are making good progress and this guy has won trophies at bigger clubs than us such as Inter. In fact the only reason he got sacked there was that he didn't win the European Cup. Lets stick with Mancini and see where we are in 2 months, hopefully with the FA Cup in the cabinet and a top 4 finish - which would be our highest finish since 1978, when we last came 4th.

Here's the difference between you and I (and many of us) .......... it seems to be a results based thing for you. Me? I think of it as an entertainment business as well - on that basis we should be asking for our money back.

I agree with the points you raise; however, I've seen it mentioned in another thread that maybe he's just playing the safe way to grant himself another season at the helm by getting that coveted fourth spot.

Yet another of the totally fabricated excuses for the style of our performances.

I feel the perception many fans have formed of the side has been hugely influenced by the media fabrications.If the media are to be believed Spurs are the most entertaining side in the league, yet city have scored more goals than them this season.

How bloody patronising a statement is that?


I can't be bothered reading on and multi-quoting any further.

The fact is that this is one of the most turgid, lifeless City teams I've ever seen. Even Pearce's 'where's the opposition's goal' team had more zip about them.
Good teams pen the opposition into their own third of the field. We pen them into our half of it ffs.

We need to be moving the ball more quickly from defence through midfield to attack, we need to see much more movement off the ball {triangles everywhere to give the passer options). We need to vary the play, using wide men to, at least some of the time, put some quality aerial crosses in. Above all we need to take to the field with a mindset which says we will have a right good go at the opposition.

We have spent the best part of £350 million on players and FUCKING YES I DO expect a lot more than what we are getting. I want to see us play football which has me on the edge of my seat from the moment we kick off - at the moment I'm ready with the fucking recliner button. Seriously, I have come very close to nodding off watching a few of our televised games and have only stayed awake because my gf has nudged me.
It's fucking appalling rubbish we're being served up and there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for it. Mancini produces this stuff by design, it is not accidental. Yes I want us to win stuff, yes I want to be in the champions league but with the calibre of players we have we would achieve these things playing good quality, attacking, entertaining football.
At the moment we are seen by most neutrals as the anti-football team, there is good reason for that - it is true.

[Alioune DVToure]

It is pretty dire watching us at the moment and I reckon the way we went about the game against Chelsea is pretty much how we will approach the semi-final, and probably with the same outcome. But Mancini is a winner and we need to stick with him for at least another season. We'll see next season if his approach changes a little and after he's had another summer to move some players on and bring some pace into that midfield.

Good points, but I thought you supported QPR?

No, but I am City's greatest ever player...

Ah right. Well before my time!

John68 will love you.

[Alioune DVToure]

I am finding this extremely frustrating...It is like being surrounded by fucking idiots. Not just idiots but deaf and blind idiots too. Idiots that seem unable to think beyond their last emotion and idiots who's only thought processes seem to be governed by some fucking manic suicidal desire....and the memories of fucking goldfish.

Last season fans couldn't wait to form the lynch mob to hang Hughes from the nearest tree. No thoughts were given to the fact that those with any real knowledge of football were saying that it would take City years to build a squad good enough to build a squad good enough to gain [highlight]sustainable[/highlight] success. Even the fucking club said that...History fucking showed you that no team ever in the World had ever been built in a 12 months period. Did anyone fucking listen?...Did they fuck.
The rag tops and gutter media must have been delighted with City. They defined money as equalling success. they built it up to knock it over...Except they never needed to knock anything over....and when we hung Hughes out to dry...guess what...the fucking rag tops and the media came and lynched us...For them...job sorted.

I told you then...and this is the last fucking time i will bother my fucking old arse saying it to you...If you can't take it on board..then fuck off and work it in your own time by your own fucking stupid means.

I told you then...that if you get rid of Hughes, the new guy (Mancini) would start again doing his own thing. he would destroy the Hughes approach and it would take more time. I told you then that in 12 months (now) we would be in exactly the same position as we were then....and I also said that instead of giving the new guy time...you would be out with the lynch mob and the rope for the new guy...guess what...you fucking well are....A...fucking...men.

