Is NDJ the most complete DM in the world?

[Rag_hater]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

did you google "complete midfielders" or something? in that list there are a couple better players than Nigel in that list, of which Masch, Yaya, Song and Khedira are not among them.

Look, if i were going to start a side tomorrow and someone told me i had to pick a defensive midfield enforcer with my first pick then Nigel wouldn't be the third pick in that draft. I can't think of two defensive midfielders i'd pick before him. Essien's a good shout, but the risk is that he's always halfway to broken. You wouldn't look foolish if you picked Nigel first. He's fantastic and will only shine even more against top clubs who try and play football. We've seen that for a while now.

cheers

I tend to go by what I see and any stats I can find.
I think if you were to take your blue specs of and consider the players I have mentioned they are better than our Nige at doing "his job" .If you think they are worse that our Nigel then your opinion is different to mine and a few other people who independantly judge these things.
I think some of our fans think if they were upto the standard of a pro player,Nigel,would be the type of player they would be like to be compared with A "hard man".
I think some of our fans don't see Nigel's limitations due to the fact they like his rough way of doing things.
Some of you lot would like to imagine if you were playing you would be "hard men"

[Im_Spartacus]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

did you google "complete midfielders" or something? in that list there are a couple better players than Nigel in that list, of which Masch, Yaya, Song and Khedira are not among them.

Look, if i were going to start a side tomorrow and someone told me i had to pick a defensive midfield enforcer with my first pick then Nigel wouldn't be the third pick in that draft. I can't think of two defensive midfielders i'd pick before him. Essien's a good shout, but the risk is that he's always halfway to broken. You wouldn't look foolish if you picked Nigel first. He's fantastic and will only shine even more against top clubs who try and play football. We've seen that for a while now.

cheers

I tend to go by what I see and any stats I can find.
I think if you were to take your blue specs of and consider the players I have mentioned they are better than our Nige at doing "his job" .If you think they are worse that our Nigel then your opinion is different to mine and a few other people who independantly judge these things.
I think some of our fans think if they were upto the standard of a pro player,Nigel,would be the type of player they would be like to be compared with A "hard man".
I think some of our fans don't see Nigel's limitations due to the fact they like his rough way of doing things.
Some of you lot would like to imagine if you were playing you would be "hard men"

He is extremely limited, but seems to be coming on with the distribution side of the game. Interesting to see for me that the scousers, who I would say will not have blue tinted glasses on could only come up with Busquets who could do a better job, and that when it was suggested De Jong was better than Mascherano, nobody disagreed.

He is not perfect, but if we find the right man to complement him (Yaya in my opinion is that person), then we would have a great combination in our midfield. I find that for you to suggest Barry is a better player is an insult to our intelligence

[Dameerto]

There's still a lot more to come from Nige.

[Tru_Blu]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

did you google "complete midfielders" or something? in that list there are a couple better players than Nigel in that list, of which Masch, Yaya, Song and Khedira are not among them.

Look, if i were going to start a side tomorrow and someone told me i had to pick a defensive midfield enforcer with my first pick then Nigel wouldn't be the third pick in that draft. I can't think of two defensive midfielders i'd pick before him. Essien's a good shout, but the risk is that he's always halfway to broken. You wouldn't look foolish if you picked Nigel first. He's fantastic and will only shine even more against top clubs who try and play football. We've seen that for a while now.

cheers

I tend to go by what I see and any stats I can find.
I think if you were to take your blue specs of and consider the players I have mentioned they are better than our Nige at doing "his job" .If you think they are worse that our Nigel then your opinion is different to mine and a few other people who independantly judge these things.
I think some of our fans think if they were upto the standard of a pro player,Nigel,would be the type of player they would be like to be compared with A "hard man".
I think some of our fans don't see Nigel's limitations due to the fact they like his rough way of doing things.
Some of you lot would like to imagine if you were playing you would be "hard men"

He is extremely limited, but seems to be coming on with the distribution side of the game. Interesting to see for me that the scousers, who I would say will not have blue tinted glasses on could only come up with Busquets who could do a better job, and that when it was suggested De Jong was better than Mascherano, nobody disagreed.

He is not perfect, but if we find the right man to complement him (Yaya in my opinion is that person), then we would have a great combination in our midfield. I find that for you to suggest Barry is a better player is an insult to our intelligence

I agree with you here. The distribution part of his game is what he has been lacking. He is certainly reading the game better but this too needs improvement, but his composer on the ball and obviously his tenacity and tackling ability is right up there with the cream of the crop. Having Yaya and Vierra to rub shoulders with in training most definitely will help improve the parts he is lacking. But I would have to say Essien is my favorite in DM at the moment.

