Edin Dzeko

[Dubciteh]

One thing i dislike about Dzecko(and it was similar to samaras) is that we now have a legion of Dzecko fans(not man city fans) on this forum(as demonstrated in this thread) who will always make excuses for him, balme everyone else(usually manager) and will not take lightly to anything negative about him, this winds me up more than anything...

[Spurge]

One thing i dislike about Dzecko(and it was similar to samaras) is that we now have a legion of Dzecko fans(not man city fans) on this forum(as demonstrated in this thread) who will always make excuses for him, balme everyone else(usually manager) and will not take lightly to anything negative about him, this winds me up more than anything...

What a strange thing to say! What people are saying on here about him should be no reason to take dislike the bloke.

[Slim]

Calling Torres and Caroll failures is a bit far fetched. Like Dzeko, they are just settling in into a new team, although they have the advantage of PL experience. In the end, I think they will produce the goods they were bought for even though we all agree that they were overpriced.
My point about Dzeko and his price tag, is that its not fair that whenever he is mentioned, his price is also mentioned. What City paid for him is not his fault !

Like it or not, fans, journos and most importantly the owners will judge the failure/success of these players based on their pricetag. I don't think it's possible for Torres to live up to his, Carroll has a shot in that he has many many years ahead of him and Dzeko, well he is gonna have to be very good for a long time. I said this was on initial impressions and like it or not, a hefty pricetag comes with expectations. With fast flanking players I can see him succeeding, but right now, and in THIS team, he looks like we have pissed money away on another square peg. (and inspite of the sunday supplement's bullshit, the well is not endless)

[Spurge]

The thing is it's still early days for him but sadly that seems to count for fook all nowadays. So on this basis we need a complete overhaul of the squad including management over the summer - lets rip the team up and take the club 2 huge steps backwards - yep thats the way to do it!

Drogba is all I can say - wasn't exactly an overnight success now was he - but became probably the best striker in the prem and pivotal to Chelseas success. Not saying Dzeko will make the same impact for us, but perhaps we should find out first beforee writing him off?

So many replies, let's start at the top. Did you see where I mentioned it was early days and we wouldn't see the best of him till next season? Or are you just more interested in outlandish comments that have no basis in reality? Reign it in and I will refrain from my usual vernacular, deal?

[quote]

No I didn't see the post you refer to which is why my post wasn't directed at you. I was responding to all those on this thread that were writing him off. I don't come on here often enough nowadays to know what your usual vernacular is and as for reigning it in as my post wasn't directed at you I'm not sure there is a need so by default yes we have a deal I guess.

[BlueinBosnia]

One thing i dislike about Dzecko(and it was similar to samaras) is that we now have a legion of Dzecko fans(not man city fans) on this forum(as demonstrated in this thread) who will always make excuses for him, balme everyone else(usually manager) and will not take lightly to anything negative about him, this winds me up more than anything...

Erm, there are two. And one of them has been following City for at least 4 years.

Also, remember that they have seen Dzeko play in considerably more games than you, and know his capabilities as a goalscorer and overall player. If it was a choice between having Dzeko playing in a system that suited him, or getting rid of him but keeping Mancini, along with his style of play and management, I'd choose the former every day of the week.

[Slim]

One thing i dislike about Dzecko(and it was similar to samaras) is that we now have a legion of Dzecko fans(not man city fans) on this forum(as demonstrated in this thread) who will always make excuses for him, balme everyone else(usually manager) and will not take lightly to anything negative about him, this winds me up more than anything...

Erm, there are two. And one of them has been following City for at least 4 years.

Also, remember that they have seen Dzeko play in considerably more games than you, and know his capabilities as a goalscorer and overall player. If it was a choice between having Dzeko playing in a system that suited him, or getting rid of him but keeping Mancini, along with his style of play and management, I'd choose the former every day of the week.

I would choose the former even under torture, not really much of a choice tbh.

And that's the other thing, Dzeko may have cost £27M but what is the price of putting a team around him that gets the best out of him? I can see another £40+ million being spent to get the right players in to compliment him and turn him into a goalscoring machine.

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

[BlueinBosnia]

And that's the other thing, Dzeko may have cost £27M but what is the price of putting a team around him that gets the best out of him? I can see another £40+ million being spent to get the right players in to compliment him and turn him into a goalscoring machine.