...and here's another guess what...if we get rid of mancini....IN ANOTHER 12 MONTHS...THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES IN WILL DO EXACTLY AS EVERY OTHER MANAGER HAS DONE...HE WILL REBUILD CITY IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND IT WILL TAKE HIM MORE TIME. IN 12 MONTHS TIME...WE WILL BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION AS WE WERE 12 MONTHS AGO...WASTED 2 FUCKING YEARS AND MADE HARDLY ANY PROGRESS....and will the idiots learn?...no will they fuck...they will be all outside halfords buying yet anoither fucking tow rope and looking for another fucking tree to hang the next guy....and so it will go on...and on...and on.

That's yer fucking lot...So be it..God is good...yada yada yada.!

Agree with you totally, John. Sustainability is the key word.

[halnone]

I am finding this extremely frustrating...It is like being surrounded by fucking idiots. Not just idiots but deaf and blind idiots too. Idiots that seem unable to think beyond their last emotion and idiots who's only thought processes seem to be governed by some fucking manic suicidal desire....and the memories of fucking goldfish.

Last season fans couldn't wait to form the lynch mob to hang Hughes from the nearest tree. No thoughts were given to the fact that those with any real knowledge of football were saying that it would take City years to build a squad good enough to build a squad good enough to gain sustainable success. Even the fucking club said that...History fucking showed you that no team ever in the World had ever been built in a 12 months period. Did anyone fucking listen?...Did they fuck.
The rag tops and gutter media must have been delighted with City. They defined money as equalling success. they built it up to knock it over...Except they never needed to knock anything over....and when we hung Hughes out to dry...guess what...the fucking rag tops and the media came and lynched us...For them...job sorted.

I told you then...and this is the last fucking time i will bother my fucking old arse saying it to you...If you can't take it on board..then fuck off and work it in your own time by your own fucking stupid means.

I told you then...that if you get rid of Hughes, the new guy (Mancini) would start again doing his own thing. he would destroy the Hughes approach and it would take more time. I told you then that in 12 months (now) we would be in exactly the same position as we were then....and I also said that instead of giving the new guy time...you would be out with the lynch mob and the rope for the new guy...guess what...you fucking well are....A...fucking...men.

...and here's another guess what...if we get rid of mancini....IN ANOTHER 12 MONTHS...THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES IN WILL DO EXACTLY AS EVERY OTHER MANAGER HAS DONE...HE WILL REBUILD CITY IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND IT WILL TAKE HIM MORE TIME. IN 12 MONTHS TIME...WE WILL BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION AS WE WERE 12 MONTHS AGO...WASTED 2 FUCKING YEARS AND MADE HARDLY ANY PROGRESS....and will the idiots learn?...no will they fuck...they will be all outside halfords buying yet anoither fucking tow rope and looking for another fucking tree to hang the next guy....and so it will go on...and on...and on.

That's yer fucking lot...So be it..God is good...yada yada yada.!

100% agree. Only sensible post in this thread.
Success isn't built overnight, and if we keep changing managers then that is even more guaranteed.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I am finding this extremely frustrating...It is like being surrounded by fucking idiots. Not just idiots but deaf and blind idiots too. Idiots that seem unable to think beyond their last emotion and idiots who's only thought processes seem to be governed by some fucking manic suicidal desire....and the memories of fucking goldfish.

Last season fans couldn't wait to form the lynch mob to hang Hughes from the nearest tree. No thoughts were given to the fact that those with any real knowledge of football were saying that it would take City years to build a squad good enough to build a squad good enough to gain sustainable success. Even the fucking club said that...History fucking showed you that no team ever in the World had ever been built in a 12 months period. Did anyone fucking listen?...Did they fuck.
The rag tops and gutter media must have been delighted with City. They defined money as equalling success. they built it up to knock it over...Except they never needed to knock anything over....and when we hung Hughes out to dry...guess what...the fucking rag tops and the media came and lynched us...For them...job sorted.

I told you then...and this is the last fucking time i will bother my fucking old arse saying it to you...If you can't take it on board..then fuck off and work it in your own time by your own fucking stupid means.

I told you then...that if you get rid of Hughes, the new guy (Mancini) would start again doing his own thing. he would destroy the Hughes approach and it would take more time. I told you then that in 12 months (now) we would be in exactly the same position as we were then....and I also said that instead of giving the new guy time...you would be out with the lynch mob and the rope for the new guy...guess what...you fucking well are....A...fucking...men.