[Rag_hater]

I don't think Chelsea would do a swap with us if we offered them Nigel for Essien or Mikel,
I don't think Real would swap either Xabi or Diarra for him,
I don't think Barça would want him in place of Busquets or Mascherano
and I think Arse would be unlikely to want him in place for Song or Wilshire.
Both Barry and Nigel run at the same pace and there is little else to separate them.Yaya is quite a bit ahead in all but tackling than both of them IMO.
Barry and Nige commit and have commited against them on average the same number of fouls.
Nigel's fouls do seem to be a bit more violent to me.
This is backed up by the number of yellow cards Nige has.
Barry passes a bit more forward and his positioning is spot on
For me Barry is the better player.

[Im_Spartacus]

I don't think Chelsea would do a swap with us if we offered them Nigel for Essien or Mikel,
I don't think Real would swap either Xabi or Diarra for him,
I don't think Barça would want him in place of Busquets or Mascherano
and I think Arse would be unlikely to want him in place for Song or Wilshire.
Both Barry and Nigel run at the same pace and there is little else to separate them.Yaya is quite a bit ahead in all but tackling than both of them IMO.
Barry and Nige commit and have commited against them on average the same number of fouls.
Nigel's fouls do seem to be a bit more violent to me.
This is backed up by the number of yellow cards Nige has.
Barry passes a bit more forward and his positioning is spot on
For me Barry is the better player.

City wouldnt swap nige for xabi or diarra
City wouldnt swap nige for mascherano
City wouldnt swap nige for Song - Wilshire is a totally different type of player, who would be perfect alongside nige

Seeing as you are into your stats, can you tell us the tackle count? Fouls to yellow cards is a shite stat to hang your hat on if Barry only makes 3 fouls vs De Jong's 3 fouls if nige makes twice as many tackles.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think his passing has improved immeasurably. He looks like a player who has drawn confidence from playing in a World Cup Final and has taken belief from it. He gives the ball away far less than he did. When he is on the ball now he has the effect of "It's ok Nige has got it" for me.
His passing is not that weak anymore.

[mr_nool]

I think his passing has improved immeasurably. He looks like a player who has drawn confidence from playing in a World Cup Final and has taken belief from it. He gives the ball away far less than he did. When he is on the ball now he has the effect of "It's ok Nige has got it" for me.
His passing is not that weak anymore.

I totally agree on that. OK, he plays it safe most of the time, but that's in line with his role. Silva is the creator, de Jong the destroyer.
But he still picks out great passes and open the play every now and then when he sees the chance. The pass to Tevez to set up Silva's goal against Sunderland is just one example.

[Rag_hater]

I don't think Chelsea would do a swap with us if we offered them Nigel for Essien or Mikel,
I don't think Real would swap either Xabi or Diarra for him,
I don't think Barça would want him in place of Busquets or Mascherano
and I think Arse would be unlikely to want him in place for Song or Wilshire.
Both Barry and Nigel run at the same pace and there is little else to separate them.Yaya is quite a bit ahead in all but tackling than both of them IMO.
Barry and Nige commit and have commited against them on average the same number of fouls.
Nigel's fouls do seem to be a bit more violent to me.
This is backed up by the number of yellow cards Nige has.
Barry passes a bit more forward and his positioning is spot on
For me Barry is the better player.

City wouldnt swap nige for xabi or diarra
City wouldnt swap nige for mascherano
City wouldnt swap nige for Song - Wilshire is a totally different type of player, who would be perfect alongside nige

Seeing as you are into your stats, can you tell us the tackle count? Fouls to yellow cards is a shite stat to hang your hat on if Barry only makes 3 fouls vs De Jong's 3 fouls if nige makes twice as many tackles.

Tackles?
There is a stat on the OS and the Guardian that tell the number;
e.g.
Us v Dippers
Barry 6/8
NDJ 2/2
Yaya 3/6
Us v Chelsea
NDJ 4/4,
Yaya 4/9,
Barry 9/10:
Us v WBA;
Yaya 7/13,
Barry 3/4
NDJ 3/3
I couldn't be arsed finding anymore but wanted to highlight the gist.I am sure you can find a few games thet Nige has done better but I think on average there will not be much between them.All this stuff about him being a destroyer is nonsense.He is a leg braking "hard man"
His football playing ability is not all that compared to the others but it is getting better.