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

On the first point, I think that's something we'll have to deal with from now on, whoever we sign for whichever role: teams are going to want to charge us top-dollar for their players. However, I do think Misimovic could be tempted for 8 mill or so, and would go a way in providing him with opportunities without us being over-reliant on wide play.

I think it's the lack of space that's affecting him, rather than the pace. Wolfsburg were free-flowing and deadly on the counter attack, which is how he seemed to thrive. The ball spent much more time in the opponent's half there, too, meaning a wider variety of attacking options were available through defenders surging upfield. A lot of his goals only required one touch, so his first touch isn't so bad. He turns slowly though, and with the ball being delivered from behind him so much, and the lack of space offered, this is a major, major weakness that can't really be undone without huge alterations to our gameplan.

[Slim]

Well don't think I am alone in thinking we need to revamp the attack, but it would require the dropping of a central midfielder for someone more attacking(silva, tevez), the purchase of at least one winger and probably two or three.

[samiraki]

dzeko is not a crazy all around the pitch running striker. he doesn't run much, and he is not particularly fast, but he can control the ball and wrestle the defenders and shoot with both legs and head. he simply needs a lot of balls. if you go to youtube to check out his goals you'll see the variety of scoring skills he possesses. when he played against Kiev, and when he was forward, there was no lined up defence. they were all on him. show me a striker who can do anything in such a situation. it is sad that city attack did not use that to push forward. they give him so few balls. Silva is running around like a rooster, dribbling himself most of the time and Milner is useless most of the time, mostly provoking the referees.
it was so sad to watch rich City pushed around by Chelsea on Sunday. City was helpless and hopeless. it was so embarrassing.
they bought dzeko and they give him too few balls and he's always trying to pass to his teammates.
They need to use dzeko more, and create the game for him. city don't play as a team. they have to get together around someone.
Give him scoring opportunities and he'll score. They can't have him run on the flanks and and send balls in the box. That's not why he was brought to Man C.

[bigblue]

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

Don't know what you've been watching, but I thought his touch has been quite good so far (and only getting better). Great chest control, holds the ball up well even when surrounded by 3 defenders, and can dribble a few people no problem. Some people on here have the patience of a 5 yr old on blow. It is a 27 million pound investment. Just give him fucking time

[Dameerto]

Not only will he score a lot for us, he is a ticking time-bomb as far as assists go. He plays intelligently so he should fit in well with Silva, when everyone figures out how to play with/to him and once he's fully settled I think we will be very glad we bought him. (As for glimpses of talent, how about the goal he scored from chesting down then volleying the ball? - can't remember which match it was, but it was recent)

[bluej]

Not only will he score a lot for us, he is a ticking time-bomb as far as assists go. He plays intelligently so he should fit in well with Silva, when everyone figures out how to play with/to him and once he's fully settled I think we will be very glad we bought him. (As for glimpses of talent, how about the goal he scored from chesting down then volleying the ball? - can't remember which match it was, but it was recent)

Don't think he scored from it but the one I think you mean was against Kyiv at COMS?

[Dameerto]

That sounds about right.

[CityFanFromRome]

So many people on here claimed Dzeko was a brilliant player before we signed him. How many of you had seen him play? I guess not nearly as many as made out.
He's done nothign to suggest he's worth 27 million yet and until he really puts in a top class performance against a big team, it will remain that way,

He's the type of forward you need to feed though, and he's not had the biggest assistance from his teammates so far, has he? I think he's had the misfortune to arrive in our team when our form started to drop lower and lower.

Or maybe it's not a coincidence....just sayin.

I think you're on the right track there tbf; it's not a coincidence, because we didn't prepare for a setup with two strikers in preseason; we are trying to force him into the side during the season but this has brought us to a situation where we try to fit square pegs in round holes; right now we don't know how to play with two strikers, but we can't drop a 27M purchase, neither can we drop Tevez.

[Slim]

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

Don't know what you've been watching, but I thought his touch has been quite good so far (and only getting better). Great chest control, holds the ball up well even when surrounded by 3 defenders, and can dribble a few people no problem. Some people on here have the patience of a 5 yr old on blow. It is a 27 million pound investment. Just give him fucking time

You need to read the whole thread and stop straw-manning your pathetic pseudo-outrage.

[Avalon]

Defnitely need to alter the tactics a bit. He's more of a target man than a player who out dribbles players with speed and agility. We've seen some great ball control (think about his killer pass against the Greeks). We've also seen some quality composure (think about his chest volley combo against Kyiv). So, instead of worrying whether he produce for us, we need to look at the tactic.