...and here's another guess what...if we get rid of mancini....IN ANOTHER 12 MONTHS...THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES IN WILL DO EXACTLY AS EVERY OTHER MANAGER HAS DONE...HE WILL REBUILD CITY IN HIS OWN IMAGE AND IT WILL TAKE HIM MORE TIME. IN 12 MONTHS TIME...WE WILL BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION AS WE WERE 12 MONTHS AGO...WASTED 2 FUCKING YEARS AND MADE HARDLY ANY PROGRESS....and will the idiots learn?...no will they fuck...they will be all outside halfords buying yet anoither fucking tow rope and looking for another fucking tree to hang the next guy....and so it will go on...and on...and on.

That's yer fucking lot...So be it..God is good...yada yada yada.!

Don't disagree mate, but at least Hughes had us playing some nice stuff. We are shit to atch right now and only ever go modertaely beyond shit this season.

[Ted Hughes]

How do you who say sacking him will harm us know?

I'm for keeping him but that's just my opinion. How do you lot know for sure that it's the right thing? How do you know we won't be worse off by this time next year. I certainly fucking don't, I'm just praying it works out.

[Rag_hater]

For the people craving stability do they think that if we had kept Hughes we would now be challenging for the title?He surely would have had enough time if he had been here last year and this and if the stablity people are right then wouldn't we be challenging for the title.I don't think that's true.I feel its likely we would be continuing with players like Rocky,Bridge Jo and maybe Shay in goal and a few others that are not really title winning standard but the kind of players Hughes would like.
For me the fact we changed from Hughes to Mancini has done us no harm at all.In fact we have improved a little in my opinion.
And I think if we get someone who is an upgrade on Bobby we will improve again.
History may have a lesson about changing managers but never before have we been the richest club in the world before and been in the position to buy the best.
We have to change to reach the next level.

[dazby]

Another point to consider is if Bob gets the chop, who comes in? Mourinho and Valdano/Perez have kissed and made up a couple of weeks ago, with them progressing in Europe and closing the gap on Barca, so despite all the sensational headlines the most likely scenario is he will stay there next season. If Hiddink leaves the Russia job, he will probaly become involved in the Chelsea set up somewhere. There is no outstanding manager likely to become available, so would we be any better off for sacking a manager who is achieving the owners targets in order to build another new squad, and have another season of "development"? Wigan play good attacking football and get beat every week. I know what I'd prefer.

HIddink is managing the Turkish national team at the moment. If we were to get him in the first we would hear of it would be for his agent to come out and say " Hiddink is flattered by the interest but is currently tied to the Turkish team."

[sandman]

I can help but think people are far too quick to criticise, we have a bad month and the wankers all come out calling for blood, the fact is all succesful managers have grey spots on their cv (Mourhino, Mercer, Baconface etc..) but the fact that the club sticks by them during their poor months meant they could come out of the other side of this.

City never allow the managers to get past this, a bad run and you're gone. We need to stick with this man and give him the time to create something special.

The problem is, most of us were like this with Hughes, then the owners made their decision, so everyone will compare Mancini's progress against the criteria they used to assess Hughes. Add to this the questions about the style of our play and critical comments will start to the rise to the fore when the results don't follow.

Just for the record, I don't want Mancini sacked but if he is then he will only have himself to blame, as he knew the targets from the start, and the long running complaints about how we play. He still has time to correct the style of play, and time to grow a set of testes.

If the top brass are willing to give Bob the time it takes, then they should say so, publicly, now. Just announce that he'll be staying next season at least. I said the same thing last season & I said that the Jose rumours would come back again this season.

They waited til the absolute last minute before supporting him last season. Either we have a long term plan or we don't. If we have one, then, remind everyone that's the case; say so. If we haven't then there's no fucking point in people complaining about speculation & sticking to our 'plan' if it doesn't exist!! If the bloke is permanently on trial, then all the stuff we're saying on here is reasonable topic for discussion. They could just kill it with one line.

The big difference between Bobby Manc and Hughes for me is that Hughes never had what it takes to make the club successful, he never should have been appointed, he had no track record and has done absolutley nothing above average in his mangerial career before or since.

I am not saying that Mancini is the best person for the job, but he has been successful in his past and so I want to see him have at least another 12 months.

I dont like the style of football and 1-0 wins are no consolation to me, but I am still hoping that this will improve with time as the squad gels and the players become more accomplished in this style.