[bigblue]

I don't think Chelsea would do a swap with us if we offered them Nigel for Essien or Mikel,
I don't think Real would swap either Xabi or Diarra for him,
I don't think Barça would want him in place of Busquets or Mascherano
and I think Arse would be unlikely to want him in place for Song or Wilshire.
Both Barry and Nigel run at the same pace and there is little else to separate them.Yaya is quite a bit ahead in all but tackling than both of them IMO.
Barry and Nige commit and have commited against them on average the same number of fouls.
Nigel's fouls do seem to be a bit more violent to me.
This is backed up by the number of yellow cards Nige has.
Barry passes a bit more forward and his positioning is spot on
For me Barry is the better player.

City wouldnt swap nige for xabi or diarra
City wouldnt swap nige for mascherano
City wouldnt swap nige for Song - Wilshire is a totally different type of player, who would be perfect alongside nige

Seeing as you are into your stats, can you tell us the tackle count? Fouls to yellow cards is a shite stat to hang your hat on if Barry only makes 3 fouls vs De Jong's 3 fouls if nige makes twice as many tackles.

Tackles?
There is a stat on the OS and the Guardian that tell the number;
e.g.
Us v Dippers
Barry 6/8
NDJ 2/2
Yaya 3/6
Us v Chelsea
NDJ 4/4,
Yaya 4/9,
Barry 9/10:
Us v WBA;
Yaya 7/13,
Barry 3/4
NDJ 3/3
I couldn't be arsed finding anymore but wanted to highlight the gist.I am sure you can find a few games thet Nige has done better but I think on average there will not be much between them.All this stuff about him being a destroyer is nonsense.He is a leg braking "hard man"
His football playing ability is not all that compared to the others but it is getting better.

I'm either calling BS on those stats, or if true, they're worthless.

Other teams look to play around Nigel and I've never seen anyone with a better (more accurate) slide tackle. He seems to be able to make an extra yard out of no where by saying "go go gadget legs", and taking the ball away. He can mark world class players out of a game, then keep possession to build our next attack. We are a different team without him and I wouldn't trade him for anyone.

Also seems to be one of the nicest and most respected players on the field every time he plays.

[Original Dub]

He's one of the best and getting better.

I would have said Yaya was a couple of years ago...

[Buffalo Soldier]

This time last season I thought De Jong was only any use in the games against the top sides where we would be sitting back looking for a 0-0 or 1-0 on the break.

This season he would be the first name on my team sheet every week regardless of opposition.

While he still doesn't pick out defence splitting passes, and never will, he doesn't slow the play as much as he used to and quite often turns to find a midfielder ahead of him or out wide to pass it to rather than looking backwards all the time and as such the play is not slowed down like it used to be after he received the ball.

He's become so good at his job that he now only needs one player alongside him in the middle and we still wouldn't be overrun as we saw against Sunderland. My midfield two would be De Jong with Yaya or Milner with Barry acting as cover for any of those three.

In terms of solely being a defensive midfielder, I wouldn't swap him for anyone, he is basically the Dutch Claude Makelele. Remember Makelele was given a penalty towards the end of his time at Chelsea as everyone was desperate for him to score, would like to see Nige given one if we are comfortably ahead or involved in a meaningless game, the place would erupt. Failing that a 30 yard screamer against Un*ted wouldn't go amiss.

[Wonderwall]

some cracking stats on this site

http://www.statbunker.com/football/btb/ ... e=bookings

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

Nah

[Wonderwall]

Amazing discipline from NDJ as he is probably most prone to picking up bookings due to the nature of his role which is to win the ball back. He has NEVER been sent off.

[Dameerto]

interesting how almost all of his league yellows have been away from home too.

[Rag_hater]

The English Premier League has gained a reputation as a tough league; hard tackles are looked at as good soccer.
Instead of promoting more skill, we’re witnessing bigger and stronger player’s – especially defenders – come into these league with bricks for feet. Their purpose and intention is simple: tackle and tackle hard…the harder the better. Two footed tackles and reckless tackles need to receive the treatment of a serious offense.

The fact that people don't want to take on board things that have been observed by people who judge things that are seen without any agenda.
If independant observations are not to be belived in favour of preference for roughness then violence wins the day.

[Original Dub]

I love hard tackling and always will.

The physicality is what makes the premier league the most exciting to watch in world football.

[Wonderwall]

I think people who dont rate it and say its not a skill have obviously never played against great tacklers, every good team has at least one

[carl_feedthegoat]

Amazing discipline from NDJ as he is probably most prone to picking up bookings due to the nature of his role which is to win the ball back. He has NEVER been sent off.

Cant be true..hes the dirtiest player in his position according to the Degenerate crack head.