No, this is not a "it is the manager's fault" rant. City is simply used to play with Tevez as a lone striker and this will need to change. Mancini has been experimenting, but it will simply take some time to get used to. However, with Dzeko and Balotelli in the box, we get some needed extra dimensions. They can run into the box and score tap-ins, they have height, they're strong and can hold the ball. So many options. We need to change the system.

We also need to stop Silva from running litterally everywhere. Why is he picking up the ball from the defensive line, only to dribble it forward? Get the ball wide, create some space. All he is doing is bundle up 20 players in the centre of the pitch and then attempt a through ball that often gets intercepted. Getting the ball wide, open up play and have the wingers whip in the ball will give players like Dzeko and Balotelli to perform their magic, or players like Silva and Tevez pounce on the rebound. However, this will need to be pressed into the team.

We also need to work on our free kicks. As I said in another topic, I am getting tired of passing the ball to Silva hoping for some killer pass off him, only to get himself stuck, needing to pass the ball back again. If we have height from players like Dzeko, Kompany, Lescott, Balotelli, Yaya Toure and Barry, why are we not curling the ball into the box? Surely that would be more effective?

I do think we need to play Milner more in the central midfield role though. He is quicker than Barry, has a great pass and good vision and this is his primary position. He can link up between midfield and attack and provide some more attacking prowess, which in turn could help out players like Dzeko and Balotelli.

[bigblue]

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

Don't know what you've been watching, but I thought his touch has been quite good so far (and only getting better). Great chest control, holds the ball up well even when surrounded by 3 defenders, and can dribble a few people no problem. Some people on here have the patience of a 5 yr old on blow. It is a 27 million pound investment. Just give him fucking time

You need to read the whole thread and stop straw-manning your pathetic pseudo-outrage.

My reading is comprehensive and my outrage is genuine.

[Slim]

BiB, does he really have as bad a first touch as we have seen or is it a matter of him being overwhelmed by the pace/lack of space that's causing him to hurry more than he would like?

Don't know what you've been watching, but I thought his touch has been quite good so far (and only getting better). Great chest control, holds the ball up well even when surrounded by 3 defenders, and can dribble a few people no problem. Some people on here have the patience of a 5 yr old on blow. It is a 27 million pound investment. Just give him fucking time

You need to read the whole thread and stop straw-manning your pathetic pseudo-outrage.

My reading is comprehensive and my outrage is genuine.

I weighed up the pros and cons of walking you through the reality of the situation and your errors in judgment and decided it wasn't worth my time. Thanks for trying though.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Dzeko taking the piss out of Mario lol

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[Beefymcfc]

Defnitely need to alter the tactics a bit. He's more of a target man than a player who out dribbles players with speed and agility. We've seen some great ball control (think about his killer pass against the Greeks). We've also seen some quality composure (think about his chest volley combo against Kyiv). So, instead of worrying whether he produce for us, we need to look at the tactic.

No, this is not a "it is the manager's fault" rant. City is simply used to play with Tevez as a lone striker and this will need to change. Mancini has been experimenting, but it will simply take some time to get used to. However, with Dzeko and Balotelli in the box, we get some needed extra dimensions. They can run into the box and score tap-ins, they have height, they're strong and can hold the ball. So many options. We need to change the system.

We also need to stop Silva from running litterally everywhere. Why is he picking up the ball from the defensive line, only to dribble it forward? Get the ball wide, create some space. All he is doing is bundle up 20 players in the centre of the pitch and then attempt a through ball that often gets intercepted. Getting the ball wide, open up play and have the wingers whip in the ball will give players like Dzeko and Balotelli to perform their magic, or players like Silva and Tevez pounce on the rebound. However, this will need to be pressed into the team.

We also need to work on our free kicks. As I said in another topic, I am getting tired of passing the ball to Silva hoping for some killer pass off him, only to get himself stuck, needing to pass the ball back again. If we have height from players like Dzeko, Kompany, Lescott, Balotelli, Yaya Toure and Barry, why are we not curling the ball into the box? Surely that would be more effective?

I do think we need to play Milner more in the central midfield role though. He is quicker than Barry, has a great pass and good vision and this is his primary position. He can link up between midfield and attack and provide some more attacking prowess, which in turn could help out players like Dzeko and Balotelli.

Pity this post was missed, although not a new innovation, probably a decent summary of what many already think.